Frieza has some powerful henchmen in RoF?

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Re: Freeza has some powerful henchmen in RoF?

Post by Rocketman » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:35 pm

Why? I watched the trailers and didn't like anything about them. Are the trailers not supposed to represent the movie?

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:40 pm

Then just don't watch the movie and move on to things you presumably do still like, rather than choosing any and every opportunity to go 'Nope, this sucks'.
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Re: Freeza has some powerful henchmen in RoF?

Post by Angelus » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:54 pm

But... the only modern DBZ things are Goku and Friends Return, Episode of Bardock, Plan to Exterminate Saiyans Remake, One Piece X Something X DBZ, and then the BoG movie. Everything else was back in the 90s and 2000. XD

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Re: Freeza has some powerful henchmen in RoF?

Post by Zephyr » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:14 am

Angelus wrote:The hell? So, right off the bat, Freeza already has a henchman that's more powerful than Piccolo and Mystic Gohan? WTF?
Well, fourth months off the bat.

It's odd, but we really don't know enough to conclude whether or not it's 'inconsistent' or not. Sure, we can predict, induct, and speculate, but it's not gonna be much more than that for the time being.
Rocketman wrote:Why? I watched the trailers and didn't like anything about them. Are the trailers not supposed to represent the movie?
If you're trying to form and articulate a viewpoint worth reading or entertaining in the least bit, I don't know why on earth you would want to judge a book by its its cover and nothing more. It's a really poor epistemic foundation for a critique, which makes said critique complete baseless nonsense/spam/conjecture for the time being. You're better than this, man.

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Post by rereboy » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:08 am

Lord Beerus wrote:Why is the idea that any of Freeza's henchmen being stronger than some of the main cast such an alien concept to some people?
Because that means that those henchmen would be able to one-shot 100% Freeza prior to his training.

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Re: Freeza has some powerful henchmen in RoF?

Post by xJeffx » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:24 am

Maybe some of his henchmen train with Frieza and got stronger.

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Post by rereboy » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:34 am

xJeffx wrote:Maybe some of his henchmen train with Freeza and got stronger.
Possible, but the whole justification for Freeza to gain so much power is because he is such a prodigy that he only has to train for 4 months to improve that much. For his henchmen to improve that much in the same time, they would also have to be prodigies like Freeza. Which is very sketchy...

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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:54 am

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xJeffx wrote:Maybe some of his henchmen train with Freeza and got stronger.
Possible, but the whole justification for Freeza to gain so much power is because he is such a prodigy that he only has to train for 4 months to improve that much. For his henchmen to improve that much in the same time, they would also have to be prodigies like Freeza. Which is very sketchy...
Some races are just more advanced or just naturally stronger, just like Freeza's race. That's how its always been in Dragon Ball.

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Re: Freeza has some powerful henchmen in RoF?

Post by rereboy » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:24 am

Lord Beerus wrote: Some races are just more advanced or just naturally stronger, just like Freeza's race. That's how its always been in Dragon Ball.
I don't see how that makes sense. Freeza's family ruled precisely because it had, by far, the most gifted/powerful fighters. Freeza even mentioned, during the fight with Goku, that he couldn't imagine that someone would surpass Ginyu, and he was only 120,000 in battle power. And now, random henchmen are as gifted as they were...? Very, VERY, sketchy.

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Post by Rocketman » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:46 am

So if Freeza had done some pushups during the week of waiting on Namek/the months before coming to Earth, he would've easily ripped SS Goku/Trunks in half and there's nothing anybody could've done about it.

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Re: Freeza has some powerful henchmen in RoF?

Post by dbgtFO » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:19 pm

It's obvious that the Red Bull Demon Guy is a merger of all the fallen or remaining henchmen :P
Maybe in those 4 months Sorbet acquired the power to merge people with his ring.

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Post by Diotor » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:40 pm

Rocketman wrote:So if Freeza had done some pushups during the week of waiting on Namek/the months before coming to Earth, he would've easily ripped SS Goku/Trunks in half and there's nothing anybody could've done about it.
I think if Freeza could gain some kind of potential unlock similar to what Guru did to Krillin/Gohan on Namek combined with actually bothering to put some effort into his training/his skills, I can quite easily see him having a gigantic potential power increase. His 100% form is still pretty comparable to any base Saiyan in the original Z run (if not more powerful) so I don't see why he can't go way above this.

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Re: Freeza has some powerful henchmen in RoF?

Post by The Monkey King » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:02 pm

Maybe Freeza got recruits from the demon realm.
That guy could be Dabura level... I hope.

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Re: Freeza has some powerful henchmen in RoF?

Post by sayian_nation_ » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:38 pm

Rocketman wrote:Why? I watched the trailers and didn't like anything about them. Are the trailers not supposed to represent the movie?
Yes but isn't that like judging a book by its cover?

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Re: Freeza has some powerful henchmen in RoF?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:42 pm

Saiyan_nation_ wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Why? I watched the trailers and didn't like anything about them. Are the trailers not supposed to represent the movie?
Yes but isn't that like judging a book by its cover?
No, it's like ripping 5 or 6 random pages out of a book, sticking them together in random order, and judging the book by that.
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Re: Freeza has some powerful henchmen in RoF?

Post by rereboy » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:46 pm

Saiyan_nation_ wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Why? I watched the trailers and didn't like anything about them. Are the trailers not supposed to represent the movie?
Yes but isn't that like judging a book by its cover?
Not really, the cover hardly tells you anything about the book, just like the cover of the DVD/bluray doesn't compare to a trailer regarding how it represents the movie. A trailer is more than that, it presents to you portions of the movie, offers you a brief exposition of what the movie is about, and it tries to capture your interest. Its perfectly possible to not like the trailer and like the movie, but a trailer for the movie is much more than the cover of the dvd/bluray.

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Re: Freeza has some powerful henchmen in RoF?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:56 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Saiyan_nation_ wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Why? I watched the trailers and didn't like anything about them. Are the trailers not supposed to represent the movie?
Yes but isn't that like judging a book by its cover?
No, it's like ripping 5 or 6 random pages out of a book, sticking them together in random order, and judging the book by that.
Perfect analogy for it, because while I agree that judging a book by it's cover (while the first phrase that would come to mind) isn't really accurate for this...your description still highlights why it's still not an ideal way to judge something.
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Re: Freeza has some powerful henchmen in RoF?

Post by Rocketman » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:11 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Saiyan_nation_ wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Why? I watched the trailers and didn't like anything about them. Are the trailers not supposed to represent the movie?
Yes but isn't that like judging a book by its cover?
No, it's like ripping 5 or 6 random pages out of a book, sticking them together in random order, and judging the book by that.
No, it's like somebody giving you 5 pages selected because they think those pages will give an idea of what the book is about and get you interested in reading the whole thing.

And by like, I mean is.

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Re: Freeza has some powerful henchmen in RoF?

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:10 pm

Rocketman wrote:No, it's like somebody giving you 5 pages selected because they think those pages will give an idea of what the book is about and get you interested in reading the whole thing.

And by like, I mean is.
So by your logic, if I read the first five pages of A Storm of Swords, and don't find anything compelling, then the rest of the book is bound to be shit.

You really see everything a glass half empty, Rocketman. :|

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Re: Freeza has some powerful henchmen in RoF?

Post by rereboy » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:17 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Rocketman wrote:No, it's like somebody giving you 5 pages selected because they think those pages will give an idea of what the book is about and get you interested in reading the whole thing.

And by like, I mean is.
So by your logic, if I read the first five pages of A Storm of Swords, and don't find anything compelling, then the rest of the book is bound to be shit.

You really see everything a glass half empty, Rocketman. :|
Are the first 5 pages of that book carefully selected to present the book and why you should read it? Because a trailer actually is a carefully selected montage of portions of the movie to represent the movie and what it is about to try to compel you to watch it. That was Rocketman's point.

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