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Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:28 pm

I forgot about the 2008 Jump Special. I view the manga version of it canon since AT seems like that version better.

UpFromTheSkies · Post by **UpFromTheSkies** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:30 pm

For me, the only thing that's cannon is what Toriyama wrote himself or references.

UpFromTheSkies · Post by **UpFromTheSkies** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:40 pm

Basaku wrote:
penguintruth wrote:Canon: 42 volumes of Akira Toriyama's Dragon Ball manga (yeah, there's some leeway there, but very little)

Not canon: Everything else ever.
Yeah, basically the safest approach a fan can have right now. Especially in the recent few years with all the new projects coming out that conflict with each other, both from Toei and Toriyama himself lol

If anything seems like a contradiction from Toriyama, it's not really a contradiction, it's a misinterpretation from the reader

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:07 pm

Personally I'm very flexible with what I consider my personal canon. I'm certainly not one of the people that completely discounts the events of GT or the non-Battle of Gods movies despite any plotholes they may have.

As for the purest form of canon, obviously the manga and Battle of Gods-type works with direct Toriyama involvement come to mind but it's rare that I feel the need to define it that way.

Codarik · Post by **Codarik** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:26 am

UpFromTheSkies wrote:For me, the only thing that's cannon is what Toriyama wrote himself or references.

Yeah this pretty much sums up my canon too.

hleV · Post by **hleV** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:37 am

The latest Kanzenban edition of the manga and probably Jaco with DB-.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:53 am

Manga
Movie 1 [Garlic Jr]
Movie 5 [Cooler]
Movie 7 [Trunks' timeline]
Movie 9 [Bojack]
Movie 13 [Hildegarn]
JSAT special
Jaco
Minus
Some pieces of non-contradictory filler (Ginyus on Kaio's world, Yamcha being a baseball player, etc.)
Most guidebooks (I very rarely ignore any new information from any of them)

I also have the stance of "the characters exist, but the events based around their appearances may not". In other words, in my canon, there really was a space pirate named Chilled, he really was an ancestor of Freeza, etc. But he wasn't killed by Bardock in the main timeline. In the main timeline, Chilled and co killed the purple stalk-eyed people and sold their planet. Similarly, guys like Slug, Tullece, and Broly really do exist, and really did plague the universe, but never encountered the protagonists in the main timeline, so met their ends in some different way.

RancorSnp · Post by **RancorSnp** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:49 am

Well, I'm simple in that matter :

1 - Is is created by Toriyama?
Yes - It's cannon no matter what. No - Go to question number two.
2 - Does it create major plot holes and/or doesn't fit Toriyamas work?
Yes - It's not cannon. No - It may be considered cannon, but shouldn't be blindly trusted.

thatdbzguy · Post by **thatdbzguy** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:34 am

All of Dragon Ball part one is canon, and everything afterwards is just dreams that Goku has periodically.

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:24 pm

Whatever Toriyama wrote was canon, but I disregard the ending with Uub. In my mind he trains but lives with his family, and visits his friends once a year.

Basaku · Post by **Basaku** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:46 pm

ABED wrote:In my mind he trains but lives with his family, and visits his friends once a year.

Vegeta sure, not Goku

auspx · Post by **auspx** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:01 pm

Jaco/DB Minus (only because it's Toriyama's work).
The DB/Z manga.
Movie 13
Yo, Son Goku and Friends Return (anime and manga).
BoG

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:20 pm

Vegeta sure, not Goku

Vegeta has no friends, and I do think Goku would visit his family often. What is with people's defense of Vegeta? The guy is a monster.

Basaku · Post by **Basaku** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:33 pm

ABED wrote:What is with people's defense of Vegeta? The guy is a monster.

The question should be - what's with people's blind adoration of Goku? You've just admitted you make up your own canon to make him even more pristine and perfect lol. Vegeta was never put on this kind of moral pedestal and people are mostly bringing him up to show that Goku is not 100% perfect, holy, and moral oracle the series tries to portray him as. Even a 'monster' like Vegeta can do something better than Goku

SSJ Electric Fury · Post by **SSJ Electric Fury** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:48 pm

Bardock: The Father of Goku, but with Gine being confirmed as the name of Goku's mother

Jaco the Galactic Patrolman (not sure about Goku's armor, though)

Pre-Z Dragon Ball manga, except Tenshinhan's Piccolo Daimao training and fight go as in the anime

Dragon Ball Kai

Trunks: The Story manga

Dragon Ball Z movies five, nine, thirteen, fourteen (BoG), and by extent, the 2008 special

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:57 pm

ABED wrote:What is with people's defense of Vegeta? The guy is a monster.

At the begining sure but at the end of the Cell saga and during the Buu saga he's not even close to what he was.

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:35 pm

sintzu wrote:
ABED wrote:What is with people's defense of Vegeta? The guy is a monster.
At the begining sure but at the end of the Cell saga and during the Buu saga he's not even close to what he was.

He's not absolved of his sins just by his acts at the end of the Buu arc. Remember, he's very much responsible for Buu's resurrection. He killed the tournament spectators. Yes, he changed, but he's still responsible for so much death and tragedy, he couldn't ever make it right.

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:50 pm

The anime up until the Unigame's birthday episode.

That seems like the best ending for me.

Low Tone G · Post by **Low Tone G** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:53 pm

ABED wrote:
sintzu wrote:
ABED wrote:What is with people's defense of Vegeta? The guy is a monster.
At the begining sure but at the end of the Cell saga and during the Buu saga he's not even close to what he was.
He's not absolved of his sins just by his acts at the end of the Buu arc. Remember, he's very much responsible for Buu's resurrection. He killed the tournament spectators. Yes, he changed, but he's still responsible for so much death and tragedy, he couldn't ever make it right.

But he did! He tried to make everything right when challenged Fat Buu, even he failed afterwards. And also he was who tended to sacrifice himself once again against Kid (Pure) Buu just to earn time for Goku to be a hero again.

Basaku · Post by **Basaku** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:54 pm

UpFromTheSkies wrote: If anything seems like a contradiction from Toriyama, it's not really a contradiction, it's a misinterpretation from the reader

lol

It is rather clear though that Toriyama doesn't really take into account anything he haven't done himself when doing new stuff in recent years. BOG & DB Online pretty much ignore GT, Minus pretty much ignores the original Bardock special. I believe him when he says he reread the manga for BOG. I'm also totally sure he doesn't remember anything else from DB universe too lol, stuff he didn't make himself in particular

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