...what the HELL Cartoon Network!?

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:19 am

Great Saiyaman wrote:OMG I am sick & tired of this shit. Goddamnit, kids bleed all the time, they know what blood looks like & kids here cursing all the time when their mothers call their fathers "fuckin assholes". get over it america & get over it FCC.

What kind of fucked up state do you live in? Alabama?

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:35 am

Super Sonic wrote:Cable doesn't adhere to FCC (though FCC wants to get over them). Yeah it happened on the West Coast too. For anyone else, is it kind of weird hearing the old voices after hearing the current cast for so long?

I'm sorry. I meant censors, not FCC. x_X There are standards to cable television with things you can or cannot do at certain times. Take Comedy Central, for example. A lot of what's said in South Park gets bleeped out during the daytime with other shows or movies aired. You can't do anything of that sort when children can flip through to the channel and see the sort. Especially not on a childrens' network.

DBZ originally aired uncut at 10:30pm. It was fine where it was since it was right next to [adult swim]. At 10pm and up, it's all fair game (hence why South Park airs so late on CC, rather than early in the daytime).

What kind of fucked up state do you live in? Alabama?

Uh, I'd have a look around if I were you. This nation's youth have become rather..disrespectful and have no morals. o_O I see the same thing here in Florida.

tarsonis · Post by **tarsonis** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:06 am

Tsukento wrote:Parents complained when the Princess Snake episode came around

I've never heard about this. Was this posted somewhere?

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:12 am

Why are a couple of you guys so pissed about this (Xyex, Great Saiyaman)? The Ocean version cuts out so much filler, making it closer to the manga, as well as uses the superior voice cast and music score. If anything, we should all be glad, especially considering we've already had a full run of FUNi's redub on their weeknight run. It is a shame cartoon network couldn't have gone back to "Arrival of Raditz", as starting at the Orphan episode right after the redub Robot episode is a very confusing move. Oh well, point is, we get the Ocean version back (Ian Corlett's Goku, Scott Mcneil's Piccolo, Brian Drummond's Vegeta, Ted Cole's Yamcha, the Ocean VA for Ginyu, not to mention Bulma's Ocean VA is so much more less bitchy). I know, FUNi's redub has the superior dialogue writing, but we've already had a full run of those episodes. Let's enjoy these Ocean episodes while we still get them. Besides, the Ultimate Uncut DVD releases are being released as I speak, if you want the redub episodes, just buy them.

Please don't call me insane for speaking that way, I'm merely speaking from my point of view. *runs and hides*

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:16 am

superior voice cast and music score

No way man. There was hardly any music what so ever.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:18 am

Just synthesized noise trying to pass as music. Just like in the rest of the series by FUNi.

Dark Vegeta-Sama · Post by **Dark Vegeta-Sama** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:20 am

Great Saiyaman wrote:
superior voice cast and music score
No way man. There was hardly any music what so ever.

What?

There's music playing constantly in Ocean seasons 1 and 2, so much so that you'd wish there were many more moments of silence just for it to stop.

The voice acting and music was superior; the show had a very epic, dramatic, and slightly threatening feel to it that was totally lost with season three when FUNi hired the Texas actors and Faulconer.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:23 am

Great Saiyaman wrote:
superior voice cast and music score
No way man. There was hardly any music what so ever.

Ocean's music is much more familar and nostalgic to me, the redub's is just to new and not all right for the redub, IMO. Levy's mix is actually the only dub score I find myself preferring over the Faulconer, Menza, and Nathan Jones scores. Must be nostalgia that has me so glad cartoon network went back to these episodes, above other things I guess.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:52 am

Yeah but the music was too quiet, not action filled enough for my taste.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:34 am

Why are a couple of you guys so pissed about this (Xyex, Great Saiyaman)? The Ocean version cuts out so much filler, making it closer to the manga,

Cuts suck, period. I don't WANT it closer to the manga. If I did I'd read the frigging manga instead of watch the anime. Closer to the manga =/= better. I watched the episode to watch the Uncut version, as I didn't have cable during the initial airing of them.

as well as uses the superior voice cast and music score.

I don't give a rats ass about the music.

Let's enjoy these Ocean episodes while we still get them.

I've seen these episodes a MILLION times already. Enough is enough. Either show the uncut or take DBZ off the air.

Besides, the Ultimate Uncut DVD releases are being released as I speak, if you want the redub episodes, just buy them.

Deal, you by me the DVDs and I'll do that.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:08 am

Xyex wrote:Cuts suck, period. I don't WANT it closer to the manga. If I did I'd read the frigging manga instead of watch the anime. Closer to the manga =/= better. I watched the episode to watch the Uncut version, as I didn't have cable during the initial airing of them.

Gotcha, so you want it 100% uncut despite the usual boring filler stuff popping up from time to time, and nostalgia towards the Ocean version doesn't exist within you? By the way, you wern't getting the episodes entirely uncut straight from the DVDs, cartoon network still removed the eye catchers and shortend the ending-credit sequence.

I don't give a rats ass about the music.

All right, I respect your opinion, though I'd like to hear you say that about GT's dub treatment in the right thread at the right time.

I've seen these episodes a MILLION times already. Enough is enough. Either show the uncut or take DBZ off the air.

Relax, man. Hell, they did show DBZ uncut, all first 67 redub episodes at 10:30 on weeknights last year, I guess you should have caught them all when you had the chance (unless you already did, in which case, I don't know why you'd be bitching about them being removed since you'd seen them all, already). Besides, this is the 7:30 P.M. slot, did you really think cartoon network would stick to showing the rest of the Saiyan and Namek sagas in their uncut-redub form (even more excessive violence, anime-labs-type cursing, adult nudity)? Also, even if they would have kept showing them uncut, I doubt cartoon network would have bought the uncut version episodes of the Frieza - Buu arcs just to fill in some violence and alternate language takes here and there.

Deal, you by me the DVDs and I'll do that.

Sorry, too busy saving up to buy other things for myself. Besides, I'm more of an Ocean dub fan for the Saiyan/Namek arcs, the first Ultimate Uncut and Dead Zone redub DVDs are more than enough to appease me at the moment. I may get the rest of the Ultimate Uncuts one of these days when the time is right for myself, though.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:52 am

Gotcha, so you want it 100% uncut despite the usual boring filler stuff popping up from time to time, and nostalgia towards the Ocean version doesn't exist within you? By the way, you wern't getting the episodes entirely uncut straight from the DVDs, cartoon network still removed the eye catchers and shortend the ending-credit sequence.

Not part of the show, which is what matters. And no, I don't have any nostalgia toward the Ocean version. I've seen it too damn much to want to see (or hear) it again. And yes, I want an uncut series, complete with the filler, because I'm not a manga purist.

Relax, man. Hell, they did show DBZ uncut, all first 67 redub episodes at 10:30 on weeknights last year, I guess you should have caught them all when you had the chance

Didn't see it. Didn't have cable at the time. Caught the last few episodes on Namek, but that was it.

Besides, this is the 7:30 P.M. slot, did you really think cartoon network would stick to showing the rest of the Saiyan and Namek sagas in their uncut-redub form

Yes, I did, because they advertised it as that, and because they have no reason not to. All censorship on cable is self-imposed by the company of the channel.

Also, even if they would have kept showing them uncut, I doubt cartoon network would have bought the uncut version episodes of the Freeza - Buu arcs just to fill in some violence and alternate language takes here and there.

Yes, I know, and I wasn't expecting them to. I just wanted to see the redub, on TV. I wanted to see the version of DBZ I've not seen a million times over and gotten sick of.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:17 am

Great Saiyaman wrote:Yeah but the music was too quiet, not action filled enough for my taste.

Since when the hell was Dragon Ball Z nothing but action, action, action? I'm pretty sure the characters do more than just fight.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:32 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Kirbopher wrote:Ah, sorry 'bout that.

Anyway, I also checked CN's schedule page. it says next up are "Showdown in the Past" and "The End of Snake Way"...were those the original titles of the Ocean dubbed episodes, or are they the names of the Ultimate Uncut episodes? o.o
I'll be darned, those are indeed the episode titles for the Ocean versions of those Saiyan saga episodes. Looks like cartoon network plans on carrying through with the Ocean version, too bad they didn't start it off from "Arrival of Raditz" though. Needless to say, I find this pretty cool, and it'll prove to be just as entertaining as the FUNi redub for me since this is the dub I was introduced to. Also, I find myself preferring to connect to the Ocean dub to the rest of the DBZ dub series better than the redub. Once more, gotta say I'm glad I have all these episodes on tape already, especially considering cartoon network didn't start the Ocean episodes from the very beginning.

I don't live in USA so I haven't cared much, but, aren't these the saban eps? Or did ocean do a dub of the first two seasons uncut, too?
CN is supposed to be showing dbz uncut now, aren't they?
Well "uncut"...(the way funi calls it uncut).

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:49 am

Well, in case anyone's forgotten, I'm an anime purist, but I just happen to prefer the Ocean dub over the FUNi-redub version. That's the dub I grew up knowing, and if I want to watch the Saiyan/Namek sagas in an English dub adaptation, I'll turn to my Ocean tapes. Over everything else though, I'll still always prefer the Japanese version of DBZ over anything else, which is why I'm still thinking about buying the rest of the Ultimate Uncuts. But if I must watch DBZ's first two sagas in English, I choose the first adaptation, the one with voices that hold a place in my Otaku heart.

sangofe wrote:I don't live in USA so I haven't cared much, but, aren't these the saban eps? Or did ocean do a dub of the first two seasons uncut, too?
CN is supposed to be showing dbz uncut now, aren't they?
Well "uncut"...(the way funi calls it uncut).

There isn't an "Uncut" version to the Ocean episodes, unless you wanna count alternate dialogue takes scattered through out the first 4 episodes, it's basically one big, edited and cut down version of the redub, except it was dubbed first. So yeah, basically cartoon network have now false advertised by saying they'd play DBZ Uncut, though this advertisement can be argued since they technically did show DBZ Uncut, just the first 9 episodes. Now though, they've gone on to "episode 10" of the Ocean version. Unless someone wants to try suing cartoon network, why not just let this go and stop complaining about it? I know this is a message board free for discussion, but really; these episodes are being sold on DVD, if you guys really wanna see them, just get the friggin' DVDs. Hell, FUNi are releasing them at a rate where you can save up enough.

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:17 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:these episodes are being sold on DVD, if you guys really wanna see them, just get the friggin' DVDs. Hell, FUNi are releasing them at a rate where you can save up enough.

Sorry if I sound like I'm flogging a dead donkey, but they wont be up to where they went to on CN for atleast another year now. Kinda unacceptable considering HK, Japan, and other countries have already gotten them out in more affordable releases.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:27 am

Who cares, its not like these episodes are holding back new episodes from being shown.

tarsonis · Post by **tarsonis** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:08 pm

The only disadvantage I can see in them showing the old Ocean episodes, other than missing scenes, is the dialogue (characters trying to dodge the topic of death..you know what I'm talking about.)

Considering we have Funi's 'uncut' releases, we're well beyond that stage. If I were to judge the dubs, I'd prefer the voices and music of the Ocean dub as well, but CN should be showing the updated versions for now.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:39 pm

Tsukento wrote:
Great Saiyaman wrote:Yeah but the music was too quiet, not action filled enough for my taste.
Since when the hell was Dragon Ball Z nothing but action, action, action? I'm pretty sure the characters do more than just fight.

Hmmm, THE ENTIRE SAIYAN SAGA!!!!!! Fighting, training, that saga has it all & the music wasn;t good enough for it as far as I am concerned.

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:16 pm

The entire saiyan saga? Are you sure? I was sure 70% of the time was spent with Gokuh running along snake way and then chasing bubbles and gregory around until any serious action began, not to mention Gohan's survival training which was more about character development than action.

Anyway, I don't see where the complaints were coming from. Is it just me because thus far I haven't really seen much blood or heard much cursing in the uncut version other than in Gokuh's fairly gruesome death, and the only frontal nudity we got was from a 4 year old boy. Do parents just get concerned when they hear "uncut"?

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