Can Mr Buu be the strongest warrior ever? (Spoilers)

[pacz360]

Highly doubt it. The best Majin Boo can do is copy the techniques of other people. The only reason Majin Boo can endure as much as he can is because of his insane regeneration.

What about kid Buu? He not only had insane regeneration. But he seemed to have unlimited stamina. Especially in his fight against Goku, Vegeta, and buu.

You honestly think that Buuhan or kid Buu wouldn't try to absorb Beerus?

Buu barely absorbed Vegetto, I doubt he has any chance of pulling it off against Beerus. Even if we put him in the best possible scenario and assume whatever little piece of himself he decides to use actually does engulf Beerus, he'd likely be unable to store such a power away into one of his pods. The destroyer would just bolt right out of the vile menace's insides, and the beat down would resume as though nothing had happened.

This is of course, assuming that Buu could even trap Beerus to begin with.

Realistically speaking, the latter would simply blast the slimy substance away, or stand around unfazed even if it did land on him.

What do you mean it barely it work vegetto had to put a barrier up so he wouldn't get completly absorbed by buu beerus could destroy it but unfazed by it don't know.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Vegeto let himself be absorbed.

[supercat]

What about kid Buu? He not only had insane regeneration. But he seemed to have unlimited stamina. Especially in his fight against Goku, Vegeta, and buu.

You honestly think that Buuhan or kid Buu wouldn't try to absorb Beerus?

Buu barely absorbed Vegetto, I doubt he has any chance of pulling it off against Beerus. Even if we put him in the best possible scenario and assume whatever little piece of himself he decides to use actually does engulf Beerus, he'd likely be unable to store such a power away into one of his pods. The destroyer would just bolt right out of the vile menace's insides, and the beat down would resume as though nothing had happened.

This is of course, assuming that Buu could even trap Beerus to begin with.

Realistically speaking, the latter would simply blast the slimy substance away, or stand around unfazed even if it did land on him.

What do you mean it barely it work vegetto had to put a barrier up so he wouldn't get completly absorbed by buu beerus could destroy it but unfazed by it don't know.

If Vegetto could circumvent the unfortunate outcome of being stuffed into one of those pods, imagine what someone like Frieza or Beerus could do. I accept the notion that if Buu is that much weaker than the opponent he is longing to prey on, his absorption is bound to be unsuccessful.

Vegeto let himself be absorbed.

Haha yes, even more evidence that Buu's absorption would backfire on him in some undesirable way if he tried to seize the power of a vastly superior opponent.

[RandomGuy96]

I like how people are just flat-out making up abilities that Beerus never displayed anywhere as an excuse for why he'd never get absorbed or turned into candy. "Buu wouldn't be able to engulf someone way stronger than him even though he did that repeatedly, and Beerus would avoid being knocked out by the process even if caught totally off guard even though that never happened, and Buu wouldn't be able to properly absorb Beerus's power after getting him in a pod even though that never happened".

[Birusu16]

Buu took all those hits because of his regeneration. It had nothing to do with his strength. Gohan on the other hand doesn't have the luxury of regeneration, so it's only natural that he goes down immediately.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I'm pretty sure the type of kiai Beerus used to take out Piccolo, 18, and Tien would put an end to any attempt by Buu to absorb him.

Besides, wasn't it stated that Kaioshins weaken Buu if he absorbs them? That could be due to the incompatible nature of god ki.

[RandomGuy96]

I'm pretty sure the type of kiai Beerus used to take out Piccolo, 18, and Tenshinhan would put an end to any attempt by Buu to absorb him.

Besides, wasn't it stated that Kaioshins weaken Buu if he absorbs them? That could be due to the incompatible nature of god ki.

That kiai isn't in any way unique to Beerus.

He absorbed Piccolo with no issue. He absorbed South Kaioshin and got stronger. Dai Kaioshin was the only one stated to have an abnormal effect on Buu, and that was explicitly stated to be because of his gentle heart. Does Beerus have a gentle heart?

[Polyphase Avatron]

Well it was said by Babidi that the living Kaioshin's energy was useless for Buu, IIRC.

[RandomGuy96]

Well it was said by Babidi that the living Kaioshin's energy was useless for Buu, IIRC.

He just said it was unable to be used to jump start Buu's resurrection for whatever reason.

[supercat]

I like how people are just flat-out making up abilities that Beerus never displayed anywhere as an excuse for why he'd never get absorbed or turned into candy. "Buu wouldn't be able to engulf someone way stronger than him even though he did that repeatedly, and Beerus would avoid being knocked out by the process even if caught totally off guard even though that never happened, and Buu wouldn't be able to properly absorb Beerus's power after getting him in a pod even though that never happened".

It's actually a pretty logical speculation when you consider the notion that most, if not all abilities have limitations. Clearly, Buu's absorption failed against Vegetto, so who's to say it wouldn't fail against powerhouses like Frieza and Beerus?

I'm not discrediting Buu's impressive track record of successfully absorbing some pretty solid fighters, but how many of them were actually a lot stronger than him?

-Kid Buu absorbed South and Dai Kaioshin: both were presumably weaker than him.
-Super Buu absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo: the former probably had a marginal power advantage if that, and I don't think I need to elaborate on the gap between the latter and Super Buu.
-Buutenks absorbed Gohan: while absorbing Ultimate Gohan is one heck of an accomplishment, it doesn't really back the theory that Buu could contain vastly superior opponents, as Buutenks was at least a few notches above Gohan.
-Buuhan not only tried absorbing Vegetto, but he also busted out his Candy Beam: needless to say, both failed pretty darn miserably.

Furthermore, Buu was unable to stuff Vegetto into one of his pods.

Even from an out-of-universe standpoint, unless Buu reclaims a spot of relevance, it would be odd for him to possess powers that could easily trump beings like Frieza and Beerus.

I'm pretty sure the type of kiai Beerus used to take out Piccolo, 18, and Tenshinhan would put an end to any attempt by Buu to absorb him.

Besides, wasn't it stated that Kaioshins weaken Buu if he absorbs them? That could be due to the incompatible nature of god ki.

That kiai isn't in any way unique to Beerus.

He absorbed Piccolo with no issue. He absorbed South Kaioshin and got stronger. Dai Kaioshin was the only one stated to have an abnormal effect on Buu, and that was explicitly stated to be because of his gentle heart. Does Beerus have a gentle heart?

Well the kiai that Beerus used on the trio of heroes would probably be enough to obliterate and/or repel anything Buu has to dish out.

[RandomGuy96]

I like how people are just flat-out making up abilities that Beerus never displayed anywhere as an excuse for why he'd never get absorbed or turned into candy. "Buu wouldn't be able to engulf someone way stronger than him even though he did that repeatedly, and Beerus would avoid being knocked out by the process even if caught totally off guard even though that never happened, and Buu wouldn't be able to properly absorb Beerus's power after getting him in a pod even though that never happened".

It's actually a pretty logical speculation when you consider the notion that most, if not all abilities have limitations. Clearly, Buu's absorption failed against Vegetto, so who's to say it wouldn't fail against powerhouses like Freeza and Beerus?

I'm not discrediting Buu's impressive track record of successfully absorbing some pretty solid fighters, but how many of them were actually a lot stronger than him?

-Kid Buu absorbed South and Dai Kaioshin: both were presumably weaker than him.
-Super Buu absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo: the former probably had a marginal power advantage if that, and I don't think I need to elaborate on the gap between the latter and Super Buu.
-Buutenks absorbed Gohan: while absorbing Ultimate Gohan is one heck of an accomplishment, it doesn't really back the theory that Buu could contain vastly superior opponents, as Buutenks was at least a few notches above Gohan.
-Buuhan not only tried absorbing Vegetto, but he also busted out his Candy Beam: needless to say, both failed pretty darn miserably.

Furthermore, Buu was unable to stuff Vegetto into one of his pods.

Even from an out-of-universe standpoint, unless Buu reclaims a spot of relevance, it would be odd for him to possess powers that could easily trump beings like Freeza and Beerus.

I'm pretty sure the type of kiai Beerus used to take out Piccolo, 18, and Tenshinhan would put an end to any attempt by Buu to absorb him.

Besides, wasn't it stated that Kaioshins weaken Buu if he absorbs them? That could be due to the incompatible nature of god ki.

That kiai isn't in any way unique to Beerus.

He absorbed Piccolo with no issue. He absorbed South Kaioshin and got stronger. Dai Kaioshin was the only one stated to have an abnormal effect on Buu, and that was explicitly stated to be because of his gentle heart. Does Beerus have a gentle heart?

Well the kiai that Beerus used on the trio of heroes would probably be enough to obliterate and/or repel anything Buu has to dish out.

It failed because Vegetto saw it used several times before and used a technique to counter it. Not just because he was arbitrarily immune to being stuffed into a pod. If Beerus or Freeza saw it coming and knew how to counter it, they could do the same thing, but then the same should apply to anyone else Buu absorbed. There's no reason he couldn't absorb them unless he acts really stupid about it; none of them will even see it coming.

Buu absorbed Gohan AFTER Gotenks split up. He was back to his regular power, i.e. waaaaay weaker than Gohan. He still absorbed him. Gotenks was also decently stronger than him, strong enough to dominate him in combat while only taking 2-3 hits in turn. He got absorbed too. Also, the Candy Beam only failed on Vegetto because Vegetto has special properties that make him immune to losing power from transmutation period (according to the guidebooks). It wouldn't have mattered if Vegetto was weaker than Buu; the Candy Beam still wouldn't have worked on him. Whis, Beerus, Golden Freeza, and Godku haven't shown that ability, and it's never implied anywhere that either his absorption or Candy Beam abilities are limited by power differences (that wouldn't even make sense for the Candy Beam, since it uses magic, not ki).

Based on...? It didn't even injure Tenshinhan. Anyway, theoretically anyone could counter Buu's absorption like that. Which is why he goes out of his way to catch them totally off guard. It wouldn't work otherwise.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Just face it: The only Majin who can beat Beerus is Dumplin.

[supercat]

It failed because Vegetto saw it used several times before and used a technique to counter it. Not just because he was arbitrarily immune to being stuffed into a pod. If Beerus or Freeza saw it coming and knew how to counter it, they could do the same thing, but then the same should apply to anyone else Buu absorbed. There's no reason he couldn't absorb them unless he acts really stupid about it; none of them will even see it coming.

Buu absorbed Gohan AFTER Gotenks split up. He was back to his regular power, i.e. waaaaay weaker than Gohan. He still absorbed him. Gotenks was also decently stronger than him, strong enough to dominate him in combat while only taking 2-3 hits in turn. He got absorbed too. Also, the Candy Beam only failed on Vegetto because Vegetto has special properties that make him immune to losing power from transmutation period (according to the guidebooks). It wouldn't have mattered if Vegetto was weaker than Buu; the Candy Beam still wouldn't have worked on him. Whis, Beerus, Golden Freeza, and Godku haven't shown that ability, and it's never implied anywhere that either his absorption or Candy Beam abilities are limited by power differences (that wouldn't even make sense for the Candy Beam, since it uses magic, not ki).

Based on...? It didn't even injure Tenshinhan. Anyway, theoretically anyone could counter Buu's absorption like that. Which is why he goes out of his way to catch them totally off guard. It wouldn't work otherwise.

I left out the fact that Buutenks had regressed to Buuccolo, so absorbing Ultimate Gohan makes it onto the short list of instances where Buu had actually contained a superior fighter (the only other instance being Gotenks). That said, the difference between Buuccolo and Gohan versus any form of Buu and Freeza (let's exclude Beerus from the equation for a moment), isn't even comparable. Gohan was likely only 4-5x stronger than Super Buu, whereas Frieza's probably hundreds of times stronger than any incarnation of the vile menace. I just find it extremely unlikely for Buu to have anything in his arsenal that could trounce a force that much stronger. I mean, I feel like the only way that would make sense is if he somehow stepped into a position where his existence became relevant to the plot again.

Personally, I'm not sure why people over hype the efficacy of certain character-exclusive abilities (Candy Beam, Dabura's spit, etc.), when clearly the usage of metamorphosis inducing techniques have become a thing of the past.

Beerus' kiai rendered Piccolo completely useless. Dende even had to step in and heal him.

[GokuRules987]

He was protected by plot hole for the sake of not having to waste dragon balls on him to revive him back. In reality he would have been vaporized from the first punch that beerus gave him.