Uubs potential?

[Berserker1921]

But do you think he has human restrictions like krillin and tien? What I mean is that sayians have zenkai boost and well frieza is a mutant. But do you think uub would have human limitations or do you think he has a body like buu?

[Saiga]

If that's the case, then possibly Godly Ki, but it's really vague, so I don't think we should class it as one.

Well, the definition of plot hole is "is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation." People love to throw the word around all the time, but in actuality, it is very hard for something to truly be a plot hole.

The Red Ribbon example you listed above is, because there's no way of working around it. We have strict, known rules for the Dragon Balls, and they were violated. Ergo, plot hole.

The inconsistencies in BoG and such are vague enough to be worked around. Ergo, they are inconsistencies, not plot holes.

I have to disagree with that definition. You can come up for an explanation for literally anything.

Nowhere in the manga is it said that chapter 55 takes place immediately after chapter 54. That's just implied from Goku noticing it has just become morning.

Just going from the manga, we could easily say that Goku spent 4 months searching without using the Dragon Radar, because he doesn't use it in the chapter when he leaves. This is a pretty unlikely explanation, due to the manga offering absolutely no hint of this, but that's how people explain their plot holes.

It's also a bit misleading to say that's the definition of a plot hole. That's a definition, from Wikipedia. The same page offers another definition in the same paragraph "...contradictions in a screenplay...[which] can both be mentioned on paper or implied by the premise and universe of the screenplay". Nothing there says it has to be completely inexplicable.

For ways to define a plot hole, there is a fine line between making the definition too narrow (nothing can be a plot hole) or making it too broad (resulting in anything not made explicit a plot hole). The best definition I've seen has been a pretty simple one: there is a plot hole wherever the viewer has to supply the explanation themselves. Because by doing so, there are filling that hole. The ability to do so doesn't change that the hole was left there in the first place.

[Lord Beerus]

But do you think he has human restrictions like krillin and Tenshinhan? What I mean is that sayians have zenkai boost and well Freeza is a mutant. But do you think uub would have human limitations or do you think he has a body like buu?

Oob doesn't really have any restrictions. He honestly can become as strong as his body allows him to be.

[Zephyr]

The best definition I've seen has been a pretty simple one: there is a plot hole wherever the viewer has to supply the explanation themselves. Because by doing so, there are filling that hole. The ability to do so doesn't change that the hole was left there in the first place.

From there though, another problem arises: What actually does need an explanation? People will disagree until the ends of time whether or not specific contended details of the manga, these films, etc actually warrant explanation or not.

[Dayspring]

Well from battle gods beerus not knowing of buu. Or Freeza's suprise super training. Or even at the end of z why would goku want to fight a kid buu power after fighting gods?

None of those are plotholes.

I am sorry what I meant is inconsititencies

But they're not even inconsistencies. Beerus likely wouldn't know Buu on sight. And if he did, he would be expecting to see Kid Buu, not the much weaker, much nicer, much fatter Mr. Buu.

Freeza's surprise super training makes complete sense. Without having ever trained, he's 1,000x stronger than Ginyu, who in turn is roughly 7x stronger than Saiyan-saga Vegeta, who in turn is among the elite of the universe. All logic suggests his claim is valid, the only evidence we have either way shows him making good on his claim.

The end of the series doesn't show Goku being excited about Kid Buu's power, but rather a mortal who is the reincarnation of Kid Buu. The fact that he's a complete unknown who should be at least as powerful as Kid Buu is what makes Goku excited. Remember that if you assume he's only as powerful as Kid Buu, then there's no reason for Goku to have been excited if you ignore BoG because even that Goku could take on Kid Buu easily.

Cell's regen? That's a blatant one.

No it's not. Cell's nucleus was located in the lower part of his body. After self-destructing, it's in his brain because the brain was merely the first thing it regenerated.

[Berserker1921]

What I am asking is can uub become as powerful as goku or vegeta? I mean before BoG, RoF, and whatever comes after why would goku care about fighting someone as strong as kid buu. I mean gohan is as strong or stronger then kid buu. Yet he doesn't really seem interested. Or does goku see hidden power in uub that is greater then his?

[Saiga]

The best definition I've seen has been a pretty simple one: there is a plot hole wherever the viewer has to supply the explanation themselves. Because by doing so, there are filling that hole. The ability to do so doesn't change that the hole was left there in the first place.

From there though, another problem arises: What actually does need an explanation? People will disagree until the ends of time whether or not specific contended details of the manga, these films, etc actually warrant explanation or not.

That's true, I am well aware of that problem and when it comes down to it there will always be a matter of subjectivity to determining whether is something is a plothole regardless of the definition used.

[Faustus]

The best definition I've seen has been a pretty simple one: there is a plot hole wherever the viewer has to supply the explanation themselves. Because by doing so, there are filling that hole. The ability to do so doesn't change that the hole was left there in the first place.

A simple want of explanation isn't what folks usually mean when they call foul and cry plot hole, however (or at least so in my experience). Generally it's used to signal some glaring inconsistency or contradiction in narrative logic.

That said, I feel like you're getting caught up in terminology when the real point here is simply that so long as the inconsistencies in question - whether you wanna call 'em plot holes or not - can plausibly and relatively effortlessly be reconciled in with all the rest, whatever harm done to the overall story is sure to be negligible. Identifying them as "plot holes" and designating them such on the technicality of a definition doesn't somehow make them any worse than they really are. (Nor am I necessarily accusing you of doing this; I just want to point out that the question of whether a given plot point technically qualifies as a plot hole really has little bearing on whether it can fairly easily be made to consist with the rest of the story or whether the writing associated with it is any good. Just so long, of course, as we remain clear about what's being talked about.)

In this case, little things like the introduction of God ki out of nowhere or Beerus not knowing of Boo, while certainly unlikely and for the most part unexplained, are hardly all that outrageous - "plot hole" or no. I want to insist on this point because I've found of late that with a good portion of this fan-base especially there's this ridiculous tendency to discuss the entertainment value of new material almost exclusively in terms of plot consistency; and so everyone goes about compiling lists of these perceived little "errors", as though accumulating enough of 'em will eventually give them license to write off the entire product as trash. I mean, let's just take a step back and keep in mind what we're evaluating here. I understand that as the "hardcore" fans that we are we can't help getting a little bit distracted by things like Bulma's age being off by about half-a-dozen years or the Dragon granting only one wish, and that's only natural. But maybe, if we're willing overlook these imperfections and maintain a charitable view for just a moment, maybe we might even come to have a good time, or, if not, at least reveal a more legitimate ground for our criticisms. Like that silly God ritual.

Anywho, sorry for rambling there for a bit! I'm new to the forums, and yours and Kamiccolo9's were the first posts that really caught my attention.

[Dayspring]

What I am asking is can uub become as powerful as goku or vegeta? I mean before BoG, RoF, and whatever comes after why would goku care about fighting someone as strong as kid buu. I mean gohan is as strong or stronger then kid buu. Yet he doesn't really seem interested. Or does goku see hidden power in uub that is greater then his?

Goku thinks Uub has the potential to become stronger than him. How much stronger at present was unknown, which was why he wanted to fight him at the budokai.

[Mystic Tien]

On his level this is NOT POSSIBLE, he would be super efficient if he managed to multiply his power by 1,5.

It is. He does it now, training with Whis.