No one here has seen Resurrection F, correct?

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

It's the dialogue and the character interactions that carry the movie, and make the whole thing worthwhile, but unfortunately, that's something that doesn't really come across in a summary.

I dunno, the first thing that immediately struck me about the summary was how this movie expands on Goku and Vegeta's relationship. While there was no specific dialogue noted, you could sense that the way the two interact is going to be a strong feature of this movie. I also get the impression that Toriyama is using these movies to re-visit Goku and re-emphasize to the audience who he is as a character.

I'm also quite surprised that people aren't more appreciative of the fact that Kuririn, Roshi and Tenshinhan were given a chance to shine. People have been clamouring for more involvement from the Earthlings for years, particularly in the case of Tenshinhan. Granted, it was at the expense of Goten, Trunks and Buu, but hey, if that happened we would've ended up with a DBZ Movie 3-type situation. We'd see each cast member perform their signature attack and that's it. It wouldn't have made much sense from a writing standpoint; things would've been too crowded and there would've been a lack of focus. Less is more, as they say.

[Haji]

Chances are, most of us don't have the ability to live in Japan yet, so no.

[Mewzard]

I have, and I liked it. My opinion on the actual quality of the feature itself is complex, but it's quite entertaining. I do think much of the criticism directed at the movie has been rather vindictive and misguided, criticizing a rundown of the major plot points out of context (and harping on things like continuity, which has never been the author's strong suit). It's the dialogue and the character interactions that really carry the movie and make the whole thing worthwhile, but unfortunately, that's something that doesn't really come across in a summary.

Anyway, I'm a firm believer that people should at least give it a chance before they write it off entirely.

I think the point that is trying to be made by the TC and others like myself who are waiting to see the movie is that you can only judge so much from a summary, that a movie is more than the sum of its parts.

Between your and Kei's comments on how you feel about the movie, I'd be looking forward to it. But the way some people talk on the movie thread, you'd think the movie killed some posters' dogs and would forever ruin the franchise.

Even if you don't like ideas in a summary, I feel like you have to at least see a movie before you jump to "This movie is franchise ruining, drag Toriyama from the series!" (and even then, don't be rude to Toriyama, give constructive criticism).

Sure, you can hate elements of it...but seriously, the bile and hatred being spewed over this movie may be a bit on the excessive side.

[rereboy]

I'm also quite surprised that people aren't more appreciative of the fact that Kuririn, Roshi and Tenshinhan were given a chance to shine. People have been clamouring for more involvement from the Earthlings for years, particularly in the case of Tenshinhan. Granted, it was at the expense of Goten, Trunks and Buu, but hey, if that happened we would've ended up with a DBZ Movie 3-type situation.

To do what they ended up doing, aka having just a few scenes and lines of fighting some goons and such, and especially since they decided to even have Roshi there, they should have all the Earthlings there, including #18, the kids and Buu.

Instead, they just had lame justifications for why they weren't there that seemed like very little thought was put into it.

[FortuneSSJ]

Instead, they just had lame justifications for why they weren't there that seemed like very little thought was put into it.

Little thought is better than none though.
We never had explanations about some Z Fighters absence in the other movies before. At least, Toriyama bothered to justify.

[TripleRach]

I'm also quite surprised that people aren't more appreciative of the fact that Kuririn, Roshi and Tenshinhan were given a chance to shine. People have been clamouring for more involvement from the Earthlings for years, particularly in the case of Tenshinhan. Granted, it was at the expense of Goten, Trunks and Buu, but hey, if that happened we would've ended up with a DBZ Movie 3-type situation. We'd see each cast member perform their signature attack and that's it. It wouldn't have made much sense from a writing standpoint; things would've been too crowded and there would've been a lack of focus. Less is more, as they say.

This is actually one of the biggest selling points of the movie for me. I'm really happy it's straying away from the Saiyans Only Club to give old favorites some new screentime. Though I wish Yamcha was active too, and I'm somewhat disappointed we don't get any Trunks/Freeza moments.

I've probably never expressed my feelings on this before, since I end up making so many neutral/meta posts instead. And I'm actually trying to avoid reading too many details, beyond promotional material and the manga chapters. (Not that I'm doing a very good job.) I can't wait to see some Earthling action, though!

[Zenkai]

Will watching the movie somehow make Gohan not get chumped, Vegeta kill Freesa, or make "IF I COULD TURN BACK TI~IME" or Bluper Saiyan not exist?

So, let me get this straight: the movie is automatically terrible just because the plot didn't turn out the way you would have written it?

[Gonstead]

Will watching the movie somehow make Gohan not get chumped, Vegeta kill Freesa, or make "IF I COULD TURN BACK TI~IME" or Bluper Saiyan not exist?

So, let me get this straight: the movie is automatically terrible just because the plot didn't turn out the way you would have written it?

To some people, yes.

[AM Reflection]

I think it's terrible because the plot didn't turn out the way any good writer would have written it. There's just so much wrong. For me, it really has nothing to do with expectations of what I wanted to happen. It's a matter of looking at what actually did happen and coming to the conclusion that it sucks.

The movie should still have some entertainment value depending on how well the fight scenes are animated, if there is funny dialogue etc., but it's hard to see this being a "good movie" when the actual story and events that occur are such utter garbage. That's not something will change after watching it.

[Rocketman]

Will watching the movie somehow make Gohan not get chumped, Vegeta kill Freesa, or make "IF I COULD TURN BACK TI~IME" or Bluper Saiyan not exist?

So, let me get this straight: the movie is automatically terrible just because the plot didn't turn out the way you would have written it?

Since I would've written a good movie, yeah.

[Zenkai]

Will watching the movie somehow make Gohan not get chumped, Vegeta kill Freesa, or make "IF I COULD TURN BACK TI~IME" or Bluper Saiyan not exist?

So, let me get this straight: the movie is automatically terrible just because the plot didn't turn out the way you would have written it?

Since I would've written a good movie, yeah.

Write me something, then submit it to a film studio.

[Rocketman]

Write me something, then submit it to a film studio.

How would submitting DB fanfiction to a film studio prove anything?

[Zenkai]

Write me something, then submit it to a film studio.

How would submitting DB fanfiction to a film studio prove anything?

It doesn't have to be DB-related. Just a random original story by you.

[Saiga]

Write me something, then submit it to a film studio.

You seem to be under the misguided impression that media gets made entirely on the basis of whether it is good or not.

That could not be further from the truth, and so the fact that Rocketman isn't making DBZ movies (or any movie) proves absolutely nothing.

[Chuquita]

It's the dialogue and the character interactions that carry the movie, and make the whole thing worthwhile, but unfortunately, that's something that doesn't really come across in a summary.

I dunno, the first thing that immediately struck me about the summary was how this movie expands on Goku and Vegeta's relationship. While there was no specific dialogue noted, you could sense that the way the two interact is going to be a strong feature of this movie. I also get the impression that Toriyama is using these movies to re-visit Goku and re-emphasize to the audience who he is as a character.

This is where I'm hoping things recover. I really enjoy the banter between Gokû and Vegeta. If this movie actually does stuff with their relationship that just isn't present in the brief summary; I feel like I could have a lot of fun watching the movie.

[Zenkai]

Write me something, then submit it to a film studio.

You seem to be under the misguided impression that media gets made entirely on the basis of whether it is good or not.

That could not be further from the truth, and so the fact that Rocketman isn't making DBZ movies (or any movie) proves absolutely nothing.

I'm well-aware that a lot of trash gets made, but at least it would lend a hint of credibility to his awesome movie-writing skills.

[rereboy]

Will watching the movie somehow make Gohan not get chumped, Vegeta kill Freesa, or make "IF I COULD TURN BACK TI~IME" or Bluper Saiyan not exist?

So, let me get this straight: the movie is automatically terrible just because the plot didn't turn out the way you would have written it?

Actually, it just means that the movie will most likely not be good to those who don't like the plot points included in the movie.

How the person would have written it has nothing to do with it. People don't have to be talented writers to know if they like a plot point.

[MCDaveG]

This is something I really hate as an artist myself.
Two weird opinion camps on peace of entertainment.
1) I would've write better thing than it's own author.... That's not only disrespectful, but also bigheaded. If so, why aren't you doing better stuff than him?
Answer is simple, because that person didn't got into the industry. Because that is something that involves hard work and lot of luck. Sometimes both, sometimes only one of it.
Akira Toriyama did. Person who criticizes the work, didn't, he only builds on fruits of someone else's work.

Tough I approve of constructive criticism.

2) You can't criticize the movie, if you are not involved succesfully in the industry.
That's also bulshit. The reason behind doing this creative work is that it is for the people that enjoy it - or for self realisation of the artist.
Myself, I am doing music for myself, because it is fun and I don't care what anyone else thinks, tough I had a full club this saturday, LOL
But I appreciate constructive criticism, if I am doing something wrong, or something is off from the technological point of view or consistency.
But what I ignore is thing like: ''Your music is shit, because I don't like it.'' Yeah, then thanks for your opinion man, you can p**s off and find yourself what you like.
Or should the artist think to himself: ''Ah yes, should I make something that I don't like, but it will please the majority of people or this angry guy down there,
so I will make ton of money and lose my own soul and creativity?'' Yeah, definitely!

I really appreciate and like even more, that Mr. Toriyama had such luck with his disctinctive style and attitude, to create one of the biggest franchises
that made him a lot of money, but he came back and doesn't care exactly, what the fans want or created before in fanfiction (Said so in interview).
I really like that story of him not liking the BoG script, so he went in to change it. He still pulls the ideas on the go from nowhere, like before when he did the manga.
I wonder what would happen without the editors in the manga run.

If majority of fans like the new movies, than it's great. If not, then the movies will have different fans that like it.
In the end, it doesn't matter, because that stuff is made for entertainment. No need for strong arguments and disrespect.

I have one thing in the end and it is not meant negatively for guys, who claim that they will make a better movie.
If you are really strong in writing or storytelling, place your bet in that and try to work on that, otherwise it will be a pitty if someone even didn't try to go out and show his or hers creativity.
Without the guts, lot of possible good artists and creators are buried in themselves and no one knows.

[fexus]

People should really learn the difference between criticizing a movie and criticizing the story of a movie.

[MCDaveG]

People should really learn the difference between criticizing a movie and criticizing the story of a movie.

We are mostly discussing the story and story makes a movie. Otherwise it's just bunch of images or some of them are art films or not regular movies.
And the story is what we all talk about.