So, Quality control at Toei is not a thing?

[ABED]

How about everyone remember it's a discussion of Toei and not an e-penis fight over whether people like Apple and Jobs or not.

The example goes to the heart of the matter.

[Bardo117]

I love Steve Jobs, he was the greatest thief we've ever witnessed, and one of the greatest company leaders of all time,

[TripleRach]

It's fine to make a few comparisons about the way companies are run, but this is not a thread for Steve Jobs jokes.

[JulieYBM]

Toei Animation produced something like five hundred weekly television episodes last year. I'll count them all eventually, but suffice it to say when you are producing that much, television specials, commercials video game cut scenes and more all in a twelve month period one is going to run low on staff. This is to say nothing of the entire industry putting out 170 weekly series in 2014.

One also has to factor in the other production committee members not properly ordering series in advance.

[Bardo117]

Steve Jobs is the GOAT

[bleed0range]

I think it's evident that TOEI is cheap and unwilling to pump large sums of money into the production of animated dragon ball because the returns are huge and even more huge if they cut costs to a minimum... they treat it like that doesn't matter. They seemed to care when it came to movies in the 90s, but the anime itself was a mess. It only had to be good enough to sell everything else. They probably think "the kids won't really care." I am confident the animators were the ones who pushed for production values to go up and the time to be taken animating the important episodes in s higher quality.

They certainly don't seem to see the franchise as something that needs to have the "best" animation.

And just to touch on Steve Jobs, he was neither a hack nor a thief. He merely took ideas that existed and tried to make them better for the average person to use. More practical, better looking and easier to use. He did it first and foremost to satisfy his desire for something better that didn't yet exist and in that way was a marketing genius able to reach people because he knew what they wanted.

[JulieYBM]

How time and resources are spent on the series is typically up to the series director and production desk not 'the animators'. It isn't like Nishio Daisuke was a money-minded corporate suit, he was a director who wanted to make the best series he could. Hosoda Masahiro and Yamamuro Tadayoshi are the same, although whether one could call them good at their jobs is an entirely different question.

[bleed0range]

How time and resources are spent on the series is typically up to the series director and production desk not 'the animators'. It isn't like Nishio Daisuke was a money-minded corporate suit, he was a director who wanted to make the best series he could. Hosoda Masahiro and Yamamuro Tadayoshi are the same, although whether one could call them good at their jobs is an entirely different question.

My point was that it wasn't TOEI as a company that would want more time/funding/etc on certain important episodes, it was those involved in the show (the artists - whether that's a director or an animator or whatever) and they likely pushed to get those portions of the show up to as high of a quality as they could. But ultimately it was TOEI as a company calling the shots who produced the series in an extremely cheap fashion and I doubt they cared so much about "the art" or "the story."

[Kakacarrottop]

"Quality control" is always going to be hard when you're essentially a battery farm that produces cartoons.

[Vijay]

DragonBall back in the days (1986-1995) was at absolute peak of Anime.

TOEI must've made shit ton of money in that 10+ years, besides making a killing on merchandise, games, cards & whatnot.

Ordinary shows like Inuyasha with terrible anime adaptation gets special care by Sunrise. HXH & FMAB got nice adaptation with great Q.C

DragonBall sadly gets stucked with TOEI & fans can only dream about the days it gets one.

[coola]

Toei recent strategy is quanity over quality, they started produce lots of anime, with unfortunately makes quality suffer (Kai and Crystal, but with Crystal, they at least fix some animation errors for home releases) while DB was very popular franchise, it seems like their main focus is Pretty Cure, while HaCha had lots of questionable animation issues, current Princess Precure have really beautiful animation, and very well choreographed fights, even in last filler episode, fight was awesome.

[shinmaru]

Don't know how much money they pump into Naruto? but the animation looks pretty good.
Maybe Toei mess up because DBZ is drawn different then most Anime. So It's harder to find good animators for it.

[SonEric84]

Wait, is the idol group's song or even a clip of it available yet? If so, I'd like to hear it out of curiosity.

[JulieYBM]

Don't know how much money they pump into Naruto? but the animation looks pretty good.
Maybe Toei mess up because DBZ is drawn different then most Anime. So It's harder to find good animators for it.

Quite a bit, on occasion. The average episodes have about 3,000-4,000 drawings per episode. The episodes with the super-talented staff get much higher allowances, though. Yamashita Hiroyuki's episodes (Shippuuden #322, #345 and #375) probably use nearly 10,000 sheets. At the very least it is a high enough number of sheets for young action animator Kobayashi Naoki to show off his skills for longer fight scenes that what Dragon Ball was allowed. Sessha Gorou's episodes as episode director (Shippuuden #180, #194, #234 and Naruto SD Episode #51) tend to use a higher number of sheets, too. Sessha was also the animation supervisor for Nigorikawa Atsushi's Shippuuden #143, which had quite a bit of action. Tsuru Toshiyuki's episodes (which usually have Character Designer Suzuki Hirofumi as his animation supervisor) also use a high number of sheets. Wakabayashi Atsushi takes the cake, though. For Naruto Shippuuden Episode #167 he gave 5,500 or so sheets to Yamashita Shingo for his six-to-seven minute segment at the beginning of the episode. After that there was still enough drawings for Kutsuna Ken'ichi to do a segment and for Matsumoto Norio to do the last third of the episode.

From what I heard Dragon Ball Z was only ever allowed 3,500 sheets per episode. Naruto gets away with more thanks to having good in-house animators and strong connections with freelancers who can use their number of sheets to maximum effect.

[funrush]

Assuming this girly idol song being talked about is the one during the second half of the big trailer, it just seems like a Dragon Ball adventure-y fight song. The only reason it seems girly is because girls are singing it.

I'd say Sailor Moon and Dragon Ball are around the same level of popularity, so Toei putting that extra care into totally reanimating Sailor Moon is an interesting move. Maybe they realized what they did with Kai didn't really work exceptionally well. I mean Kai sold pretty well, especially in overseas markets, but that may have been solely because it's Dragon Ball, and not because they did a fantastic job or anything. I don't know how well Crystal is doing/did, but I'd be interested to see.

[JulieYBM]

Toei Animation uploads their IR reports publically for viewing.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Assuming this girly idol song being talked about is the one during the second half of the big trailer, it just seems like a Dragon Ball adventure-y fight song. The only reason it seems girly is because girls are singing it.

I'd say Sailor Moon and Dragon Ball are around the same level of popularity, so Toei putting that extra care into totally reanimating Sailor Moon is an interesting move. Maybe they realized what they did with Kai didn't really work exceptionally well. I mean Kai sold pretty well, especially in overseas markets, but that may have been solely because it's Dragon Ball, and not because they did a fantastic job or anything. I don't know how well Crystal is doing/did, but I'd be interested to see.

I'm one of the few people that likes Crystal and even I wouldnt say that they put "extra care" into totally reanimating Sailor Moon. They cared enough to reanimate it sure, but you can rest assured they would do Sailor Moon Kai had Junichi Sato and Kunihiko Ikuhara not deviated from the manga the way they did. Even I joined the animation snobs when I saw the new transformations are just the same ones from the first arc but with the new toys---ERRRR---Transformation Items. And if that didnt convert me, Sailor Moon performing Moon Princess Halation with THE FRIGGIN MOON STICK from the first Arc. They literally got so lazy that they just used the old animation without adding the new Weapon Sailor Moon uses to do Moon Princess Halation. I really dont mind wonky or flawed animation as most do BUT GOD.

[ss4songoku]

Where is all this negativity regarding the quality of the animation coming from? I've seen the trailers for RF and I see nothing wrong with it, the animation looks exactly the same as BOG. They're obviously keeping the best fight sequences and and animation under wraps so there is something left to look forward to at the theater. A trailer is just meant to give the fans a tiny taste of what's to come. It's crazy to me that people are judging an entire film by it's trailer. At least see the whole movie before making assumptions.

[sintzu]

Where is all this negativity regarding the quality of the animation coming from ?

People around here for some reason will stop the trailer or episode every second and pick out things that no one can notice unless they do the same which is something I doubt 99% of people watching will even think of doing.

[rereboy]

Its not like the animation has very noticeable flaws or anything... Its the people who are negative...