What if Toriyama gave us

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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Low Tone G » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:15 pm

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xmysticgohanx wrote:An official power level for one, just one, person who would you pick for him to reveal? I would have to go with either Ultimate Gohan (to see how big the gap is between him and Goku), Beerus (obv reasons), Videl (sounds weird I know but just to see how she compares with early DB) or Bardock. If you can't think of one maybe somebody who you think would help us the most to determine others.
Bardock. AT has said that Bardock was a low-class warrior who isn't able to become a mid-class (i.e. he was weaker than Nappa). Well then, how weak was he? What is a "mid-class" power level? How powerful can a "low-class" saiyan warrior be before he's no longer considered a "low-class"?
Yeah, we already know King Vegeta and Prince Vegeta were elite, and Prnce Vegeta was above 10,000. I assume a low-class warrior is below 3000-5000 a mid-class 5000-9500, and above 10,000 it's an elite.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by xmysticgohanx » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:03 am

Zephyr wrote:The farther into the story we go from there, the greater the chance of Toriyama overlooking some detail that only the fans pay attention to, and causing some glaring inconsistency with already established norms, concepts, scaling, etc.
When I said Toriyama I meant an official source in general. I should've been clearer.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Godo » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:59 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:The power level of his wife when she's mad at him. Every man fears his girl when she mad.
I believe that a man's power level drops significantly due to fear as well, nerfing him even more in comparison.

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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Kaboom » Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:57 pm

I would agree on a power level for Ultimate Gohan. Since Battle of Gods has more or less given us an upper limit for Boo-arc Goku (his base is weaker than Freeza, x400 that for Super Saiyan 3), then knowing Gohan's power level would allow us to reasonably scale almost everyone else.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:37 pm

Kaboom wrote:I would agree on a power level for Ultimate Gohan. Since Battle of Gods has more or less given us an upper limit for Boo-arc Goku (his base is weaker than Freeza, x400 that for Super Saiyan 3), then knowing Gohan's power level would allow us to reasonably scale almost everyone else.
Id say Goku could be anywhere from 80 to 100 million. A 20 million difference allowed him to more or less trounce 100% Freeza as a Super Saiyan so having him at 100 million or so would make sense.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:53 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Gohan to shut up the fans about the SSj3 Goku vs. Mystic Gohan debates over the years.
- Broly to end the enternally retold debate on if his powerlevel is gradually "infinite"
- Kid Buu to finally reassure people that "dangerous" doesnt mean stronger.
- Super Perfect Cell to prove he was actually stronger than Gohan.
- BOG Base Goku, is he stronger than Gohan in that film? Gohan seemed to be as weak as he was in GT.
- Evil Buu. Just for Classification. Is he the same strength as Kid Buu?
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by DieHard » Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:18 pm

Herms wrote:
Blade wrote:In fact, I don't want to hear any more in-universe information from Toriyama regarding character strength, as it will likely be entirely off-the-cuff, will disregard the majority of previously established in-universe events that he's long since forgotten and will lead to a subsequent shit-storm as fans clamber to revise their power-level charts to accommodate some new and entirely contradictory information.
Curiously, this is precisely the reason I kinda want Toriyama to rattle off more battle powers and whatnot.
Ain't that the case with goku x vegeta = vegetto?

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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Saiga » Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:29 pm

I guess the question is assuming the battle power is actually accurate, right? Because at this stage I don't think that's terribly likely, especially for anything post-Freeza. If, for some magical reason, the battle power was accurate, I'd also go with Ultimate Gohan.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Low Tone G » Thu May 01, 2014 3:24 am

As most of us, I'd be satisfied with Ultimate Gohan's PL. But also I'm more eager to find out the Divine(Holly/Heavenly/Godly) Ki puts the user above the strongest Potara fusion's maximum power, because the movie massively implies that for me, at least.
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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu May 01, 2014 5:37 am

At this point, I don't trust Toriyama to give an accurate number.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: What if Toriyama gave us

Post by Low Tone G » Thu May 01, 2014 9:12 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:At this point, I don't trust Toriyama to give an accurate number.
Unfortunately I have to agree. But considering Toriyama doesn't treat the Dragon Ball Universe complete, then it's safer to not give any exact information as that to be relevant for the whole story, as it is still expanding in time and events.
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