How strong was Fat Buu upon hatching?

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Re: How strong was Fat Buu upon hatching?

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:38 am

I think Galan's saying Fat Boo never powered-up before he attacked Dabra.
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Re: How strong was Fat Buu upon hatching?

Post by Galan007 » Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:28 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:I think Galan's saying Fat Boo never powered-up before he attacked Dabra.
Pretty much.

Despite him expelling steam, Fat Buu's massive increase in power wasn't noted(by anyone) until after he attacked Dabra with the eye-gouge+kick combo. That considered, it seems like Fat Buu was definitely suppressing his ki initially, which is why the noteworthy Z Fighters weren't really concerned by his power when he first hatched. However, when Buu tapped into his deep reservoir of ki to attack/own Dabra, the Z Fighters caught a glimpse of his true power, and damn-near crapped themselves.

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Re: How strong was Fat Buu upon hatching?

Post by dbgtFO » Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:47 pm

Galan007 wrote:
Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:I think Galan's saying Fat Boo never powered-up before he attacked Dabra.
Pretty much.

Despite him expelling steam, Fat Buu's massive increase in power wasn't noted(by anyone) until after he attacked Dabra with the eye-gouge+kick combo.
I'd think Gohan with his shocked expression is quite clearly intended to be him realizing Fat Buu powering up hugely.
Besides I really doubt no one claiming anything about his power until after the attack means, that Fat Buu hadn't powered up. It didn't make sense to put in dialougue at that point given Fat Buu was about to demonstrate his power anyway and the chapter was running out of pages.

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Re: How strong was Fat Buu upon hatching?

Post by Galan007 » Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:51 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
Galan007 wrote:
Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:I think Galan's saying Fat Boo never powered-up before he attacked Dabra.
Pretty much.

Despite him expelling steam, Fat Buu's massive increase in power wasn't noted(by anyone) until after he attacked Dabra with the eye-gouge+kick combo.
I'd think Gohan with his shocked expression is quite clearly intended to be him realizing Fat Buu powering up hugely.
Besides I really doubt no one claiming anything about his power until after the attack means, that Fat Buu hadn't powered up. It didn't make sense to put in dialougue at that point given Fat Buu was about to demonstrate his power anyway and the chapter was running out of pages.
I don't agree, because typically if a character experiences a massive spike in power, it is immediately noted by others.

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Re: How strong was Fat Buu upon hatching?

Post by dbgtFO » Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:58 pm

Galan007 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:I'd think Gohan with his shocked expression is quite clearly intended to be him realizing Fat Buu powering up hugely.
Besides I really doubt no one claiming anything about his power until after the attack means, that Fat Buu hadn't powered up. It didn't make sense to put in dialougue at that point given Fat Buu was about to demonstrate his power anyway and the chapter was running out of pages.
I don't agree, because typically if a character experiences a massive spike in power, it is immediately noted by others.
I feel that logic leaves something to be desired, when you can't even have Majin Buu start a fight without someone having to immediately comment on his increase in power. And that's what Gohan's reaction is there for anyway. The fact that he was left speechless until Majin Buu calmed down for a bit being used as an argument against an increase in power happening? Sorry, but I can only disagree with that.

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Re: How strong was Fat Buu upon hatching?

Post by Galan007 » Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:04 pm

dbgtFO wrote:I feel that logic leaves something to be desired, when you can't even have Majin Buu start a fight without someone having to immediately comment on his increase in power. And that's what Gohan's reaction is there for anyway. The fact that he was left speechless until Majin Buu calmed down for a bit being used as an argument against an increase in power happening? Sorry, but I can only disagree with that.
Buu hatches, the Z Fighters mock his power. Buu expels steam, no power increase is stated. Buu attacks/owns Dabra, and Gohan/Goku/Vegeta immediately comment on the huge spike in power they just sensed from him.

If you want to chalk that up to coincidence, then go right ahead. I disagree entirely, though.

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Re: How strong was Fat Buu upon hatching?

Post by dbgtFO » Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:21 pm

If it means I have to chalk it up to coincidence, then so be it, because it always seemed incredibly simple to me; Gohan says Fat Buu isn't all that, Fat Buu releases steam, Gohan's expression is that of clear shock, which we then see justified by Majin Buu kicking Dabra's ass.
Why else is Gohan given that expression? Come on now it isn't because he's always been scared of smoke or something. We see Buu kicking ass straight after and that makes it pretty clear what Gohan was reacting to. I just don't understand how you could reach your conclusion. If your theory came first and you are then trying to fit it in with, what we see or if that's genuinely how you always saw it.
I just can't understand that and with that it's probably best I just end it here.

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Re: How strong was Fat Buu upon hatching?

Post by Galan007 » Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:00 pm

dbgtFO wrote:If it means I have to chalk it up to coincidence, then so be it, because it always seemed incredibly simple to me; Gohan says Fat Buu isn't all that, Fat Buu releases steam, Gohan's expression is that of clear shock, which we then see justified by Majin Buu kicking Dabra's ass.
Why else is Gohan given that expression? Come on now it isn't because he's always been scared of smoke or something. We see Buu kicking ass straight after and that makes it pretty clear what Gohan was reacting to. I just don't understand how you could reach your conclusion. If your theory came first and you are then trying to fit it in with, what we see or if that's genuinely how you always saw it.
I just can't understand that and with that it's probably best I just end it here.
I'm reaching my conclusion by recalling exactly what we saw in the manga.

Buu hatches, the Z Fighters mock his power. Buu expels steam, no power increase is stated. Buu attacks/owns Dabra, and Gohan/Goku/Vegeta(along with Trunks/Goten) immediately comment on the huge spike in power they just sensed from him. My opinion is simply that Buu didn't really tap into his reservoir of power until the moment he began attacking Dabra. Imo, it's rather clear that was the case, given the statements made by multiple Z Fighters just after said ownage occurred. /shrug

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Re: How strong was Fat Buu upon hatching?

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:22 pm

Eh, I have to agree with dbgtFo. I think Gohan's reaction shows that Boo's power exploded right after the steam was released. Also, later when Vegeta mocks Fat Boo, he does the same thing there and Krillin immediately notes how his Chi just went up. I doubt the process was any different there.
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Re: How strong was Fat Buu upon hatching?

Post by EmmaWinters » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:19 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
Galan007 wrote:I think Fat Buu was suppressing his power when he first awoke. Initially, Goku/Vegeta/Gohan weren't overly impressed with his power--but when Buu attacked Dabra with an eye-gouge+kick combo, he tapped into the deep reservoir of power he was hiding without even formally powering up(he didn't expel any steam prior to this),
What do you mean? Fat Buu did let off steam before fighting Dabra :eh:
Correct. He let off steam at the very first opportunity.

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