Goku and Superman Popularity

GokuRules987 · Post by **GokuRules987** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:31 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Well, that just about kills the credibility of the OP.

That proves jack shit!!! just look at the years from 2005 and before the Christianity was obviously more popular because after 9/11 there has been a lot of religious controversy of possibility of world war 3 and bible prediction of end of the world and other shit. But then after some years it started to quiet down again and today more people are more likely to be informed and less conservative than they were 10 years ago.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:37 am

GokuRules987 wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Well, that just about kills the credibility of the OP.
That proves jack shit!!! just look at the years from 2005 and before the Christianity was obviously more popular because after 9/11 there has been a lot of religious controversy of possibility of world war 3 and bible prediction of end of the world and other shit. But then after some years it started to quiet down again and today more people are more likely to be informed and less conservative than they were 10 years ago.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Christianity is a religion with billions of practitioners. Billions. Over a quarter of the population of the planet identifies as Christian.

Dragon Ball doesn't even begin to even think of comparing to that. Your popularity tester thing is flat-out wrong.

GokuRules987 · Post by **GokuRules987** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:45 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
GokuRules987 wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Well, that just about kills the credibility of the OP.
That proves jack shit!!! just look at the years from 2005 and before the Christianity was obviously more popular because after 9/11 there has been a lot of religious controversy of possibility of world war 3 and bible prediction of end of the world and other shit. But then after some years it started to quiet down again and today more people are more likely to be informed and less conservative than they were 10 years ago.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Christianity is a religion with billions of practitioners. Billions. Nearly a quarter of the population of the planet identifies as Christian.

Dragon Ball doesn't even begin to even think of comparing to that. Your popularity tester thing is flat-out wrong.

And what you fail to realize is that were comparing this thru how many users on internet has searched these 2 words on Google. This graph shows that there are more people on the internet that typed the word Dragon Ball than people that typed the word Christianity, thats not including Christian or Christians.

Even if more people know about Christianity, More people are discussing about dragon ball right now on the internet than they are discussing about Christianity..

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:06 am

GokuRules987 wrote: And what you fail to realize is that were comparing this thru how many users on internet has searched these 2 words on Google. This graph shows that there are more people on the internet that typed the word Dragon Ball than people that typed the word Christianity, thats not including Christian or Christians.

Even if more people know about Christianity, More people are discussing about dragon ball right now on the internet than they are discussing about Christianity..

No, that's not what you've been saying at all. Everyone else has pretty much pegged this thing as faulty from the beginning, but you've been using it as an excuse to promote Goku's popularity overall, not just online.

You said in your opening post that Goku is more popular than Superman right now, and this chart thing was your evidence. Not once did you say that this was only concerning Internet chatter. That's what the chart is looking for, but your post is talking about overall popularity and impact.

Rocketman then posts his thing, to show you how obviously flawed your whole system was. But you don't get that. You seriously think that the Dragon Ball franchise is more popular and culturally significant than the LARGEST RELIGION ON THE PLANET!

Leaving aside that you seriously think there is more discussion on Dragon Ball Z on the Internet than Christianity, you cannot honestly tell me that you believe Dragon Ball is bigger than, and I repeat myself, "THE LARGEST RELIGION ON THE PLANET.

You've made yourself look completely ridiculous, and have practically no credibility, but feel free to think what you want. I'm guessing this is part of your weird obsession to have Goku be #1 in everything, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously after this.

And after checking this thing out for myself, you're whole thing about using Dragon Ball instead of Goku doesn't even make sense, because the search DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN SUPERMAN THE CHARACTER AND SUPERMAN THE COMIC/MOVIE! You tilted in in favor of Goku from the beginning. So yeah, this whole thing is just a really bad joke.

Bullza · Post by **Bullza** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:32 am

Sure is a lot of whining going on in this thread. The OP made a simple chart comparison.

Dragon Ball is a very frequently searched for term because it's a highly popular series. It's obviously not as famous or as big as the Superman franchise but yeah I'd say it is arguably a more popular franchise. Superman has the big movies every now and then but other than that nothing which tops DBZ's consistent popularity.

Also comparing a franchise to a religion is like comparing it to type of food. Comparing it to other franchises is a much fairer and more accurate comparison.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:40 am

Bullza wrote:Sure is a lot of whining going on in this thread. The OP made a simple chart comparison.

Dragon Ball is a very frequently searched for term because it's a highly popular series. It's obviously not as famous or as big as the Superman franchise but yeah I'd say it is arguably a more popular franchise. Superman has the big movies every now and then but other than that nothing which tops DBZ's consistent popularity.

Also comparing a franchise to a religion is like comparing it to type of food. Comparing it to other franchises is a much fairer and more accurate comparison.

The OP made a chart comparison, and then claimed that to be representative of the popularity as a whole, after rigging the search to begin with. The search already differentiates between searches for characters and searches for franchises. He got all mad when Superman beat Goku, so he tried running the Dragon Ball franchise against a single character.

These were the results when comparing Goku with Marvel and DC's most popular characters.

It cut the names off the top, but you can still see them in order at the bottom. Goku gets crushed almost 2 to 1 by Superman, and almost 4 to 1 by Spider-Man and Batman. Even Iron Man edges out ahead of him.

So yeah. The thing was a biased joke from the beginning.

Bullza · Post by **Bullza** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:25 am

Yeah I see what he did but it might be unfair to say he was doing it to make it look better than it is. If he was just trying to compare characters then I can see what he was trying to do, it just doesn't that way obviously.

Frankly I'm amazed that "Goku" is even comparable to Iron Man to begin with. Going by that list of yours in recent months Goku has actually been searched for more than Iron Man and isn't far off Superman and those are franchise names and with The Avengers 2 right around the corner too.

From the looks of it Goku is searched for far more than Wolverine and Captain America too. Interesting.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:29 am

Bullza wrote:Yeah I see what he did but it might be unfair to say he was doing it to make it look better than it is. If he was just trying to compare characters then I can see what he was trying to do, it just doesn't that way obviously.

Frankly I'm amazed that "Goku" is even comparable to Iron Man to begin with. Going by that list of yours in recent months Goku has actually been searched for more than Iron Man and isn't far off Superman and those are franchise names and with The Avengers 2 right around the corner too.

From the looks of it Goku is searched for far more than Wolverine and Captain America too. Interesting.

Yeah, I was actually a bit surprised at the Iron Man one myself.

I'm not sure about the Wolverine one, though, since when you look at the options it gives you, it says "Logan," not "Wolverine." I'm not sure if that affects anything, but you don't see "Spider-Man" being redirected to "Peter Parker." And Wolverine has been roughly on par with Spider-Man as Marvel's flagship character for over a decade now, so I think that one's a bit messed up.

As for the OP's attitude towards this, that's what he does in practically every post he's made on the forum, so it's really not a stretch to assume he's doing it here too.

GokuRules987 · Post by **GokuRules987** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:30 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote: The OP made a chart comparison, and then claimed that to be representative of the popularity as a whole, after rigging the search to begin with. The search already differentiates between searches for characters and searches for franchises. He got all mad when Superman beat Goku, so he tried running the Dragon Ball franchise against a single character.

These were the results when comparing Goku with Marvel and DC's most popular characters.

It cut the names off the top, but you can still see them in order at the bottom. Goku gets crushed almost 2 to 1 by Superman, and almost 4 to 1 by Spider-Man and Batman. Even Iron Man edges out ahead of him.

So yeah. The thing was a biased joke from the beginning.

Atleast try to photoshop that chart down. and no i never stated that dragon ball was always more popular than Superman in terms of its influence over the span of decades. Superman might be the most known super hero in the world but what i am trying to say is that Goku is not that far behind the cyber popularity compared to Superman when it comes to people interest. The Data is pretty consistent since its shows how superman popularity sky rocketed during 2006 which was when they first had that Superman returns movie hype going on. This is not only comparing superman as a fictional character but we are also comparing entertainment movie product which is unfair to match against a fictional character like Goku who comes from Dragon Ball . But after we compare Dragon ball to Superman we find out that Dragon ball in terms of cyber popularity has more people searching it up on the internet than Superman.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:36 am

GokuRules987 wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote: The OP made a chart comparison, and then claimed that to be representative of the popularity as a whole, after rigging the search to begin with. The search already differentiates between searches for characters and searches for franchises. He got all mad when Superman beat Goku, so he tried running the Dragon Ball franchise against a single character.

These were the results when comparing Goku with Marvel and DC's most popular characters.

It cut the names off the top, but you can still see them in order at the bottom. Goku gets crushed almost 2 to 1 by Superman, and almost 4 to 1 by Spider-Man and Batman. Even Iron Man edges out ahead of him.

So yeah. The thing was a biased joke from the beginning.
Atleast try to photoshop that chart down. and no i never stated that dragon ball was always more popular than Superman in terms of its influence over the span of decades. Superman might be the most known super hero in the world but what i am trying to say is that Goku is not that far behind the cyber popularity compared to Superman when it comes to people interest. The Data is pretty consistent since its shows how superman popularity sky rocketed during 2006 which was when they first had that Superman returns movie hype going on. This is not only comparing superman as a fictional character but we are also comparing entertainment movie product which is unfair to match against a fictional character like Goku who comes from Dragon Ball . But after we compare Dragon ball to Superman we find out that Dragon ball in terms of cyber popularity has more people searching it up on the internet than Superman.

According to your own source, on average, Goku has only a little over half the searches that Superman has.

Your whole reasoning is flawed when the search options actually differentiate between Superman the Character and Superman the Franchise. That one I posted compared Goku to Superman. Not Dragon Ball to the Superman franchise. What's consistent is Superman being ahead of Goku the entire time, aside from them being about equal around the time Battle of Gods came out.

You are the one who is trying to compare a franchise to a single character.

Bullza · Post by **Bullza** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:45 am

I'm not sure about the Wolverine one, though, since when you look at the options it gives you, it says "Logan," not "Wolverine." I'm not sure if that affects anything, but you don't see "Spider-Man" being redirected to "Peter Parker."

Well I'm sure the overwhelming majority search for Wolverine. Additionally Goku is also searched for more than Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, The Flash and is around the same as Hulk. Though those don't necessarily surprise me it is saying something when DBZ all finished like a decade ago while these other characters have had constantly running comics and even films.

Superman might be the most known super hero in the world but what i am trying to say is that Goku is not that far behind the cyber popularity compared to Superman when it comes to people interest.

He probably isn't, that Superman vs Goku deathbattle has been viewed 20+ million views and has a huge amount of dislikes because people really wanted Goku to win because he's liked so much. I've never seen that kind of reception on a Death Battle video.

Of course Dragon Ball gets searched for so much because it's easy to find the episodes and the manga online and that's how a lot of people watch or read it, that's how I got into it.

I wouldn't be surprised if there really were more Dragon Ball fans than Superman fans.

GokuRules987 · Post by **GokuRules987** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:48 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote: Your whole reasoning is flawed when the search options actually differentiate between Superman the Character and Superman the Franchise. That one I posted compared Goku to Superman. Not Dragon Ball to the Superman franchise. What's consistent is Superman being ahead of Goku the entire time, aside from them being about equal around the time Battle of Gods came out.

You are the one who is trying to compare a franchise to a single character.

Your missing the damn point again! The whole chart shows that it includes both comics, movies of superman to justify its popularity which still fails to surpass DBZ. You can go to Google trends right now and just type Superman without categorizing to movies, comics or fictional character and you will still see that Dragon ball is still getting more searches than entire Superman franchise is.

Want to see the difference between Superman Comic book series and Dragon ball Manga?

People that discuss and look up superman comics book series are the minority compared to how many people discuss and still look up and discuss dragon ball manga series.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:59 am

You're ignoring what the thing is actually looking up.

When you type "Dragon Ball" into Google, the first thing that pops up is Wikipedia page to Dragon Ball franchise.

When you type "Superman" into Google, the first thing that pops up is the Wikipedia page for the character of Superman.

A single big Superman "series" doesn't pop up because there isn't just one single big Superman "series." There are dozens. That's why your site is useless for comparing the two franchises. In case you didn't notice, there are zero searches under "Superman:Series." That's because the Superman "series" doesn't exist.

When you do the search of just the terms, without specifying what you are looking for, you tilt it towards Dragon Ball even more. Because now it's "Superman" (one term) against "Dragon," "Ball," and "Dragon Ball." Three terms.

Bullza · Post by **Bullza** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:13 am

I'm pretty sure the term "Superman" on the graph isn't refering to anything specifically but the term overall as it's been searched.

In that regard more people type "Dragon Ball" into Google than they do "Superman". So it's basically this

https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore ... cmpt=q&tz=

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:28 am

Bullza wrote:I'm pretty sure the term "Superman" on the graph isn't refering to anything specifically but the term overall as it's been searched.

In that regard more people type "Dragon Ball" into Google than they do "Superman". So it's basically this

https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore ... cmpt=q&tz=

http://trends.google.com/trends/explore ... cmpt=q&tz=
Notice how the supposedly broader search is lower than the specified one? Why would the overall term be less than the specified one?

The difference is that Dragon Ball is a "centralized" franchise. Regardless of what it is, it all falls under the "Dragon Ball:Series" heading.

Superman is "decentralized." There is no one Superman series. There are dozens, if not hundreds of them by this point. No one searches for THE Superman series because, as a overall term, it doesn't exist. For Dragon Ball it does.

Like, type "Superman series" in Google, and compare what you see with what happens when you type "Dragon Ball series." The two are structured so radically differently that this kind of "test" is useless for comparing them.

Bullza · Post by **Bullza** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:01 am

The lines are practically identical. The Superman (Fictional superhero) term is not only referring to the character, it refers to everything that includes the word Superman. Superman and any other words in addition to that count towards that Superman term.

If someone typed Superman Returns, Superman 64, Superman movies etc all of that would be included with the Superman term on that graph.

Superman (Fictional superhero) is a centralised term for everything that includes the word Superman in it which is pretty much most of the franchise outside of things like Man of Steel.

All these different terms don't stack together.

Just like how Dragon Ball can refer to Z, GT, manga, anime, movies, Xenoverse etc

Polyphase Avatron · Post by **Polyphase Avatron** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:21 am

If people really think that Google Trends are the best way to judge things, then everyone has to bow to the undisputed victor:

GokuRules987 · Post by **GokuRules987** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:20 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:If people really think that Google Trends are the best way to judge things, then everyone has to bow to the undisputed victor:

See thats a pretty consistent data! Its no brainer that more people in the world search up porn on the internet than Dragon ball, Superman in all of the years combined.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:39 am

GokuRules987 wrote:
See thats a pretty consistent data! Its no brainer that more people in the world search up porn on the internet than Dragon ball, Superman in all of the years combined.

Just give up...

Bullza · Post by **Bullza** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:48 pm

Facebook I think is the most searched for term on Google, it makes "Porn" look like nothing. It does seem to be losing popularity quickly though as it's at it's lowest point in over 5 years but even then it's still twice as high as "Youtube".

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