Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by Lord Gogeta » Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:14 am

I want an explanation of how Freeza got so Overpowered. I hope DBS explain this
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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by fadeddreams5 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:15 pm

I want an apology at the end of the credits.
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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:27 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:I want an apology at the end of the credits.
Oh, give me a break. :roll: :lol:

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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by FortuneSSJ » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:48 pm

Ignore the movie, this is the best edition. Just like Bojack Unbound.
It can fit perfectly in the timeline, but ignore it in the anime. It may have happened but just stays there.

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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by Makai » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:13 pm

Yeah, it'd really be best if they just ignored the movie altogether. They already have achieved SSGSSJ before the movie, so they could just introduce some other way, and find a new way to introduce Jaco.

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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by Beerus-sama » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:16 pm

Cetra wrote:Which changes do you want to be made?
I want more explanations about:
-the earth's Hell
- How does Freeza know about the galactic patrol
- Beerus and Freeza's story
- How exactly did Goku and Vegeta go to Beerus' Planet? did Whis came to them and transport them there?


Changes:
- Whis doesn't have time powers
- Freeza actually wants more revenge with Trunks than with Goku.
- Freeza meeting Goten and Trunks
- Gohan doesn't get killed by Freeza by a punch in the stomach
- Jaco interacting with more characters (I wanted him to ask Beerus about the picture :3 or maybe try to talk to him at least :P )
- a scene with Jaco and Tights' conversation that led Jaco to go to Bulma to tell her about Freeza's coming
- Show Freeza train at least for a minute
Makai wrote:Yeah, it'd really be best if they just ignored the movie altogether. They already have achieved SSGSSJ before the movie, so they could just introduce some other way, and find a new way to introduce Jaco.
I'll be ok with this too.
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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:25 pm

I don't see the point in saying they should ignore it. That's not going to happen. Toriyama's comment on Super says there will be a "Battle of Gods" Arc and a "Resurrection 'F'" Arc, so it's going to be a thing.
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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:29 pm

Honestly not much, maybe show Freeza training and maybe throw a twist that Champa showed up or something to help. Maybe add a scene of Goten, Trunks Buu and Satan sleeping while the battle is going on.

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Post by JulieYBM » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:15 pm

Oh, hey, retelling the story through Dragon Ball Super is the perfect excuse to use Freeza's second and third forms! I hope Chioka and friends do that, just for something fun.
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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by Ushabtis » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:32 pm

I hope with Super they explain it better with the whole Frieza's ability to become SSGSS level of strength in 4 months of training. the "I'm a prodigy" reason is crappy reason...
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Post by JulieYBM » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:45 pm

Ushabtis wrote:I hope with Super they explain it better with the whole Freeza's ability to become SSGSS level of strength in 4 months of training. the "I'm a prodigy" reason is crappy reason...
No worse than Saiyans growing stronger from near death experiences or the entire concept of ki as a whole.
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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by Retan » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:23 pm

Have Champa or Female Whis train Freeza for 4 months while Goku and Vegeta only get a month with Whis!!! :lol:

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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by Makai » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:44 pm

What if BOG does take place around a year after Buu Saga? Sorbet can come revive Frieza not long after the BoG arc ends, and he would have at least 4 years to get stronger. That takes care of the whole op four months problem.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:54 pm

I don't really think it would solve the problem because they would almost certainly still have the Freeza resurrection material take place as soon after the Beerus material as they could with DB wish logistics and stuff. That way they have more space in the 10 gap for if they need it. Shifting BOG forward ~3.5 years and then having Freeza still take place where it did originally wouldn't accomplish that.
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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by dae428 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:00 am

I've yet to see the movie but I suppose this could still take part...

1. Add in Yamcha, 18, Chaozu, Goten, Trunks, Boo, Satan and possibly even 17 to the battle and showcase each of them fighting just a bit here and there.
2. Divide up Freeza's army so that that mid-tier characters like Piccolo get to struggle a bit while the characters like Roshi still get to shine
a. Elites (more than 1 and less than 10) vs Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, Trunks, 18, 17,
b. Low Level vs everyone else
c. Mr. Satan and Boo combo is a must and they can fight whoever they want
d. I actually think a 1000 person army will make the whole thing a bit too crowded and messy, so less than that. Maybe a 100?
e. Actually I think it would be cool if there were super-elites in the elite group that Gohan and Piccolo could fight like Tagoma and Sashime or whatever his name was.
3. Give an explanation as to why the elites in the Freeza army are so powerful.
a. Maybe they drank Freeza's blood or had his DNA injected into them? Just any reasonable explanation is fine
4. Show off Freeza's training and more of his character
a. I'm actually quite alright with the prodigy thing. It's always been fine for me. However, I think it would be nice to see some of his training
b. Go a bit more into the whole transformation sequence and explain how it works a bit more. I guess just explore Freeza's mutation powers a bit more
c. Like many others I would be remiss if I failed to mention how cool it would be if Freeza saw Goten and Trunks
5. Don't have Freeza blow up the Earth
a. Another concept I actually don't mind too much is the Whis ability to turn back time. I think as the 'keeper' of the God of Destruction, it actually makes sense that Whis would have an ability like this. Plus he's a character that's kind of supposed to be OP in the first place so I honestly don't see a problem in that. However, I would much rather prefer that Whis explicitly mention that he wouldn't turn back time in the Freeza fight.
b. I think it would be better if there were some other ending that rounded things out a bit better than with what happened in the movie.
6. Have Vegeta fight a bit more.
a. It would be nice for Vegeta to show off a bit more given he only fights Freeza for a little bit.
b. It could be cool if he actually fought King Cold and killed him causing Freeza to ask Vegeta to join him. It would be kind of a reverse of what happened when Trunks killed Freeza and King Cold asked Trunks to join him
7. Change the name of SSGSS
a. I like the form, but the naming is absolutely terrible...
b. I would like them to also go a bit more into how the form was achieved and what it ultimately means
8. Handle the Goku snipe thing differently
a. This is another thing I really don't mind, but the amount of butt-hurt it's produced from others is downright annoying
b. I don't know... Make it clear that the ring Sorbet uses is a super-hyper-omega death ray that was charged for a bazillion years and have Freeza hurl dust in Goku's eyes so Goku can't see and is disoriented for a bit when Sorbet fires the ring.

8. I guess I'd like it if we got to go into the lives of the other side characters a bit more. Then again I suppose that's something more appropriate for the Battle of Gods arc. So that's about it...

Edit: Also have Gohan be super-duper important to the story somehow and still have or get mystic/SSG/SSGSS/MSSGSS or have him just be at home studying for something because clearly if he were weak it would be downright disrespectful of Toei, or Toriyama, or Toeiyama to have Gohan even fight in the first place and lose to a stronger opponent

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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:10 am

dae428 wrote:1. Add in Yamcha, 18, Chaozu, Goten, Trunks, Boo, Satan and possibly even 17 to the battle and showcase each of them fighting just a bit here and there.

2. Divide up Freeza's army so that that mid-tier characters like Piccolo get to struggle a bit while the characters like Roshi still get to shine
a. Elites (more than 1 and less than 10) vs Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, Trunks, 18, 17,
b. Low Level vs everyone else
c. Mr. Satan and Boo combo is a must and they can fight whoever they want
d. I actually think a 1000 person army will make the whole thing a bit too crowded and messy, so less than that. Maybe a 100?
e. Actually I think it would be cool if there were super-elites in the elite group that Gohan and Piccolo could fight like Tagoma and Sashime or whatever his name was.
Adding in said characters alongside those already in the film brings the total number of Earth fighters up to 12 or 13 depending on if you actually add #17 (Satan doesn't actually count). That means they'd each only have to fight ~7.5 soldiers, which is barely worth doing anything with. The characters take out that many each during their 2-3 second spotlights in the trailers.
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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by dae428 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:31 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
dae428 wrote:1. Add in Yamcha, 18, Chaozu, Goten, Trunks, Boo, Satan and possibly even 17 to the battle and showcase each of them fighting just a bit here and there.

2. Divide up Freeza's army so that that mid-tier characters like Piccolo get to struggle a bit while the characters like Roshi still get to shine
a. Elites (more than 1 and less than 10) vs Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, Trunks, 18, 17,
b. Low Level vs everyone else
c. Mr. Satan and Boo combo is a must and they can fight whoever they want
d. I actually think a 1000 person army will make the whole thing a bit too crowded and messy, so less than that. Maybe a 100?
e. Actually I think it would be cool if there were super-elites in the elite group that Gohan and Piccolo could fight like Tagoma and Sashime or whatever his name was.
Adding in said characters alongside those already in the film brings the total number of Earth fighters up to 12 or 13 depending on if you actually add #17 (Satan doesn't actually count). That means they'd each only have to fight ~7.5 soldiers, which is barely worth doing anything with. The characters take out that many each during their 2-3 second spotlights in the trailers.
Fair enough. The fact that the side characters only fought Freeza's army to stall for time in the first place doesn't really help my case too haha.. I don't know maybe make it so that Freeza's army scatters around to damage the Earth and everyone is trying to prevent that instead of just stalling for time. #17 could just be a random cameo where kills a soldier that happens to be in the park.

Edit: For some reason I really want to see #17 again... It's probably just because I've been rereading the Cell arc and I thought it would've been a lot more fun to have #17 appear in the first Dragon Ball Super episode and replace the giant snake as a minor antagonist.

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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:22 am

After thinking it more, I want all of this to happen:

Sorbet actually finds Namek and revives Freeza and Cold there, they use the first wish to sent their souls to Namek so they can be revived there.
Freeza blows up Namek.
Freeza doesn't kill Tagoma.
Freeza and Cold both train together. Shisami and Tagoma train as well.
Buu eats Tagoma.
Piccolo kills Shisami.
Cold gets killed by Gohan (Ultimate) and Gotenks teamwork.
Gohan and Gotenks get defeated by Third Form Freeza.
Whis can't turn back time or Earth's destruction lasts more than 3 minutes.
When Freeza blows up Earth, he gets sent to universe 6.
Vegeta survives.
Since there are no more Dragon Balls the gang needs to travel to universe 6 to restore Earth, Namek and revive everyone.

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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by Ushabtis » Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:21 pm

Wait King Cold is coming back?

Wouldn't mind seeing some SSJ 3 Gotenks action in Super ROF arc. but at this point it will be silly to me. Frieza will be able to stomp Ultimate Gohan and SSJ 3 Gotenks before Goku/Vegeta gets to Earth to fight him. and If Frieza has Lackies strong enough to fight on par with SSJ 3s or Ultimate Gohan I'll be... :roll:
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Re: Dragon Ball Fukkatsu no F - Super Edition

Post by dbgtFO » Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:27 pm

Ushabtis wrote:Wait King Cold is coming back?
These are just figures, that don't necessarily have any baring on Super's plot. Like VegettoEX said, Broly was included in a Kai set, but didn't appear in Kai.

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