Broli: A Character Discussion in Fandom Context

[ImmaDeker]

I simply don't like him, I better like Tullece.

Tullece is one of the best Z era villains, easily. I'd rank him higher than just about everyone who isn't Fat Buu or Beerus.

[samuraix123]

I like Broly in the 1st and 2nd movies but I felt like we didn't need a 3rd movie with him. I have friends that goes crazy about Broly to point of me starting to hate him. lol

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

He is every stereotype of the Z-era taken seriously and with gusto. It is his greatest strength and greatest weakness; he's hopelessly ripped in a way that puts even Nappa to shame, the height of his power seems indiscernible, he plays Toriyama's usual shtick of the strongest being the puniest in its logical reverse, he lays down a beating the likes of which we rarely see in the rest of the series, etc. As a concept he's entertaining and something that probably took a bit guts to commit to exploring, and I'm glad Toei did. He really only becomes problematic when he's built up as some sort of end-all be-all of the series, as two sequels and years of Spike games and Dragon Ball Heroes attempts, rather than the stylistic chapter he really is.

But by extension, Paragras was a lot of fun to watch for what little he had. He was really in a unique position, trying to reassert a Saiyan commercial-military operation but not as a cave-dwelling entrepreneur but as the only survivor in a post-Freeza world that actually cared about the idea. That he still feels any kind of moral failing on his part for son's actions despite all that is even odder. Raises the whole question about whether or not Saiyans are really capable of doing something like that themselves or if they just need bubble societies like King Vegeta's (in that Freeza could demand whatever he wanted of them) to develop any sense of culture.

I simply don't like him, I better like Tullece.

Tullece is one of the best Z era villains, easily. I'd rank him higher than just about everyone who isn't Fat Buu or Beerus.

Now why would that be? He does put on different airs enough to distinguish himself from the Saiyan arc three, but he seems more in line with the more typical villain than Fat Buu and Beerus.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I honestly really like Broly. He used to be one of my favorite villains, and...actually, he still might be (though he's definitely slipped quite a bit down the list at least). There's just something really enjoyable about watching the way he just powers through everyone and everything thrown at him in movie 8. Sure, the whole 'crying made him insane', if you take it at that level, is a pretty weak reason for his hatred for Goku, but...I find it hard to get too annoyed with something like that when we're already watching a series where our main hero is named after a carrot.

Movies 10 and 11 are where the character went overboard though. I'd say it was too much of a good thing, but sadly, Broly didn't bring any of what was good about him originally to those other two movies, so...really they're just lackluster in general. The only good things I can say about them are that they both give more minor characters a chance to shine and the location for movie 11 is interesting, but even both of those positives are almost moot - there's no explanation given for why the more major characters are missing in either movie, and the laboratory location was already done (and better) in movie 2.

Movie 10 and 11 should have give us original villains instead then bringing back the same character more then once. Even Metal Coola felt like they were pushing it since he was just a rehash of Mecha Freeza.

And here I thought I was the only one that thought that! Honestly, I think all of the 'sequel' movies for Z, the ones with returning villains, would have been better served by having an original villain instead. Movie 6 could have just used the Big Gete Star as DBZ's answer to Unicron from Transformers. Movie 10 could have been about the monster that terrorized the village (still could have used the dinosaur as a red herring at first though). And movie 11 already had enough going on with the Bio-warriors stuff, just have one of those be super strong without messing with the returned Broly schtick.

[jjgp1112]

Broly was actually one of my favorite characters in the early years of my fandom. I dunno, just seeing a big, hulked up Super Saiyan going out and wrecking shit appealed to me as a kid, plus I'm a wrestling fan. However, I really loathe the way he's been portrayed since Movie 10, and his slew of fanboys certainly don't help.

So I guess the verdict is I think movie 8 Broly is great, but a shallow character otherwise.

[ImmaDeker]

Now why would that be? He does put on different airs enough to distinguish himself from the Saiyan arc three, but he seems more in line with the more typical villain than Fat Buu and Beerus.

Evil Goku who gains a super mode by eating is the best shit ever.

[RandomGuy96]

Now why would that be? He does put on different airs enough to distinguish himself from the Saiyan arc three, but he seems more in line with the more typical villain than Fat Buu and Beerus.

Evil Goku who gains a super mode by eating is the best shit ever.

That's basically Cell in a nutshell, though. Maybe Super Buu too...

[ImmaDeker]

Now why would that be? He does put on different airs enough to distinguish himself from the Saiyan arc three, but he seems more in line with the more typical villain than Fat Buu and Beerus.

Evil Goku who gains a super mode by eating is the best shit ever.

That's basically Cell in a nutshell, though. Maybe Super Buu too...

They eat people, not food, and turn into progressively more boring versions of themselves.

Tullece eats FOOD and gains the power of gods. Especially NOW, he's a surprisingly great idea and a bit before his time.

[RandomGuy96]

They eat people, not food, and turn into progressively more boring versions of themselves.

I wouldn't call Super Buu boring, even in his stronger forms. Cell... well, you got me there. At least it's better then starting out as boring and remaining boring, which Tullece was. Aside from being creepy once or twice (stomping on Goku while shooting the hell out of him + grabbing Gohan and holding his eyes open). He always struck me as one of the most stock villains, right up there with Slug and Bojack.

Tullece eats FOOD and gains the power of gods. Especially NOW, he's a surprisingly great idea and a bit before his time.

Eating food to gain the power of gods? Real men eat gods to gain the power of gods.

[ImmaDeker]

I wouldn't call Super Buu boring,

I would. He's another lean asshole when Fat Buu was way more interesting.

Eating food to gain the power of gods? Real men eat gods to gain the power of gods.

Goku ain't a real man, so Tullece shouldn't be either.

[RandomGuy96]

I would. He's another lean asshole when Fat Buu was way more interesting.

He's an asshole, but he's an asshole in more varied, intelligent, and creative (not to mention funny) ways than the last two main assholes.

Goku ain't a real man, so Tullece shouldn't be either.

I don't get it. Because of his voice?

[ImmaDeker]

He's an asshole, but he's an asshole in more varied, intelligent, and creative (not to mention funny) ways than the last two main assholes.

Doesn't matter to me when Fat Buu was way better. He was the PERFECT villain to end everything on. The transformations always disappointed me.

I don't get it. Because of his voice?

His voice has nothing to do with it.

Goku's a boy, not a man.

[RandomGuy96]

Doesn't matter to me when Fat Buu was way better. He was the PERFECT villain to end everything on. The transformations always disappointed me.

Meh, different strokes for different folks then. Super Buu's my favorite villain, though tons-of-fun is up there.

In any case, I'm not sure how Tullece is interesting. Everything about that guy just screamed "stock" to me. He was just evil, without amusing quirks, personality traits, smarts, or a "cool" factor to make up for his lazy design and lack of motivation. A lot of movie villains are like that.

[Low Tone G]

I do not see why is that fandom around Broly, why want they him to be in the next movie(LOL). He is nothing special, he is a dumb one in the base form(look at his eyes), and a fool destroyer in LSSJ form. Turles, on the other hand, is smart enough. Broly isn't a typical Saiyan regarding his personlity.

[Eire]

look at his eyes

And think that he has a terrible headache and no painkiller in sight. And he resisted for better half of the film before he tried to murder those who made it worse. Now he is practically a hero.

[Hellspawn28]

Tullece was a better villain then Broli in my opinion seeing that he was everything that Goku would have been if he was truly evil. Broli could have been great if he was written better.

[Low Tone G]

Broli heavily bores me. I think apart that the movie is good enough, Broly's character and his appearance is very boring. I like movie 8 because of team-work and because of Paragus. And movies 10 and 11 are even more boring, on par with Super Android 13.

[Thanos]

A movie about the guy? Sure, great! Two? Fair enough... why not. Three? Totally unnecessary. Introducing a DBGT-only form for the Z movie-only character 21 years after his original debut? Get outta here...

[Kamiccolo9]

A movie about the guy? Sure, great! Two? Fair enough... why not. Three? Totally unnecessary. Introducing a DBGT-only form for the Z movie-only character 21 years after his original debut? Get outta here...

Technically, Bio-Broly wasn't Broly. And in practice, that "Broly" was nothing like the one from M8 and M10. So I don't really see the problem there. The movie could have been "Goten and Trunks vs the Massive Mud Monster from Mars," and hardly anything would have to be changed. So I don't see the point in using Bio-Broly as a knock against the use of the character when it very clearly was a totally different take on said character.

[Ashelia]

Broly's movies are basically everything that pains me about the series when it comes to its potential.

The premise of movie 8 starts off great because its about Paragus and Broly being wronged by the royal Saiyan family, it makes perfect sense. Paragus wants revenge and of course that revenge is directed at Vegeta. I'm totally on board even though I have some criticisms but once Broly is introduced suddenly that cliche yet still cool premise is sidelined because now a connection to Goku must be created and that 2 sequel creating connection is "He won't shut up and made me cry as a baby, I didn't like that very much". King Vegeta ordered Broly's death, his father is obsessed with this fact so I'm sure Broly knows about it but that is nothing in Broly's eyes compared to Goku's crying. Baby psychology is one thing but this idea got out of hand :/

I like the uncontrollable crazy Saiyan concept and the design of Broly, I oddly think he's adorable in base form but everything after the reveal is meaningless to me. I don't hate him I'm just disappointed that he and Paragus aren't the fleshed out interesting characters I feel they could've been especially since there is a clear conflict between them. I get kids maybe don't care about that and just wanna see stuff get smashed but he had so much potential in movie 8. 10 and 11 were needless travesties that just further proved why the premise for Broly was so silly.

I don't mind the inclusion of him in media I just wish he was explored more beyond being Super Saiyan Hulk. His fanbase though? I pay them no mind like many other facets of the fandom.