Do you think the end of Z will be re-written/retconned?

[MaGyunia]

I've never liked the way DBZ ended, with those last 3 episodes, the last Tenkaichi Budokai and the introduction of Uub. On one hand, we get 10 years to explore, but whatever happens during the Beerus, Freeza and 6th Universe arcs will eventually and inevitably lead to that, and it just doesn't seem that by the time of the ending of DBZ they've gone through all of that. Maybe Toriyama will merely go for another retcon, just like he did with BoG and Fukkatsu no F, and will have that last Tenkaichi Budokai and the introduction of Uub become non-canon, although he might feel he shouldn't "touch" something which aired back in 1996, after 19 years. I'm kind of hoping he goes that way, though. We've already gotten GT out of the way and have it become non-canon, and I see those last 3 episodes as a lead-up to GT. GT basically took on the worst aspects of DBZ's last arc - after so many years of intensive creative activity for new characters and dramatic events throughout DB and DBZ, Toriyama was already starting to run out of solid ideas by the Majin Buu saga - and ignored all the good/fantastic aspects which made DBZ what it was in terms of character development and backgrounds, storyline, drama, interactions, relationships, fights, etc. If they retconned the ending of DBZ, we would now be basically exploring the real, one and only timeline of Dragonball on a sequential basis, with the knowledge that will not lead to anything we've already seen before (last 3 episodes of DBZ 10 years later and/or GT), which are pretty much the circumstances we've been presented with in the 2008 special, BoG and Fukkatsu no F (and, until a retcon of the ending of DBZ is confirmed, DBSuper's arcs). They could have Pan be born months after the defeat of Kid Buu instead of 4 years later, they could just basically "erase" the last episodes of DBZ from "canonness" and build up on and do pretty much whatever they want with the storyline and characters from now on. Some have speculated that the 6th Universe arc could happen after the ending of DBZ, meaning there would be a massive time-skip at some point in DBSuper, but I don't view that as a likely scenario.

[ArchedThunder]

I think it could be "retconned" in the same way that BoG and F are, not completely written out of existence, but redone with different details and possibly at a different point in time.

[Basaku]

I think it could be "retconned" in the same way that BoG and F are, not completely written out of existence, but redone with different details and possibly at a different point in time.

Again, what is exactly the point of retconning/remaking EOZ at this point? It's short and vague. As long as Super ends with happy ending which of course it will, EOZ works just as well as an ending as it did without Super. Now, if they ever want to make a new series post-EOZ (or in the period) and the little Goku&Uub plot doesn't really fits their plans (as it's the only relevant thing in EOZ that has potential consequences/implications for any hypothetical post-EOZ series), then I can see them retconning it or remaking. But for now Toei and Toriyama are completly stuck in the post-Buu 10 year period and for at least a year it will stay this way.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

I dont think anything significant happened that would requiere rewritinf eoz, so whats the problem ? Powerlevels ....?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't think anything significant happened that would require rewriting eoz, so whats the problem ? Power Levels ....?

Pretty much. It mostly seems to be people not believing that Goku would be excited for Uub after fighting characters like Beerus and Golden Freeza with his new god power.

[Chuquita]

Pan's involvement in BOG assures either the reBOG arc gets a rewrite in regards to ssjg, or EoZ gets a rewrite in regards to Pan's age. If she's born now, she'll be around 9 years old instead of 4 when EoZ roles around.

[funrush]

I don't think anything significant happened that would require rewriting eoz, so whats the problem ? Power Levels ....?

Pretty much. It mostly seems to be people not believing that Goku would be excited for Uub after fighting characters like Beerus and Golden Freeza with his new god power.

Yeah, but this is a Goku that's been on a safe earth with his tame kids for the past 5 years. Maybe what excites him more is that it's something new. This kid has Buu level power and can't even fly? That's crazy potential!

[LightBing]

Pan's involvement in BOG assures either the reBOG arc gets a rewrite in regards to ssjg, or EoZ gets a rewrite in regards to Pan's age. If she's born now, she'll be around 9 years old instead of 4 when EoZ roles around.

I would love kid Pan to kick some ass in Super! If it happens I wouldn't even mind the awful ritual.

I think they'll stretch this 10 year gap for a long time, without much worry if it affects the EoZ ending. When they reach that point a decision will be made to, scrap it or rewrite it, depending on what happened so far.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Pan's involvement in BOG assures either the reBOG arc gets a rewrite in regards to ssjg, or EoZ gets a rewrite in regards to Pan's age. If she's born now, she'll be around 9 years old instead of 4 when EoZ roles around.

Maybe. We're still currently unsure on Super's exact timeline placement. It's at least ~6 months after Majin Buu's defeat, but beyond that there is a little bit of evidence for the original AGE 778, but probably a little more for the newer AGE 774 one.

Herms said on Twitter that the digital broadcast of Super allows you to check the Dragon Ball timeline by pressing the "d" button on the remote. No idea if it covers Super as well (that'd probably be too convenient for us), but Julian isn't in Japan to check...

[Chuquita]

Pan's involvement in BOG assures either the reBOG arc gets a rewrite in regards to ssjg, or EoZ gets a rewrite in regards to Pan's age. If she's born now, she'll be around 9 years old instead of 4 when EoZ roles around.

Maybe. We're still currently unsure on Super's exact timeline placement. It's at least ~6 months after Majin Buu's defeat, but beyond that there is a little bit of evidence for the original AGE 778, but probably a little more for the newer AGE 774 one.

Herms said on Twitter that the digital broadcast of Super allows you to check the Dragon Ball timeline by pressing the "d" button on the remote. No idea if it covers Super as well (that'd probably be too convenient for us), but Julian isn't in Japan to check...

Oh! I knew Julian was coming back to the U.S., but I didn't know he was already here.

Ah, well, I think we have gained a couple more in-Japan forum members in the meantime.

[Cadellin]

Pan's involvement in BOG assures either the reBOG arc gets a rewrite in regards to ssjg, or EoZ gets a rewrite in regards to Pan's age. If she's born now, she'll be around 9 years old instead of 4 when EoZ roles around.

I would love kid Pan to kick some ass in Super! If it happens I wouldn't even mind the awful ritual.

I think they'll stretch this 10 year gap for a long time, without much worry if it affects the EoZ ending. When they reach that point a decision will be made to, scrap it or rewrite it, depending on what happened so far.

Doesn't need much stretching; the entirety of Z (Raditz to Kid Buu) took place in a 13 year timeframe.

[Basaku]

Pretty much. It mostly seems to be people not believing that Goku would be excited for Uub after fighting characters like Beerus and Golden Freeza with his new god power.

To be honest, Uub's exact strenght is vague. He's reincarnation of kid Buu and no one of the Z fighters was able to defeat kid Buu so frankly, it can still work (if we assume kid Buu's strenght was equal to the Gods of Destruction)

[DBZGTKOSDH]

To be honest, Uub's exact strenght is vague. He's reincarnation of kid Buu and no one of the Z fighters was able to defeat kid Buu so frankly, it can still work (if we assume kid Buu's strenght was equal to the Gods of Destruction)

Goku said he would have been able to beat him if he wanted when he was at full power, and Gohan & Gotenks were more than strong enough to destroy him easily. Pure Boo was nowhere near Beerus.

[Marco Polo]

Pure Boo never trained though. His potential is immense.

[irreality]

Maybe Buu *can't* train, though. He is a pile of magical goo.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Maybe Buu *can't* train, though. He is a pile of magical goo.

Majins can train & get stronger in Dragon Ball Online & Dragon Ball XenoVerse.

[supercat]

Maybe Buu *can't* train, though. He is a pile of magical goo.

I don't think this physical makeup would deny him the opportunity to get stronger, as the primary source of his power is his ki.

[irreality]

Majins can train & get stronger in Dragon Ball Online & Dragon Ball XenoVerse.

Those are video games, though -- there is not much point in a game mechanic that doesn't allow a character to progress. Videogames also tell me Vegeta is SSJ3, that random characters can fuse, and that Mr. Satan can fight ki using characters if he is given a jetpack.

Mr. Buu is never shown training. He only ever seems to eat candy.

I don't think this physical makeup would deny him the opportunity to get stronger, as the primary source of his power is his ki.

I'm not saying he can't get stronger, but I don't think lifting weights or running laps will do the trick given he doesn't really have muscles or lungs. Maybe he can do something magical or supernatural to get stronger, though.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Those are video games, though -- there is not much point in a game mechanic that doesn't allow a character to progress. Videogames also tell me Vegeta is SSJ3, that random characters can fuse, and that Mr. Satan can fight ki using characters if he is given a jetpack.

Mr. Buu is never shown training. He only ever seems to eat candy.

Yeah, but Toriyama was heavily involved with DBO.

Not saying you are forced to follow it though, just saying.

[irreality]

Yeah, but Toriyama was heavily involved with DBO.

Not saying you are forced to follow it though, just saying.

I like the DBO story details, but I consider the game mechanics separately from the storyline, is all. (Actually, I don't know the game mechanics of DBO, only Xenoverse-- but I assume like most DB games, everyone's power levels and ways of training are not compatible with real power levels).