Would you mind if Toriyama ditches the Final Chapter & Uub

[Lord Beerus]

I wish they'd just make a movie about Uub's training with Goku.

Motherfuckin this.

Then follow it up with a movie about Oob leading the new generation of fighters into becoming Earth's new heroes. Then I die happy.

[ZazamPow]

I don't see a problem with Uub injuring Goku since Goku didn't power up at all during the match, he was just testing Uub.

[rereboy]

I don't see a problem with Uub injuring Goku since Goku didn't power up at all during the match, he was just testing Uub.

The problem is Goku stating that someone else (aka Uub) might win the tournament.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Freeza and Cell rivaled Goku without training, so I don't see any reason why Uub can't. Just because he's the reincarnation of Buu doesn't mean he has the same power limit.

The same power limit after training and improving.

What you are suggesting is Uub being naturally and massively stronger than Kid Buu just because.

...just because Goku said someone else could win the tournament.

[UpFromTheSkies]

I don't see a problem with Uub injuring Goku since Goku didn't power up at all during the match, he was just testing Uub.

The problem is Goku stating that someone else (aka Uub) might win the tournament.

He may have also been sensing Uub's potential power when he said that, not knowing how much of it he could tap into.

[rereboy]

He may have also been sensing Uub's potential power when he said that, not knowing how much of it he could tap into.

To win against Goku and Vegeta, he would have to be massively stronger than Kid Buu. It doesn't make sense for Uub to be randomly massively stronger than Kid Buu.

I'm perfectly fine with Uub eventually becoming massively stronger than Kid Buu with training when he grows up. But him being that way in that tournament doesn't make sense.

[Zephyr]

I feel like they're going to go the route of "well Freeza was this naturally strong, and he had massive gains from training. This guy should naturally be even stronger, so the gains should be even more incredible. I'mma go train with him!"

People can kick and scream all they want under the random assumption that we know every single possible detail regarding Uub's power. But....we don't.

[rereboy]

...just because Goku said someone else could win the tournament.

Yes. Goku's statement makes perfect sense if we only consider the manga because it wouldn't be weird for Uub to be just as strong as Kid Buu and for that level of power to have a chance of winning agaisnt Goku and Vegeta.

It only stops making sense with these movies in which Goku and Vegeta are way stronger than Kid Buu and honestly it doesn't make sense for Uub to just be naturally way stronger than Kid Buu without any training.

I feel like they're going to go the route of "well Freeza was this naturally strong, and he had massive gains from training. This guy should naturally be even stronger, so the gains should be even more incredible. I'mma go train with him!"

That's all fine but doesn't really explain why Goku thought that they might lose the tournament at that point.

People can kick and scream all they want under the random assumption that we know every single possible detail regarding Uub's power. But....we don't.

I don't really think we need to know every single detail about Uub to realize that it doesn't make much sense for Uub, as a kid, without any training, to be massively stronger than Kid Buu.

[sintzu]

getting rid of that sorry excuse of an ending and character will be the best thing he can do moving foreword.

(assuming there is a next movie)

If FNF does as well as BOG or better I'm sure we'll get more then one.

I wish they'd just make a movie about Uub's training with Goku.

Then follow it up with a movie about Oob leading the new generation of fighters into becoming Earth's new heroes.

That's one way to kill the franchise.

[Dayspring]

He may have also been sensing Uub's potential power when he said that, not knowing how much of it he could tap into.

To win against Goku and Vegeta, he would have to be massively stronger than Kid Buu. It doesn't make sense for Uub to be randomly massively stronger than Kid Buu.

I'm perfectly fine with Uub eventually becoming massively stronger than Kid Buu with training when he grows up. But him being that way in that tournament doesn't make sense.

Of course it does. We don't know what Kid Buu's potential is, we don't know what Uub's potential is, and we don't know what the combined potential of Kid Buu's reincarnated soul inside Uub will be. That's what made Goku want to fight him and what made him say it's possible Goku and Vegeta might lose: Uub is a massive unknown other than the fact that he should be "hella strong." You're assuming training is needed to unlock Kid Buu's potential when the implication in the manga is that reincarnation should make Uub stronger by default.

In fact, Kid Buu being reincarnated implies that Uub might be able to tap into Godly Ki with ease. However, because Uub's natural strength is Kid Buu's, that means his increase would be bigger than Goku's.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Well as I said, Goku was probably sensing Uub's potential power, not knowing if he could fully tap into it, which is why he said someone else might win the tournament, not that someone else will win the tournament. And I see no reason why his potential power can't exceed Kid Buu, even as a child.

[rereboy]

His potential power is the power he can eventually get in the future. That is why its potential power, not actual power.

And if Uub could just access all his possible potential without any training, then there's no reason for Kid Buu not being able to do it. So, we end up with Uub being massively stronger than Kid Buu just because.

[Chuquita]

I'm ok (mostly) with then ditching EoZ if Toriyama were to decide to do that. I always felt EoZ felt like more a setup for GT than anything else. Also not a fan of Gokû ditching everyone at the end. I'd miss EoZ child Pan and Bra, but I'd get over it.

[MajinVegetaPD]

They should remove the final chapter and Uub for sure. After BOG and the upcoming movie I don't see how Uub can still be relevant anymore.

[rereboy]

You're assuming training is needed to unlock Kid Buu's potential when the implication in the manga is that reincarnation should make Uub stronger by default.

There's no such implication at all.

Goku is excited because Kid Buu was very strong and probably had a lot of potential. Thus, Uub should be that way too and Goku likes that. But there's no reason for him to be massively stronger than Kid Buu at that tournament with no training.

[UpFromTheSkies]

But there's no reason for him to be massively stronger than Kid Buu at that tournament with no training.

You keep saying this, but I see no reason he couldn't be born with that much power. Some people are just born with greater power and potential than others, no need for an explanation beyond that.

[fadeddreams5]

Whatever Toriyama does with Uub will inevitably be painfully disappointing, so I'm all for him retconning all of EoZ.

[Zephyr]

Let's ignore the two new films for just a moment.

SSj3 Goku was on par with Kid Buu during their fight, and the only reason Goku wasn't able to gain the upper hand was because of his regeneration and SSj3's energy drain. Goku has since trained, at least a little bit, surely. Uub lacks Kid Buu's regeneration. Feel free to correct me on any of these. Goku almost must be assuming that Uub will have access to at least high SSj2 levels of power, without training, if he's to beat Vegeta.

Even if we remove God ki from the equation, it makes no sense for Goku to think that Uub might win the tournament. The "problem" is there whether or not the new films exist.

It sounds to me like either way Goku is talking out of his ass and trying to hype things up. The fact that we see Uub in fact would have lost to Goku, had Goku not taunted him and ended the match to go train, means Goku was wrong altogether. Just because Character A uttered a speculative sentence that possibly implies something about the potential power of Character B (who we haven't seen yet) doesn't mean that the sentence was informed, accurate, concrete, factual, worth losing sleep over, etc.

[Bullza]

I wouldn't be ok with it. They could just make new films after EoZ by the time they came to that.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Even if we remove God ki from the equation, it makes no sense for Goku to think that Uub might win the tournament.

Why not? Goku could have sensed that Uub had a latent power that exceeds SSJG and Kid Buu, and not knowing if he could tap into, made the comment that someone else might win the tournament.

It sounds to me like either way Goku is talking out of his ass and trying to hype things up. The fact that we see Uub in fact would have lost to Goku, had Goku not taunted him and ended the match to go train, means Goku was wrong altogether

It doesn't mean Goku was wrong, it means that Uub couldn't fully tap into his power yet. If Goku would have said someone else would definitely win, then he would be wrong, but he said they might win, not knowing if Uub could use all of his power.