Gohan might be still stronger than Goku

[qjz123]

Why did Beerus only care about Goku and Vegeta instead of the hybrids Gohan, Goten, and Trunks? You would think that Gohan who is supposed to be 600x stronger than ssj2 Vegeta(I'm not sure what the general consensus is but that's what i've read here) would deserve more interest from Beerus. Why would he waste his time with Goku and Vegeta when there are clearly other fighters Gohan and Gotenks who are supposed to be much, much, stronger? Is it because he doesn't think a hybrid can become a ssjGod. At the end of the movie Beerus even says that perhaps Goku and Vegeta will become a real threat one day. He continues to ignore both Gohan and Gotenks who are both much more powerful than Vegeta currently is. Even that rage boost that Vegeta received pales in comparison to what Gohan and Gotenks are capable of. So why did Toriyama have Beerus completely ignore Gohan and Gotenks?

[Kid Buu]

It doesn't matter how strong Gohan is; the story will always find a way to phase out Gohan in favor of Goku.

[garnetjester]

^Completely agreed. Which makes it all the more ridiculous for Gohan to be the strongest character by word of God, when he never ever gets to show it off (not talking about Cell Games Gohan, because he was the strongest only during that fight, but after his Rou Kaioshin powerup).

Realistically speaking, they didn't have time to squeeze in a Gohan fight in the movie, and Gotenks is hilarious so if anyone was getting 5 extra seconds of film it was him instead of any other character. When the movie featured Goku and Vegeta prominently it would've been pointless to have Gohan playing a bigger role.

I think it's because from a Dragon Ball franchise point of view, after Gohan definitely decided that he didn't want to be a fighter anymore, he sort of doesn't fit in with the regular formula of new big bad of the week and how to defeat them. Since he doesn't care about training much then he doesn't make for an interesting character to showcase when things only revolve around fighting. I don't necessarily agree with this, because he's still strong and smart enough to be of use to the team (and because he's my favorite character so I don't want him relegated to the sidelines), but I can understand the choice to focus on Goku and Vegeta and their endless pursuit of strength or whatever.

I also think that this is why Goten got no screentime in GT, he just wasn't into fighting all that much anymore, so he didn't matter enough to include prominently because the fights are too big and important a part of the series right now.

[Low Tone G]

Even if Gohan was stronger than Goku and Vegeta that time, it didn't bother Beerus, just because Goku and Vegeta were more skillfull fighters, with more fighting intelligence. He saw the hybrides like they didn't want to fight, but they rather have fun and have a life. He saw Vegeta how he was suppressing his own will and pride, but he knew that saiyans are very warlike(pure-blooded ones). So he wanted to test how are skillful soldiders are these saiyans. But I also think that Goku was a bit stronger than Mystic Gohan in BOG, because Vegeta in Cell games admitted that Goku was stronger than him, but also admitted that Gohan is waaay more, so started to train hardly not only surpass Kakarotto, but also Gohan in the same time.

As for hydrides to become SSJ-Gs, it's totally possible, as Toriyama said the power-up is accessible to all tha saiyans we know.

[flashback0180]

At the end of end of Buu saga Mystic Gohan was the strongest non-fused fighter. That's a fact.


It seems after Buu saga Gohan didn't keep training and lived a simple life like any other man ,While Goku and Vegeta kept training getting stronger.
Since Gohan was knocked out with 1 punch its clear that Both Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Gohan.


Both Goku and Vegeta were still standing even after taking a beating from Bills... so both of them had either passed Mystic Gohan's power lv OR Gohan grew weaker after Buu saga.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Both Goku and Vegeta were still standing even after taking a beating from Bills... so both of them had either passed Mystic Gohan's power lv OR Gohan grew weaker after Buu saga.

Or, Beerus wasn't going all out.

It's impossible for Goku & Vegeta to be both stronger than Gohan & Gotenks, but still weaker than Freeza in base, especially when non-God Goku is implied to be not very different during the 28th TB from how he was in the Boo arc.

[Low Tone G]

Both Goku and Vegeta were still standing even after taking a beating from Bills... so both of them had either passed Mystic Gohan's power lv OR Gohan grew weaker after Buu saga.

Or, Beerus wasn't going all out.

It's impossible for Goku & Vegeta to be both stronger than Gohan & Gotenks, but still weaker than Freeza in base, especially when non-God Goku is implied to be not very different during the 28th TB from how he was in the Boo arc.

It is 100% sure that Base Goku was below final form Freeza? I mean Beerus was checking out Goku's power, when was relaxed and intentionally suppressed his power in order as Beerus could not find him in the King Kais house. But after Beerus was impressed displaying the 3 forms of Goku. We saw that Goku also suppressed his power in the JATS.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

If Ginyu could guess Goku's true power, then I'm sure that the Hakaishin can do better. Plus, Kaio said that Beerus was correct and well informed. So yeah, base Goku (and by extension, every base Saiyan) is weaker than Freeza.

[Low Tone G]

Interesting, so that means Pui Pui and Yakon from Majin Buu saga were weaker than final form Freeza...

[Kamiccolo9]

Interesting, so that means Pui Pui and Yakon from Majin Buu saga were weaker than final form Freeza...

Pui-Pui, definitely. Yakon could be around Final Form Freeza, since Goku transformed to beat him, though. I imagine that Goku or Vegeta could put up a fight against Freeza in his final form as long as he's not in his bulked-up state.

[Low Tone G]

That raises the question that East Supreme Kai was also weaker than Final Form Freeza? He was affraid of Yakon! That would be weird because Piccolo was affraid of East Supreme Kai, because he treated the Kaioshin like he was stronger than him, and we know by time of Majin Buu Saga Piccolo was well above Final Form Freeza's Bulked-up form.

[Kamiccolo9]

That raises the question that East Supreme Kai was also weaker than Final Form Freeza? He was affraid of Yakon! That would be weird because Piccolo was affraid of East Supreme Kai, because he treated the Kaioshin like he was stronger than him, and we know by time of Majin Buu Saga Piccolo was well above Final Form Freeza's Bulked-up form.

Kaioshin was afraid of anything with an "M" on its head. The association with Majin Buu had way more to do with him being afraid than any power Yakon may have had. He underestimated the power of the Saiyans, and was afraid that Yakon would take their energy and use it to help revive Buu.

[Low Tone G]

You should be right!

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That raises the question that East Supreme Kai was also weaker than Final Form Freeza? He was affraid of Yakon! That would be weird because Piccolo was affraid of East Supreme Kai, because he treated the Kaioshin like he was stronger than him, and we know by time of Majin Buu Saga Piccolo was well above Final Form Freeza's Bulked-up form.

Kaioshin wasn't afraid that Yakon or Pui Pui would kill him, he was afraid that the Saiyans would get damage and give energy to Boo. Plus, Kaioshin was underestimating the Saiyans, because they are mortals, and was overestimating Babidi's men, because Babidi gathers only strong warriors. It turned out that Pui Pui & Yakon weren't as strong as he thought, and the Super Saiyans were stronger than he thought.

[mAcChaos]

Interesting, so that means Pui Pui and Yakon from Majin Buu saga were weaker than final form Freeza...

Pui-Pui, definitely. Yakon could be around Final Form Freeza, since Goku transformed to beat him, though. I imagine that Goku or Vegeta could put up a fight against Freeza in his final form as long as he's not in his bulked-up state.

He didn't transform for power, necessarily though. He never actuall laid a finger on Yakon. It was more to teach him a lesson and beat him at his own game.

If he actually went after him, who knows how much strength he would have needed. Although the benefit of what he actually did was that it probably denied any power to Buu since they didn't actually fight.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Why did Beerus only care about Goku and Vegeta instead of the hybrids Gohan, Goten, and Trunks? You would think that Gohan who is supposed to be 600x stronger than ssj2 Vegeta(I'm not sure what the general consensus is but that's what i've read here) would deserve more interest from Beerus. Why would he waste his time with Goku and Vegeta when there are clearly other fighters Gohan and Gotenks who are supposed to be much, much, stronger? Is it because he doesn't think a hybrid can become a ssjGod. At the end of the movie Beerus even says that perhaps Goku and Vegeta will become a real threat one day. He continues to ignore both Gohan and Gotenks who are both much more powerful than Vegeta currently is. Even that rage boost that Vegeta received pales in comparison to what Gohan and Gotenks are capable of. So why did Toriyama have Beerus completely ignore Gohan and Gotenks?

Actually he wondered if Gohan was the SSJG when he was doing his Great Saiyaman poses

[Kamiccolo9]

Interesting, so that means Pui Pui and Yakon from Majin Buu saga were weaker than final form Freeza...

Pui-Pui, definitely. Yakon could be around Final Form Freeza, since Goku transformed to beat him, though. I imagine that Goku or Vegeta could put up a fight against Freeza in his final form as long as he's not in his bulked-up state.

He didn't transform for power, necessarily though. He never actuall laid a finger on Yakon. It was more to teach him a lesson and beat him at his own game.

If he actually went after him, who knows how much strength he would have needed. Although the benefit of what he actually did was that it probably denied any power to Buu since they didn't actually fight.

Which is why I said that Yakon "could" be around Freeza. We don't have enough information to know for sure either way.

[qjz123]

Why did Beerus only care about Goku and Vegeta instead of the hybrids Gohan, Goten, and Trunks? You would think that Gohan who is supposed to be 600x stronger than ssj2 Vegeta(I'm not sure what the general consensus is but that's what i've read here) would deserve more interest from Beerus. Why would he waste his time with Goku and Vegeta when there are clearly other fighters Gohan and Gotenks who are supposed to be much, much, stronger? Is it because he doesn't think a hybrid can become a ssjGod. At the end of the movie Beerus even says that perhaps Goku and Vegeta will become a real threat one day. He continues to ignore both Gohan and Gotenks who are both much more powerful than Vegeta currently is. Even that rage boost that Vegeta received pales in comparison to what Gohan and Gotenks are capable of. So why did Toriyama have Beerus completely ignore Gohan and Gotenks?

Actually he wondered if Gohan was the SSJG when he was doing his Great Saiyaman poses

Wasn't that a gag more than him being serious?

[Polyphase Avatron]

A lot of the stuff in the movie was a gag. Still, it shows he did pay some attention to Gohan.

[Gutsxgoku]

The thing about this post in relation to Battle of Gods is that Gohan/every other character in DB universe doesn't matter at all to Beerus. All he heard was "some guy beat Freeza" and so Beerus was like "OMFG strongest duude must fight." There was never a point where there was a notion of anyone else being stronger than Goku. If you put notions of fans wanting Goku front and center aside, then in the film all you have is EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER believing that Goku is the only one who can even touch Beerus even if they don't want him to. Personally, I just go by what I see because in the end, the final product is all that matters, creator/studio/company goals = money and therefore I believe that when discussing in-universe you can't pull away and say "Well Toriyama wants Gohan to be strongest so.. Battle of Gods is only focused on Goku because of fans blah blah.." So that's my two cents. In my mind I like the idea of Gohan being stronger but after the saiyaman stuff and the posing along with going back to his "studies" that no one cares about... Yeah my feeling for him as a character dropped significantly. I still like him but, on paper/anime I will always be entertained with Goku as the star which = more money in the creator/licensor/distributor etc. pockets.