Would you be more forgiving towards the dub if....

[ABED]

I would've been more forgiving of the 99 dub if the dialog was more accurate ceteris paribus.

Roshi's dialogue for the Red Ribbon Army flashback during the Android arc could've been muted entirely

I don't think it needed to be muted, it just needed to be accurate. Most people hadn't seen Dragon Ball, so a good VO would've covered the history of those adventures, but gotten it right.

[samuraix123]

Well...the old dub certainly is unbearable if you don't have some level of attachment to it, like I do, so it is kinda 'that bad'. But I would agree that old live-action dubs (and most live-action dubs in general, really) are far more unbearable. It's part of the reason I still haven't watched any of the Bruce Lee movies I have in this one box, because it turns out all it has is the overdubs. Urgh.

Not to derail the topic but what box set do you have? Because I have this one and if I'm not mistaken Bruce did the dubbing for some of the movies in it? I could be mistaken though.

Even though I don't watch ''The game of death'' that's on this release, I watched his original like 40 some minutes version and I believe that he dubbed it in English...I think. it's been a while since I watched them haha

[dbboxkaifan]

Comparing FUNimation's Z dub to the Portuguese, Spanish, French or etc that used AB Groupe's script is not that horrible but it's still quite bad.

I've read people here saying Chichi means boobs in Spanish but I don't remember that term applying in Spain so it might be a Latin Spanish thing.

[samuraix123]

Comparing FUNimation's Z dub to the Portuguese, Spanish, French or etc that used AB Groupe's script is not that horrible but it's still quite bad.

I've read people here saying Chichi means boobs in Spanish but I don't remember that term applying in Spain so it might be a Latin Spanish thing.

I will agree with this! Everyone says how bad the old dub was yet nobody stops and thinks ''What if we had gotten the big green dub instead?''

[ABED]

I've read people here saying Chichi means boobs in Spanish but I don't remember that term applying in Spain so it might be a Latin Spanish thing.

From what my middle school Spanish teacher said, the answer is yes.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Not to derail the topic but what box set do you have? Because I have this one and if I'm not mistaken Bruce did the dubbing for some of the movies in it? I could be mistaken though.

Yeah, that's the box I have. As far as I can remember from the last time I popped them in, all of the movies on it only have the overdubs. Bruce could have done the English overdub for a few of them, I'm not sure, but I somehow doubt it somehow. Especially not on Game of Death in particular, since the movie itself wasn't even completed before he died, sadly.

But yeah, in general, live-action dubs tend to pale in comparison to even the worst anime dub, from my experience. I can scarcely survive any of the Godzilla dubs anymore. The Death Note live-action movie dubs were pretty good though, but that's mostly because of the fact that they used the anime cast.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Would I be more forgiving? Sure. Any improvement is an improvement. But would I be forgiving, period? Probably not. If they're only taking out a few of the out-of-character things, that would be--in my opinion, anyway--like going from a "C-" to a "C."

As it is, I already do that. I do judge the DBZ dub less harshly for certain "after-the-fact" changes that it has made. For example, in my mind, the complaints about the changed musical score are no longer relevant now that it is possible to watch the dub on home video with Kikuchi's original music. At first it was relevant because one didn't have a choice of which musical score they wanted if they wanted to watch the dub, but now that we do have that choice, you only have to listen to Faulconer's music if you choose to. So, since it's no longer being forced upon us, I don't consider it a factor when judging the dub. Sure, it took FUNimation a while to put that option in there, but I'm of the "better late than never" mentality.

[ABED]

I'm ambivalent about the Kikuchi's score with the old dub. On one hand I don't have to listen to a bad score, but on the other hand, the great music clashes with the terrible dub, both in terms of dialog and quality of recording. At least Faulconer's score went with the dub pretty well.

[samuraix123]

Not to derail the topic but what box set do you have? Because I have this one and if I'm not mistaken Bruce did the dubbing for some of the movies in it? I could be mistaken though.

Yeah, that's the box I have. As far as I can remember from the last time I popped them in, all of the movies on it only have the overdubs. Bruce could have done the English overdub for a few of them, I'm not sure, but I somehow doubt it somehow. Especially not on Game of Death in particular, since the movie itself wasn't even completed before he died, sadly.

But yeah, in general, live-action dubs tend to pale in comparison to even the worst anime dub, from my experience. I can scarcely survive any of the Godzilla dubs anymore. The Death Note live-action movie dubs were pretty good though, but that's mostly because of the fact that they used the anime cast.

I'm just going to PM you that way we don't derail the thread.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I'm ambivalent about the Kikuchi's score with the old dub. On one hand I don't have to listen to a bad score, but on the other hand, the great music clashes with the terrible dub, both in terms of dialog and quality of recording. At least Faulconer's score went with the dub pretty well.

Yeah, I've heard that opinion a lot. I disagree with it, but I can see why people would think that, especially during "Season 3," when FUNimation was (if their work is anything to go by) the least concerned they've ever been with faithfully adapting the original show into English. I'm not so sure I agree with the "it was like a different show" sentimentality that I've seen thrown around, but again, I can understand it...and I can see how some people might think that mixing the Kikuchi music with the dub is like taking music from another production and trying to make it work with a new one.

....Which is pretty much what Yamamoto did, but I digress.

[UltimateHammerBro]

I've read people here saying Chichi means boobs in Spanish but I don't remember that term applying in Spain so it might be a Latin Spanish thing.

From what my middle school Spanish teacher said, the answer is yes.

As far as I'm concerned, it's just in Latin America. Chichi is slang for "vagina" in Spain, instead of boobs. That's why the pronunciation is different in the anime.

[Duo]

Casting and music choices (for the broadcast version I saw years ago) would still weigh it down massively. Maybe I'd feel different if it had at least still been Ian Corlett as Goku, Scott McNeil as Piccolo, etc. That selection did a lot to make up for other glaring flaws.

Besides, they'd pretty much just have to re-dub the entire show. It's wickedly far off from the original pretty much all of the time.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I think the old dub gets too much hate, Sailormoon and Tokyo Mew Mew's dub were far worse.
DBZ's dub at its worst was during the Freeza and Namek arc though the Cell Sagas dub had a script fairly faithful in the original context despite it not being word for word. It wasnt as abstract as the Freeza saga where they werent trying to translate it at all. The only real tragety the old dub I felt was consistantly a problem was Freeza's unremastered voice, his inconsistant dialogue, and basically all of Vegeta's terrible lines from the Freeza saga to Buu.

[penguintruth]

Sailor Moon's English dub was mostly worse in the sense that they couldn't get a completely uncut dub, if I recall (stuff was always missing).

It was worse, but far worse? I don't think so. The accuracy and voice acting wasn't that much worse than DBZ's. And at least they tried with the songs.

[WittyUsername]

The Z dub did improve as time went on and I honestly think that the only point where it was truly terrible was during season 3 through the Garlic Jr saga. The Kai dub is still the much better dub overall, but I wouldn't say that the Z dub is godawful.

[ABED]

The Z dub did improve as time went on and I honestly think that the only point where it was truly terrible was during season 3 through the Garlic Jr saga. The Kai dub is still the much better dub overall, but I wouldn't say that the Z dub is godawful.

The dub was pretty bad in season 1 and 2. I would say it didn't get better until half way through.

[WittyUsername]

The Z dub did improve as time went on and I honestly think that the only point where it was truly terrible was during season 3 through the Garlic Jr saga. The Kai dub is still the much better dub overall, but I wouldn't say that the Z dub is godawful.

The dub was pretty bad in season 1 and 2. I would say it didn't get better until half way through.

Are you referring to the edited dub with the Ocean voice cast or the re-dub with the Funimation cast? Because if it's the latter then I would disagree.

[Kid Buu]

I think the old dub gets too much hate, Sailormoon and Tokyo Mew Mew's dub were far worse..

At least DBZ dub didnt have incestuous cousins lol.

[ABED]

The Z dub did improve as time went on and I honestly think that the only point where it was truly terrible was during season 3 through the Garlic Jr saga. The Kai dub is still the much better dub overall, but I wouldn't say that the Z dub is godawful.

The dub was pretty bad in season 1 and 2. I would say it didn't get better until half way through.

Are you referring to the edited dub with the Ocean voice cast or the re-dub with the Funimation cast? Because if it's the latter then I would disagree.

Both, more or less, the redub sticks to the ocean scripts except for a few bits here and there.

[penguintruth]

There was still horrendous acting well into the Buu arc and in the redub of the first two seasons, as well as many inaccuracies continuing (they changed the "brilliant scientist" line but kept the "We have to show him mercy!" stuff, FFS).