Raging Vegeta Ssj2 (DB Super) vs Super Vegetto (DB Super)

[Darkprince410]

Dragon team subs confirmed it. These are the subs that Herms always uses on his fact checker.

Herms translated the line differently well prior to the Dragon Team's sub.

According to his translation, Beerus stated this:

Beerus: "It's been a long time since I've used 10% or so of my full strength. Well, this was more fun than with that Saiyan over at North Kaio's place."

His translation, while still leaving it open that he wasn't precisely at 10%, still indicates that he was a good deal closer to the 10% mark.

[h0kuten]

It still puts Beerus close to 10% than 5%, meaning he has to be above 7.5% at bare minimum. So from 10% to 8%, what's the big difference?

[Blackstripe]

Turns out beerus never used 10% of his power to begin with. He just simply said ,"Its been a long time since I have pushed myself anywhere near 10% of what I am capble of". Keys words here are anywhere near.

Really? That would make things less complicated. Herms, confirmation?

Dragon team subs confirmed it. These are the subs that Herms always uses on his fact checker.

I just watched their subbed version.

Having just watched the fight again, I have concluded that it's really fucking confusing.

So, Vegeta starts out being unable to get past Beerus' guard and getting hit. He then lands two or three hits on Beerus, but Beerus manages to block the rest.

My only conclusion is that their powers were both steadily rising throughout the fight.

[Pocket-God]

I'm thinking Super Vegito is probably around 50% of Beerus so i've got SSJ3 Vegito stomping Beerus
//waits for everyone to side with the purple cat
So to answer the thread, Vegeta gets raped to put it simply.

[Blackstripe]

I'm thinking Super Vegito is probably around 50% of Beerus so i've got SSJ3 Vegito stomping Beerus
//waits for everyone to side with the purple cat
So to answer the thread, Vegeta gets raped to put it simply.

Try and provide reasons for your opinions, please. There's not much of a debate if we don't offer rationalizations for why we think something is.

[h0kuten]

Or could the gaps be this stupid:

Beerus
~10%: 10,000

Vegetto
~Ssj3: 8,000
~Ssj2: 2,000
~Ssj: 1,000

Vegeta
~Gallic Gun: 6,000
~Raging: 3,000

[Blackstripe]

Or could the gaps be this stupid:

Beerus
~10%: 10,000

Vegetto
~Ssj3: 8,000
~Ssj2: 2,000
~Ssj: 1,000

Vegeta
~Gallic Gun: 6,000
~Raging: 3,000

Well, that's close to my opinion. Like I said, I think the idea about Rageta tapping into some latent God power is the best theory proposed so far.

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

There isn't any room for Vegetto be 40-60% of Beerus.

I think there is. We know Goku expected Beerus to be stronger than Vegetto ( unsure if he was factoring in SSJ3). I think "expected Beerus" is more than the 50% he initially showed against SSJG Goku, they were both testing each other and warming up. So if Goku thought Beerus was, lets say, 80% of what he actually was, than that means Vegetto could easily go up to 60% Beerus and Goku still not think it would work.

It wouldn't make sense if Vegetto is equal to SSJG Goku but Goku dismisses one idea for the other without any valid reasoning.

I'm not saying Vegetto is a strong as SSJG Goku. With my estimate of SSJ Vegetto being 40% of Beerus, that still puts him as only half as strong as what Goku probably thought Beerus was.

[Lord Beerus]

Or could the gaps be this stupid:

Beerus
~10%: 10,000

Vegetto
~Ssj3: 8,000
~Ssj2: 2,000
~Ssj: 1,000

Vegeta
~Gallic Gun: 6,000
~Raging: 3,000

That's way too high for Vegetto. I don't see SSJ3 Vegetto clocking in at even 5%.

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

That's way too high for Vegetto. I don't see SSJ3 Vegetto clocking in at even 5%.

You think he's THAT weak? The guy that stomped Buuhan? Vegetto isn't just the sum of Vegeta and Goku's power, being a fusion gives him a massive boost. Like I said, I'd put him (SSJ 1) at 30% at the least, and most likely around 40% of Beerus' full strength.

[h0kuten]

That's way too high for Vegetto. I don't see SSJ3 Vegetto clocking in at even 5%.

You think he's THAT weak? The guy that stomped Buuhan? Vegetto isn't just the sum of Vegeta and Goku's power, being a fusion gives him a massive boost. Like I said, I'd put him (SSJ 1) at 30% at the least, and most likely around 40% of Beerus' full strength.

But there is no evidence for him being so powerful. Boohan isn't very impressive anymore either.

[Blackstripe]

That's way too high for Vegetto. I don't see SSJ3 Vegetto clocking in at even 5%.

You think he's THAT weak? The guy that stomped Buuhan? Vegetto isn't just the sum of Vegeta and Goku's power, being a fusion gives him a massive boost. Like I said, I'd put him (SSJ 1) at 30% at the least, and most likely around 40% of Beerus' full strength.

But there is no evidence for him being so powerful. Boohan isn't very impressive anymore either.

Yeah, that's something I think a lot of people are struggling with. Buuhan is less than total fodder for God-tier characters, so using him as any sort of benchmark is pointless. I mean, Beerus took out Ultimate Gohan with one casual swing of a Mr. Buu. Buuhan would've gone down just as laughably.

[mikey4111]

I can't see Vegeta's rage boost doing any significant damage to Buuhan, let alone completely outclass him like Vegito did. Rage boost Vegeta was just above SSJ3 Goku and Vegito was ridiculous far above SSJ3 Goku before even turning into a SSJ. So no, Vegeta didn't surpass Vegito with his rage boost.

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

That's way too high for Vegetto. I don't see SSJ3 Vegetto clocking in at even 5%.

You think he's THAT weak? The guy that stomped Buuhan? Vegetto isn't just the sum of Vegeta and Goku's power, being a fusion gives him a massive boost. Like I said, I'd put him (SSJ 1) at 30% at the least, and most likely around 40% of Beerus' full strength.

But there is no evidence for him being so powerful. Boohan isn't very impressive anymore either.

Boohan is still way stronger than anything Goku, Vegeta, or Gohan can achieve alone.(before SSJG, of course) And Vegetto was practically playing with him. I don't see any reason why Vegetto even with only SSJ1 shouldn't be around half of Beerus

[xmysticgohanx]

I've still yet to be shown why merely hypothetical forms of characters should have anything to do with it.

What about Goku musing "merging with Vegeta might not be enough" instantly translates to "Vegetto would be a tiny fraction of Beerus' power even if he had and used Super Saiyan 3?" That's needlessly taking a vague supposition to the most extreme (sorta) possible conclusion. There's no reason to insist that's the case.

Do you really think the characters are that dumb lol? ofc they would use SSJ3. If Gotenks can do it and it's fusees don't even have SSJ2, Vegetto would certainly be able to do it

[h0kuten]

Boohan is still way stronger than anything Goku, Vegeta, or Gohan can achieve alone.(before SSJG, of course) And Vegetto was practically playing with him. I don't see any reason why Vegetto even with only SSJ1 shouldn't be around half of Beerus

Key Factors:

a) Super Boohan isn't even twice as powerful as Ultimate Gohan.

b) The gap between Nail & 1rst Form Frieza is greater than the gap between Boohan & Super Vegetto.

c) Vegetto only need be 10x Boohan, at most.

Beeurs 10%: 10

Vegeta Gallic Gun: 6
Vegeta Raging: 3

Super Vegetto: 4

Boohan: 0.40

Ultimate Gohan: 0.24

[Blackstripe]

I can't see Vegeta's rage boost doing any significant damage to Buuhan, let alone completely outclass him like Vegito did. Rage boost Vegeta was just above SSJ3 Goku and Vegito was ridiculous far above SSJ3 Goku before even turning into a SSJ. So no, Vegeta didn't surpass Vegito with his rage boost.

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean the evidence isn't there.

Everything we've seen suggests Rageta surpassed Vegetto and thus, Buuhan.

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

I can't see Vegeta's rage boost doing any significant damage to Buuhan, let alone completely outclass him like Vegito did. Rage boost Vegeta was just above SSJ3 Goku and Vegito was ridiculous far above SSJ3 Goku before even turning into a SSJ. So no, Vegeta didn't surpass Vegito with his rage boost.

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean the evidence isn't there.

Everything we've seen suggests Rageta surpassed Vegetto and thus, Buuhan.

What exactly suggests it? All we're given is the suggestion that Vegeta is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, nothing about being stronger than Boohan or Vegito.

[mikey4111]

I can't see Vegeta's rage boost doing any significant damage to Buuhan, let alone completely outclass him like Vegito did. Rage boost Vegeta was just above SSJ3 Goku and Vegito was ridiculous far above SSJ3 Goku before even turning into a SSJ. So no, Vegeta didn't surpass Vegito with his rage boost.

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean the evidence isn't there.

Everything we've seen suggests Rageta surpassed Vegetto and thus, Buuhan.

We only know that Rageta surpassed Goku, that's it.

[h0kuten]

I can't see Vegeta's rage boost doing any significant damage to Buuhan, let alone completely outclass him like Vegito did. Rage boost Vegeta was just above SSJ3 Goku and Vegito was ridiculous far above SSJ3 Goku before even turning into a SSJ. So no, Vegeta didn't surpass Vegito with his rage boost.

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean the evidence isn't there.

Everything we've seen suggests Rageta surpassed Vegetto and thus, Buuhan.

We only know that Rageta surpassed Goku, that's it.

Dragonball Super

Beerus stated he used 10% power against Vegeta but not against another other fighter. He does compare his efforts against Raging Vegeta to his efforts against Goku Ssj3, implying Goku Ssj3 was the second strongest.

Nothing is said about Ultimate Gohan.

Battle of Gods

Beerus comments on Vegeta's fighting ability and the feats dictate Vegeta is even greater than Gohan by this point of time. Everybody is pleased to see Goku, thinking he could possibly save the day. Both Goku & Vegeta receive praise but Gohan receives none.

Nothing is said about Gohan.

In two releases that depict the same scenario, we've evidence to support Goku Ssj3 & Raging Vegeta Ssj2 to be superior to Gohan, not the other way around.