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Vijay wrote:Ending seemed forced for me. GT was ALL about GOKU, & ending reflected just that. Nothing great IMO. Very reason why most hate GT is Goku hogging spotlight all the time. The ending was no different, yet gets a pass. Rofl.
I still don't understand this 'criticism'. Goku has always been the main protagonist of Dragon Ball - yes, he ducked out here and there - but it almost always comes back to Goku. It made total sense for the series to end as it began - with Goku.
GT's ending makes a point to visit all the friends he'd made over such a long journey and create a wonderful farewell for the character. Just because some fans whine that Goku gets too much attention, that doesn't mean they're going ignore what the series has always been about.
It doesn't get a 'pass'. It doesn't need one.
It wasn't criticism.
Just as ancient Chinese myth was the soul of DragonBall, Goku was the drivng force of DBZ. I said "driving force". DBZ over the time became more about OTHERS as well as Goku. Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan, Bulma, Tien etc. So, it makes sense for EoZ (final arc of the manga) to be "in-character" which preserves the legacy of Son.
GT however wasn't. It trashes every other character to make way for Goku. No offence, I'm Goku fanboy, but it fits "too much cook spoils the broth". Banking heavily on "Goku-factor" & giving poorly attempted series with an unfortunate ending (or rather nadir of the franchise).
The endings are better and animation some times. Gt is not that bad but it's just to different Then Z,
it's like watching the Japanese G1Transformers, it looks the same as the American counterpart, but It's totally different show and different feeling.
Canon is Jaco, Dragon Ball except for EoZ, Dragon Ball Super anime and manga (both are separate canons)
Kai >>> Z
Current Roshi/Kulilin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3 Gotenks
No way!
i don't think there were a single good fight in GT, let alone being better than Z's fight!
Agreed! The GT fights were very badly animated, but not only that, but the sound effects were also lame, even if they were made from the same Toei like the Z.
By the way the sound effects of B.o.G. were also under the niveau, especially the punch effects.
English is not my first language!
I'm still waiting for Dragon Ball in Super...
I'll add another vote on in favor of the ending. DBZ's ending felt like Toriyama just ran out of ideas (which, as I understand it, isn't too far from the truth).
Piccolo's death scene & the ending were more cathartic imo. Super Saiyan 4 was a more interesting design as opposed to the others & just might be my favorite. I also might've enjoyed Vegeta's character more too, since the obsession of surpassing Kakarot wasn't there so much (imo ofc).
Only good fight in GT was Goku vs Ludraic. The others was awful. Wait Goku vs the Dragon with heat and his Ice brother was good as well.
None of the fights were memorable to me. I hated Goku vs Si Xing Long. It was just Goku running away a whole lot. The stuff after that was better.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
SaiyanZ wrote:Piccolo's death scene & the ending were more cathartic imo. Super Saiyan 4 was a more interesting design as opposed to the others & just might be my favorite. I also might've enjoyed Vegeta's character more too, since the obsession of surpassing Kakarot wasn't there so much (imo ofc).
I hated Piccolo's death, as the writers were so uninspired and out of ideas, literally the only interesting thing they thought they could do with him was to have him die.
'Multiculturalism means nothing in Japan, for every outside culture must pass first through the Japanese filter, rendering it entirely Japanese in the process.' - Julian Cope.
SaiyanZ wrote:Piccolo's death scene & the ending were more cathartic imo. Super Saiyan 4 was a more interesting design as opposed to the others & just might be my favorite. I also might've enjoyed Vegeta's character more too, since the obsession of surpassing Kakarot wasn't there so much (imo ofc).
To be fair. Vegeta was nothing but a side character at this point so....they did nothing with him. However once he became main notice how he became obsessed again
SaiyanZ wrote:Piccolo's death scene & the ending were more cathartic imo. Super Saiyan 4 was a more interesting design as opposed to the others & just might be my favorite. I also might've enjoyed Vegeta's character more too, since the obsession of surpassing Kakarot wasn't there so much (imo ofc).
I hated Piccolo's death, as the writers were so uninspired and out of ideas, literally the only interesting thing they thought they could do with him was to have him die.
While it was well done, I do agree. This goes for a lot of writing in general, death is overused. 24 overused it. It's gotten to the point that keeping characters alive is actually more shocking.
I don't mind Vegeta's obsession resurfacing, since this time it wasn't destructive.
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SaiyanZ wrote:Piccolo's death scene & the ending were more cathartic imo. Super Saiyan 4 was a more interesting design as opposed to the others & just might be my favorite. I also might've enjoyed Vegeta's character more too, since the obsession of surpassing Kakarot wasn't there so much (imo ofc).
I hated Piccolo's death, as the writers were so uninspired and out of ideas, literally the only interesting thing they thought they could do with him was to have him die.
While it was well done, I do agree. This goes for a lot of writing in general, death is overused. 24 overused it. It's gotten to the point that keeping characters alive is actually more shocking.
I don't mind Vegeta's obsession resurfacing, since this time it wasn't destructive.
It annoyed me how it conveniently popped up in two episodes out of nowhere, once during the Tenkaichi Budokai and again during the Shadow Dragon Arc. The latter always struck me as absurd, given that Vegeta's pride would never allow him to accept Bulma's help in reaching a new level.
'Multiculturalism means nothing in Japan, for every outside culture must pass first through the Japanese filter, rendering it entirely Japanese in the process.' - Julian Cope.
1 - how was it out of nowhere?
2 - Vegeta has gone though a change, why wouldn't he let his wife help him?
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
SaiyanZ wrote:Piccolo's death scene & the ending were more cathartic imo. Super Saiyan 4 was a more interesting design as opposed to the others & just might be my favorite. I also might've enjoyed Vegeta's character more too, since the obsession of surpassing Kakarot wasn't there so much (imo ofc).
I hated Piccolo's death, as the writers were so uninspired and out of ideas, literally the only interesting thing they thought they could do with him was to have him die.
The thing that I liked about it was that Piccolo stayed dead in Hell. Made it feel permanent.
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