Dragon Ball Kai: the true remake is possible to happen?

[Flame Dragon]

I really despise the animation we saw in Goku and his Friends Return, Battle of Gods, Eradicate the Saiya-Jinn Remake, Episode of Bardock, and even the reanimated scenes of Kai.

If they were to refilm the entire series, the animation should come from movies 1-12, because that's when DBZ looked fully proportionately and professionally done.

This. This.
I just hate the new animation style, it's too bright, the characters outlines are too marked and it looks like all characters are just... drawings on top of a shiny background.



Not to mention battle damage looks much worse and less realistic.
It gets even worse on far away shots since everybody looks like a blob of goo.
I can't even explain why i find the new animation style... off... and ugly looking.

If i had to make a comparison...
Old Style: Looks pretty colorful but can also be gritty when needed.
New Style: Looks like it was drew on MS Paint.

[Ajay]

Man, I really like the new style.

It certainly has a few too many highlights for my tastes but I think it does the series justice.

Regarding blood and damage, I'd have to imagine that's due to tighter censorship laws nowadays.

[Son Kai]

I just said I wanted a remake of Dragon Ball Kai in Episode of Bardock traits, Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans and Battle of Gods
I just wondered if you guys think there is at least a 1% chance of this happening

[JulieYBM]

The Episode of Bardock screen shot looks bad because it's drawn by a bad animator on a tight schedule. Not everything is about 'style' (which is an entirely unspecific way to describe what the problem is).

[Ajay]

The newer style, when done right, isn't massively different from many parts of Z.



No excessively shiny characters or crazy colours. Only thing I would complain about would be the single stroke thickness for everything. I quite liked the digital noise/grain they added to Battle of Gods as well.

You can kinda see it in his hair if your monitor isn't too dark:

[Quebaz]

@ Ajay
To me, the Jump Special doesn't have the same problems as the other ovas and BoG. If anything, It's the most beautiful Dragon Ball has ever been anime-wise (except maybe movie Z 12-13 and DB 4).

[Flame Dragon]

Meh i guess i'm just a sucker for the old style... althrough i don't hate new stuff... for example FMA: Brotherhood is gorgeous!

[TheGmGoken]

I just said I wanted a remake of Dragon Ball Kai in Episode of Bardock traits, Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans and Battle of Gods
I just wondered if you guys think there is at least a 1% chance of this happening

Nope. Because Toei is to lazy and don't want to spend money on a series that everyone knows the plot of. Not like HunterxHunter where the manga continued(Still on-going). Db ended. So no need for a new anime.

@ Ajay
To me, the Jump Special doesn't have the same problems as the other ovas and BoG. If anything, It's the most beautiful Dragon Ball has ever been anime-wise (except maybe movie Z 12-13 and DB 4).

I hate how they did SSJ Hair in the Jump Special to be honest.

[kei17]

The Episode of Bardock screen shot looks bad because it's drawn by a bad animator on a tight schedule. Not everything is about 'style' (which is an entirely unspecific way to describe what the problem is).

That's a stretch. Most of the flaws I see in that shot are also present in Yamamuro's own style.

The newer style, when done right, isn't massively different from many parts of Z.

I hate those lifeless eyes. They look like a simple texture on a 3D model.

Lifelessness. It's the very problem here. Every character just looks like a soft vinyl figure because every body part is always drawn the same in any postures and you can't feel muscle fibers shrinking and stretching inside it. In older styles, you could feel that characters are covered with skin tissues and there are muscles, bones, and guts inside their bodies, but when it comes to Yamamuro's current style, they look like their bodies are fully filled with skin colored plastic inside them. It's not because of digital animation. His drawings just suck.

[Metalwario64]

It's not because of digital animation. His drawings just suck.

I agree, and it's a shame because his stuff in Z was fantastic.

It's definitely not a digital issue, because lots of Kai tracings looked decent (my biggest issue is that they clash with the original footage), and I think I'd take Kai "reanimated" in that fashion than done in Yamamuro's current style. I hate how "bubbly" and rounded everything looks, which is ironic since I loved the round style of Dragon Ball. The difference being that the rounded style of old was much sleeker, whereas the new style is just lifeless.

[Basaku]

I just said I wanted a remake of Dragon Ball Kai in Episode of Bardock traits, Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans and Battle of Gods
I just wondered if you guys think there is at least a 1% chance of this happening

Nope. Because Toei is to lazy and don't want to spend money on a series that everyone knows the plot of. Not like HunterxHunter where the manga continued(Still on-going). Db ended. So no need for a new anime.

Yet they're making new Sailor Moon anime. And they've just made new Dragon Ball full theatrical movie. They're clearly exploring many different possibilities of getting as much $$$ of their 2 biggest international hits as possible. If the new Sailor Moon anime is a hit, it increases the chance for new DB regular show as well.

[TheGmGoken]

I just said I wanted a remake of Dragon Ball Kai in Episode of Bardock traits, Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans and Battle of Gods
I just wondered if you guys think there is at least a 1% chance of this happening

Nope. Because Toei is to lazy and don't want to spend money on a series that everyone knows the plot of. Not like HunterxHunter where the manga continued(Still on-going). Db ended. So no need for a new anime.

Yet they're making new Sailor Moon anime. And they've just made new Dragon Ball full theatrical movie. They're clearly exploring many different possibilities of getting as much $$$ of their 2 biggest international hits as possible. If the new Sailor Moon anime is a hit, it increases the chance for new DB regular show as well.

A new DB show. Not a remake. There's a difference. I doubt Toei would ever fully remake DBZ.

[Basaku]

A new DB show. Not a remake. There's a difference. I doubt Toei would ever fully remake DBZ.

Not DBZ. New GT? I can easily see it. Even new DB1. And the new Sailor Moon ain't brand-new continuation, it's a remake, season 1 already confirmed to have the same general story as first manga arc and anime season 1

[TheGmGoken]

A new DB show. Not a remake. There's a difference. I doubt Toei would ever fully remake DBZ.

Not DBZ. New GT? I can easily see it. Even new DB1. And the new Sailor Moon ain't brand-new continuation, it's a remake, season 1 already confirmed to have the same general story as first manga arc and anime season 1

I'm well aware of SM new anime. You was talking bout DBZ though .

[dbboxkaifan]

Dragon Ball Kai itself is one huge mess and people are hoping that Toei Animation fixes it? Hum, just look at the Majin Boo arc of Kai.

Originally DBK had a ton of potential but after being revealed it was obvious that it just didn't hold a candle to anyone's expectations, that being, new animation from start to finish, consistent soundtrack or keeping the picture quality balanced through all three arcs.

There's two things I hate about Dragon Ball Kai's Majin Boo arc, 1) the green tint and 2) bland soundtrack. They're both fixable except Toei Animation won't do a thing about it.

[Basaku]

A new DB show. Not a remake. There's a difference. I doubt Toei would ever fully remake DBZ.

Not DBZ. New GT? I can easily see it. Even new DB1. And the new Sailor Moon ain't brand-new continuation, it's a remake, season 1 already confirmed to have the same general story as first manga arc and anime season 1

I'm well aware of SM new anime. You was talking bout DBZ though .

My point was that no matter how unlikely, it is still a possibility, even with Z and it doesn't really matter whether the audience is already well familiar with the story. Look at Batman, we've been rewatching the same-old 'Batman lost his parents' tired story how many times now for how many decades lol? People still buy it

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Once again I am at a loss in telling if people are talking about digital animation or specific bad shots(which fully exist in the cel-animated TV series).

A lot of individuals seem to confuse the issue they have with modern Dragon Ball animation. You are right, the digital mastering has nothing to do with it. The problem is with the character designs and the animation supervisor's resistance to allowing deviation from them. I wonder if in that respect Nakatsuru and Maeda rubbed off on Yamamuro. Battle of Gods had Shida Naotoshi's most recent masterpiece, so it's not like it was all that bad. Well, barring Hosoda's otherwise unimpressive directing and the multiple bad animators who worked on the film. And the CG. ~_~

Sorry for asking a silly question, but how did Maeda and Nakatsuru rub off on Yamamuro?

[JEFFMAN219]

Dragon Ball Kai itself is one huge mess and people are hoping that Toei Animation fixes it? Hum, just look at the Majin Boo arc of Kai.

Originally DBK had a ton of potential but after being revealed it was obvious that it just didn't hold a candle to anyone's expectations, that being, new animation from start to finish, consistent soundtrack or keeping the picture quality balanced through all three arcs.

There's two things I hate about Dragon Ball Kai's Majin Boo arc, 1) the green tint and 2) bland soundtrack. They're both fixable except Toei Animation won't do a thing about it.

Lool man you really hate DBZ Kai do you?

[JulieYBM]

Sorry for asking a silly question, but how did Maeda and Nakatsuru rub off on Yamamuro?

In rubbing out animator quirks or asking animators to animate a certain way. Maeda and Nakatsuru episodes might have been very on-model, but they lacked sharp timing. I think the last time Yamamuro didn't correct an animator's drawings into oblivion was the few cuts Tate Naoki provided for the 2008 special. Of course, Tate received a credit as an Assistant Animation Supervisor, so perhaps that is why some of Tate' loose drawings survived. When Shida worked under Yokoyama Kenji for One Piece Episode #590 his drawings had a bit more wild a flavor. That close-up cut of Super Saiyan 3 Son Gokuu looked very untamed. Shida's drawings for the end of this One Piece episode look uncorrected, too (and thus more detailed than Hisada Kazuya's character designs).

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Sorry for asking a silly question, but how did Maeda and Nakatsuru rub off on Yamamuro?

In rubbing out animator quirks or asking animators to animate a certain way. Maeda and Nakatsuru episodes might have been very on-model, but they lacked sharp timing. I think the last time Yamamuro didn't correct an animator's drawings into oblivion was the few cuts Tate Naoki provided for the 2008 special. Of course, Tate received a credit as an Assistant Animation Supervisor, so perhaps that is why some of Tate' loose drawings survived. When Shida worked under Yokoyama Kenji for One Piece Episode #590 his drawings had a bit more wild a flavor. That close-up cut of Super Saiyan 3 Son Gokuu looked very untamed. Shida's drawings for the end of this One Piece episode look uncorrected, too (and thus more detailed than Hisada Kazuya's character designs).

So, the problem with Yamamuro lies in not correcting an animator's cuts? Is that what you're saying? The reason why the Yamamuro episodes in Z and GT looked superb was because of his ability to correct the animation?