Bardock and the Saiyan Race

[Bejiita]

Things like the whole "breathng in space" problem just strikes me as a case of the writers not being concerned with science (I doubt they expected people to examine the series in every minute detail). Of course, the whole series doesn't pay any attention to science, so in one sense, it doesn't really matter much.

It may not bother some, but a lot of questions in DB have logical answers, with only a few plot holes. And when you say the 'writers', there was only ever one writer, Akira Toriyama, he is the person who wrote the entire DB/Z story and drew it, minus anime filler and minor story changes. Space breathing scenes are mainly in filler scenes anyway.

In fact Toriyama is a very logical person, he even says that each and every one of the gadgets you see in his manga all have technical compartments as if they object were real, he does go into to detail a lot. The moon blowing up obviously defies science because of it's pull on the ocean tides or whatever, but Toriyama has said in an interview that his world isn't the same as the world we live on now. It's his own fantasy world, a perfect solution to keep those idiots quiet who like going into minute details about everything.

[Domon]

And when you say the 'writers', there was only ever one writer, Akira Toriyama, he is the person who wrote the entire DB/Z story and drew it, minus anime filler and minor story changes. Space breathing scenes are mainly in filler scenes anyway.

That is a rather skewed response. It might be true that Toriyama did the entire manga by himself(he did have an assistant for the entire run, I believe), but that is not true for the anime; which had multiple writers, and it is an anime scene that is being debated here. So "writers" is the correct word here.

In fact Toriyama is a very logical person, he even says that each and every one of the gadgets you see in his manga all have technical compartments as if they object were real, he does go into to detail a lot. The moon blowing up obviously defies science because of it's pull on the ocean tides or whatever, but Toriyama has said in an interview that his world isn't the same as the world we live on now. It's his own fantasy world, a perfect solution to keep those idiots quiet who like going into minute details about everything.

I'm confused about the point you're trying to make here.
First, you said that Toriyama is "logical" and place great attention to detail with the technical aspect of things(I'm not sure what the moon blowing up has to do with this). But your next statement is that Dragonabll is "his own fantasy world", and "that should keep people from going into mintue details" about things. That sounds as though it backs up my point about science in the series "doesn't matter much".

[Xyex]

I'm confused about the point you're trying to make here.
First, you said that Toriyama is "logical" and place great attention to detail with the technical aspect of things(I'm not sure what the moon blowing up has to do with this). But your next statement is that Dragonabll is "his own fantasy world", and "that should keep people from going into mintue details" about things. That sounds as though it backs up my point about science in the series "doesn't matter much".

What he's saying as that Toriyama-sama goes into technical deatil with scientific matters. Machines and such. But, since it's a fantasy world, the laws of nature, physics, and science are different. Basicly, the moon has no connection to the world's tides because the physics there are different.

[Mr. Announcer]

I don't think that's really the point. The world they live in isn't constructed so that one can defy physics that don't apply there. Mr. Toriyama just bends any normal rules to his liking for the sake of humor and story convenience or unintentionally because he didn't really care. The machine aspect is much more likely to make sense since Toriyama is actually interested in technology. The whole fantasy world thing is just a convenient excuse for afterwards.

[DBZ MAN]

Basicaly the story is ridiculed with plot holes and the fans just try and fill them up. But if Toriyama went too much into detail we would have lost the DB feel because it goes beyond the boundaries of physics.

[Panda]

At one point in the manga (the end of the Freeza Series I believe) Tenshinhan and Chaotzu remain deceased for an extra year because the dragonballs did not have enough wishes (for lack of a better word) to bring them both back at once. That being said, Tenshinhan and Chaotzu would have remained dead for 2 years at that point, completely flasifying this whole arguement.

I really wish I had a scan of the manga volume...

[Domon]

What he's saying as that Toriyama-sama goes into technical deatil with scientific matters. Machines and such.

But this thread doesn't even talk about anything remotely "technical". Be it blowing up the moon with beams coming from the hand(er...) or breathing in space ( ). That's the confusion; why bring it up if it doesn't relate to anything here?

Mr. Toriyama just bends any normal rules to his liking for the sake of humor and story convenience or unintentionally because he didn't really care.

Yep (and same for the anime writers).

At one point in the manga (the end of the Freeza Series I believe) Tenshinhan and Chaotzu remain deceased for an extra year because the dragonballs did not have enough wishes (for lack of a better word) to bring them both back at once. That being said, Tenshinhan and Chaotzu would have remained dead for 2 years at that point, completely flasifying this whole arguement.

They remained dead for an extra 130 days, not an extra year.

[Xyex]

At one point in the manga (the end of the Freeza Series I believe) Tenshinhan and Chaotzu remain deceased for an extra year because the dragonballs did not have enough wishes (for lack of a better word) to bring them both back at once. That being said, Tenshinhan and Chaotzu would have remained dead for 2 years at that point, completely flasifying this whole arguement.

I really wish I had a scan of the manga volume...

No, the Namek Dragon follows different rules. A Namekian year is shorter than an Earth year, and Porunga never mentions any limits of any kind on how long back he can reach. Only that he can revive only a single person at a time. Considering that, and my earlier stated thoughts on why Shenron mentioned the limit, it doesn't apply here.

[Duo]

Tenshinhan and Chaozu were revived 230 days after Namek exploded.

[Panda]

A couple of answers to my statement cause confusion...

A.) They remained dead for an extra 130 day...
B.) The Namek Dragonballs work differently...
C.) They were dead only 230 days...

First, if they remained dead for an extra 130 days then they would still be over the one year mark...

Second, it was already mentioned earlier in this thread that both Dragonballs have this limitation. The Namek Dragonballs can wish people back from the dead if they've died for the second time, which is something the Earth models cannot.

The third answer is the most reasonable because as far as I know there is no deffinate calender for the Dragonball Universe (correct me if I'm wrong though). That being said, two years could easily only be 230 days. If their calender is similar to ours however, then your answer cannot be correct and I wont believe it without proof.

[Domon]

The Freeza saga took place inside of a year. After Namek blew up, the first rounds of wishes were made 130 days afterwards, then 130 additional days later, Tenshinhan and Chaozu were revived. So that's 260 days, plus about a month to get from Earth to Namek. Yep, comfortabley inside a year.

[Akira]

The "Space breathing" on the Arlia episode is one instance where I might be tempted to just say "Filler" and excuse it. Only other explanation is Vegeta making some sort of unseen ki field around him and thier ships so they can breath outside them momentarily. It is the only instance of craziness of this specific kind, so don't worry about it too much.

As far as the wishes go, I'd like to mention first that the previous posts concluding that everything happened within a year is correct on the Freeza era wishes.

On the Piccolo Daimao wishes, you must remember one fact. As soon as Son defeated Piccolo, he went to Korin's and from there to Kami's It was inside of a few days after he defeated Piccolo that he met with Kami and asked that Shenron be revived. Kami allowed that one time for Shenron and the Dragonballs to be revived and usable right then. So Roshi, Krillin and Choutzu were all revived within a week or two tops of thier deaths. There is no plot hole there.

[Dayspring]

The "Space breathing" on the Arlia episode is one instance where I might be tempted to just say "Filler" and excuse it. Only other explanation is Vegeta making some sort of unseen ki field around him and thier ships so they can breath outside them momentarily. It is the only instance of craziness of this specific kind, so don't worry about it too much.

But then how do you explain the Super Elite mission flashback Vegeta has before dieing on Namek? King Vegeta destroys an entire solar system with the same ease. Even if they did the same as you suggest, they would have had no ships to go to. I say chock it up to filler in these cases too.

My guess was that, since Saiyans are really strong, that they could hold their breath for a good while. That, mixed with the upper atmosphere theory, would explain why Bardock could handle it. Thin air mixed with strong lungs equals enough oxygen to handle high altitude fighting. Same concept as when Goku ran out of breath upon first meeting Kami, only less stressful for Bardock since he's much stronger.