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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by eledoremassis02 » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:32 pm

I want these manga now :D It looks cool!

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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by Z-Dragon » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:44 pm

Yeah, I think it would be interesting if the eyes should change to red when they're angry/rage, and the eyes change to green when they're calm as well instead of keeping the green eyes for SSJ forms only except SSJ4. That's why SSJ2 Gohan's eyes should be red due to hatred and rage towards Cell which makes him more menacing and awesome.

White-haired SSJ Goku with red eyes in Metalwario64's last photo looks cool, he looks more like the version of Dark SSJ Goku which is better than Dark SSJ Goku with red hair IMO.

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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:53 pm

Steven Perry wrote:I agree the Saiyans are a villianous race, and the transformation was brought on by anger, but IIRC, Goku isn't raging after the transforation- but calmer and seemingly in an 'enlightened' state, which green eyes do a better job of reflecting. Seriously, how can you guys prefer the red? For an evil SSJ maybe, now that would be a better opportunity to use it.
A evil ssj? No offense but having differ color eyes m base on pureness is a bad idea. I should add that Goku was indeed raging after he went SSJ. He yelled at Gohan, played with Freeza's emotions, and even became more Saiyan like.
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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by rereboy » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:56 pm

Steven Perry wrote:I agree the Saiyans are a villianous race, and the transformation was brought on by anger, but IIRC, Goku isn't raging after the transforation- but calmer and seemingly in an 'enlightened' state, which green eyes do a better job of reflecting. Seriously, how can you guys prefer the red? For an evil SSJ maybe, now that would be a better opportunity to use it.
Because it looks more badass. And SSJ is supposed to be a badass transformation.

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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by Godo » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:02 am

How can anyone believe that Goku isn't raging after the transformation? He is like screaming once every page (well not really that often). With his rage bursts, I wouldn't call him composed.

I agree with red eyes looking more badass, although it would not seem fitting with Goku looking evil (even so, he does in most SSJ transformations).
But I agree too with SSJ having red eyes until it is mastered. It looks more badass that way.

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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by Cold Skin » Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:30 am

I think showing a more "raging" appearance is only a secondary objective in the new form.
Showing a whole new form that precisely takes the characters' traits to their opposites seems to be the primary objective (for the first appearance, since other characters would not necessarily follow those characteristics):
- Goku's hair change from horizontal to vertical.
- Goku's hair change from the darkest possible (completely black) to the lightest possible in realisitic colors (blond).
- Goku's eyes change from the darkest possible (completely black) to the lightest possible in realistic colors (green or blue).
- Goku's peaceful and quiet behavior gives way to a more raging and screaming behavior.

The objective is to turn the character around completely (to the point where Gohan is in shock cause he doesn't recognize his father anymore).
So it was just about reverting the character's usual traits and temper to their complete opposite.

Green or blue eyes contrast sharply with black eyes, while red eyes wouldn't take away the usual dark traits of the Saiyans' base form.
The Saiyans' base form is to be dark while the Super Saiyan forms is to look "lightful" in contrast with the original dark traits, with even more light being shown as they get to stronger forms (adding lightnings - you hardly get any closer to pure light than lightnings - and even longer, more overwhelming bright golden hair).

And looking at those pictures, I think red eyes do make Super Saiyans look evil. Freezer, Cell and Boo are the ones with red eyes. You need bright eyes to confront them, not to convey the message "the more I'm like you, evil raging destroyer of the universe, the more awesome I am!"
Even in the Freezer fight, the Super Saiyan did say and show that it was all based on being pure of heart and acting as such despite all that Freezer had done and despite the initially more "threat-looking" behavior of the Super Saiyan.

The Super Saiyan God works well with red eyes since he has peaceful traits to go with it, but a Super Saiyan looks way too evil for my taste, with a psychopath "destroy, destroy, destroy" Broly feel being conveyed. Look at that Super Saiyan 3 Goku picture and you could swear he's trying to destroy innocent lives and enjoys it very much.

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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:34 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:I don't know how I feel about the red eyes....
Howcome
The red eyes aren't bad, but I like the green eyes because red eyes would draw even more similarities between Super Sonic and Super Saiyajin.
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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:03 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:I don't know how I feel about the red eyes....
Howcome
The red eyes aren't bad, but I like the green eyes because red eyes would draw even more similarities between Super Sonic and Super Saiyajin.
But SSJ came before Super Sonic. So...you should based your opinion as if Super Sonic did not exist or you haven't seen it.

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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by Godo » Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:08 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:I don't know how I feel about the red eyes....
Howcome
The red eyes aren't bad, but I like the green eyes because red eyes would draw even more similarities between Super Sonic and Super Saiyajin.
If you think about it, if Super Saiya-jin would have had red eyes from the very start, then Super Sonic would have had another color of his eyes.
Otherwise it would have been plain plagiarizing.

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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:18 pm

Speaking of Red in SSJ

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Also here's the Cooler Revenge trailer that the earlier post was talking about. I don't see Red eyes though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDSykzB4tg

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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:50 am

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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by Unicorn_Bazooka » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:36 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Even after attaining Super Saiyan God, Trunks still could not persuade himself to keep using Grade 3.
He apparently didn't lke the thinning body structure and decided to make his hands ridiculously small compared to his arms.

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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by Unicorn_Bazooka » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:41 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Also here's the Cooler Revenge trailer that the earlier post was talking about. I don't see Red eyes though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDSykzB4tg
That's not the trailer I was talking about. I think it was around Frieza Saga before the SSJ form was introduced, so somewhere in 1991.
Someone did post a picture of the red eyes somewhere on Kanzenshuu, but I can't really find it.

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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by Kaboom » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:36 pm

I really, REALLY like Super Saiyan with red eyes. It connects it a little more to the Saiyan's other transformations, namely Oozaru and nowadays also Super Saiyan God. I really wish they'd kept it that way. So much so that I'm fiddling around with giving Super Saiyan 4 red eyes for GT Revised, if anyone cares.
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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by rereboy » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:40 pm

Kaboom wrote:So much so that I'm fiddling around with giving Super Saiyan 4 red eyes for GT Revised, if anyone cares.
Yes. :thumbup:

It fits perfectly because of this:

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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by Marco Polo » Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:00 pm

Metalwario64 wrote: Image
Goku looks god-like here :o

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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by InfernalVegito » Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:12 pm

It makes him look much more fierce to me. It's as if he's burning inside with rage and anger to the point where his eyes turn red.

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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by Kakarot88 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:32 pm

The red eyes look blood lusted I'd have liked to have seen that for a bit and then as Goku cooled off or mastered the form they went blue.

I also wish there had been pupils in all the SS forms like SS 3 and then no pupil in SS3
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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by Chuquita » Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:43 pm

Marco Polo wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote: Image
Goku looks god-like here :o
That does look really cool.

I never really was much of a fan of the teal eyes for ssj (it's why I went with gold irises/pupils for my original "what will the new ssjg form look like?" drawing); the red irises and pupils definitely looks more fitting than teal for ssj.
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Re: Red eyes Super Saiyan

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:45 pm

Alright well, lets see some red eyed SSJ4 images.
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