FUNI Super dub - What are your wishes?

[Lord Beerus]

Okay, I don't want to be that guy, but why are some people suggesting that we should get a new voice for Freeza? Chris Ayres is best casting for a Dragon Ball character in any English dub I have ever seen. He fits Freeza perfectly. His acting and vocal range places his streets ahead of any other English dub interpretation of the character I've seen so far. And the idea that he should be replaced is mystifying.

[Rockman X]

Freeza is also whiny, pretentious and has a quite sophisticated in his manner of talking.

Following what Lord Beerus has said, what you have described is how Freeza was meant to be portrayed.

Japanese freeza doesn't sound pretentious more importunately his jap V.A doesn't read his lines like he's in a hurry like Chris does..

Freeza can't be both pretentious&intimidating if you're acting like you're trying to impress me so hard you're no longer intimidating.

And the "posh" voice he has is what makes him so unique

No it doesn't.. it just makes chris's freeza sound like a clown Japanese freeza doesn't have this "Posh" voice its totally an improvisation on chris's part Japanese freeza has more of this regular "Callous smug bastard" villain voice that i can get behind.

For how much shit linda Young gets at least she's kind of intimidating as freeza that's more than i can say for Chris's freeza.

[Rockman X]

3. a new Freeza that sounds similar to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpADfKolHJY so i kind of agree with Rockman X

actually i want THIS voice for freeza >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZW-kUFiOGE You see how Slade/Deathstroke is calm&eloquent YET he's so intimidating? yeah that's totally what chris's freeza fails to be!

7. scripts can be more natural.

I second this! the dub scripts are tend to be way too overexplanatory,verbose and lack a natural dialogue flow so much so that i've began to prefer the subs just cus they're more simple than the dialogue in the dub.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

What? Young was not intimidating at all. "Pop goes the weasel!" Very scary! Her Freeza could barely put a sentence together she was a walking one liner and the granny voice is what made it even more unbearable.

[Deathbringer]

So before this thread turns into a huge Linda Young vs Chris Ayers argument, I'll quickly throw in what I would want from a dub of Super:

1) Keep the Japanese lyrics for the intro + credits. This isn't the most important thing for me, but the only time Funi did a good dub of a dragon ball opening was with dragon soul (and even then only the version by Vic Mignogna). I just find that changing the lyrics into english is pointless for the most part, especially since they mostly leave the songs as they are for most of their anime dubs.

2) Keep Doc Morgan as the narrator and give him the role of Kaio. I would be happy if just one of these 2 things happened, but since Sean Schemmel is completely in love with his own Kaio voice (which itself is fun to listen to but also doesn't capture the spirit of Yamani's performance, although the way that Toei animate him recently makes it look like they only have Sean's voice in mind for some reason...) it seems like he's gonna keep the role, however it would be a shame if Funi kept up their "tradition" of having a new voice actor for each series, it would also be a much bigger shame if they kicked off Doc Morgan and replaced him with Kyle Hebert...

3) Dub the whole show as it is. Don't do like with the initial dub of GT and skip out the first few arcs. I only say this because I've seen a few people say that this is a good idea just because they don't like the show so far, that's kind of selfish when you consider that most people would probably want to watch the whole of a show rather than removing parts of the show because some people think it sucks, do it "warts and all" as the saying goes.

4) Don't use a replacement OST. It's pretty obvious that they aren't going to replace the music, but the idea has been suggested by some, mostly people on twitter wanting Bruce Falconer to put his music in the show, but this whole thing is an outdated practice that simply doesn't happen anymore. They didn't do it for Kai, they won't do it for Super.

5) Use a mixture of the best actors from Kai and Z. This one is all opinion based of course, but I honestly think they should either just use the Kai voices or they should combine the best actors from both Kai and Z to create a stronger lineup. We already saw this in BoG and RoF where we had Chris Ayers and Monica Rial alongside Brad Jackson and Brina Palencia (be it Meredith McCoy or Colleen Clinkenbeard I honestly don't mind who voices #18). I'm aware that this is quite unlikely to happen and Funi will probably just use the Kai voices though (which is far from a bad thing in my view)

6) Finish dubbing the whole of Kai and then the next week start doing Super just like what they did in Japan. This is a bit of a stretch and it would confirm that they would most certainly be using the Kai actors for the show, but this would just be an awesome thing for them to do.

[Ree]

Rockman X
that could work too actually!
I could see Ward Perry doing a similar voice but Ron Perlman would be great too!
Teen Titans what happened to you?


the scripts do sound wordy, listen to Vegita vs Zarbon for an example. they talk too much and it all sounds pre planned
As bad as season 3 was at least the dialogue sounded more natural

[Rockman X]

What? Young was not intimidating at all. "Pop goes the weasel!" Very scary! Her Freeza could barely put a sentence together she was a walking one liner and the granny voice is what made it even more unbearable.

that's one of the bad lines of Funi-dub i can also tell you some good ones like "You Saiyans are like a stubborn virus, and now the virus has mutated to preserve itself, but I know how to treat it! I know how to blot it out for good!"

Bad lines are not a fault of the voice actor its the fault of the script and yes her voice is intimidating precisely because it sounds like a voice of an old witch and i find witches kinda creepy sure her tone&attitude is not faithful to Freeza's character but its not as bad as fans make it out to be.

[dbzfan7]

Okay, I don't want to be that guy, but why are some people suggesting that we should get a new voice for Freeza? Chris Ayres is best casting for a Dragon Ball character in any English dub I have ever seen. He fits Freeza perfectly. His acting and vocal range places his streets ahead of any other English dub interpretation of the character I've seen so far. And the idea that he should be replaced is mystifying.

They'll never get rid of Chris. He's owned the roll too well. Everyone who's part of the casting process knows this. They'd never do something so stupid as replace Chris Ayres with Linda Young or anyone else. She's a nice lady, but a horrendous Freeza. Really it was just Genkai pretending to be Freeza. Ayres is the best replacement of the entire recast. It wasn't hard for him to top garbage, but he nuked that garbage surprisingly.

I also don't see Doc Morgan going away either. Though if he couldn't do the role of narrator, then Kyle would most likely stand in. When he doesn't do the monster truck jam kinda tone, he can do the role fine. I'd stick with Doc though. I'd like for him to take Kaio's role like everyone else, but there's no way they'll change that now unless Schemmel somehow is incapable of doing Kaio's role.

My only hope is music change. Very unlikely, but the music is so lame in Super it's forgettable.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

I just want Funi to keep doing what they've been doing with Kai, BoG and R'F'. That's all I need to be satisfied. I've seen a lot of people on this site hating the English dub King Kai and I can see why but I've gotten used to it and I actually really like it. I'll admit, the voice can sometimes be out of place in serious moments but I feel that it works for the most part.

[TheBlackPaladin]

It's inconceivable that they would recast Chris Ayres. It was semi-conceivable for RoF only because FUNimation said they treat Kai and DBZ as two different properties, so the thought occurred to me that they might have used Linda Yung again for RoF because they consider it a DBZ movie. They didn't, though. Chris Ayres is the voice of Freeza now, and God, his performance is absolutely incredible. Part of the reason I was so damn psyched about the prospect of Freeza being revived when I first heard about RoF was because it meant the opportunity to hear another performance from one of my favorite actors in both the original version (Ryusei Nakao) and in the English version (Chris Ayres).

Anime News Network called his casting one of the best casting decisions for a dub in the last decade...and I completely agree!

[Hellspawn28]

I remember when everyone hated Linda Young as Freeza and where happy when Freeza got a new voice actor. The only people who want Linda Young back because of the nostalgia.

[dbzfan7]

I remember when everyone hated Linda Young as Freeza and where happy when Freeza got a new voice actor. The only people who want Linda Young back because of the nostalgia.

That probably is the main reason. Same with Tiffany Vollmer. We have a much better voice actor this time, but people want the less talented VA to come back?

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

What I want:
No "modern" lingo I E - no trunks calling Mai his "main squeeze" an Mai calling herself Trunks's "Main girlfriend".

The original Funimation's Bulma back. The new one is good,but NOTHING compared to the original Funimation Bulma.

For Vegeta and Goku and Piccolo to have their Buu saga voices back. These raspier more forced voices just don't sound natural. It most likely won't happen though.

A USA musical score that way you have a choice between 2 scores. One thing that made the orange bricks enjoyable despite a rather brain-dead remastering process was th ability to switch musical scores. Because some people for some reason don't like the Japanese music, and some don't like the English music, so expand your audience by giving em BOTH!...Again this probably won't happen. </3

[SylentEcho]

My wish-list for a Super dub:

1: Goku should speak a little like a hick.
2: Kaio should be voiced by someone else and please call him Kaio or Lord Kaio or something other than King Kai.
3: Peter Kelamis was the perfect Goku. He was the closest thing we had to Nozawa. It would great if he could come back, but I know that isn't happening.
4: Again, I know this won't happen, but bring back Brian Drummond for Vegeta. Sabat makes the viewer very aware that it's a guy behind a booth voicing Vegeta. I can't put my finger on it, but something about his performance doesn't feel organic. His Yamcha voice is the only one that seems okay.

[Hero]

Hmmm let's see...

1. Keep Chris Ayres as Frieza no matter what!

2. Bring back Tiffany Vollmer as Bulma. The new voice actress for Bulma is a good one and her voice fits Bulma too, but I actually see Bulma's old voice fitting her better. Bulma is an annyoing and whiny character and it makes sense that she sound as such. Not to take anything away from her, though, as I love her character.

3. Replace the music. I liked the soundtrack in BoG and even the one in RF, but Super's so far has been forgettable.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Hmmm let's see...

1. Keep Chris Ayres as Freeza no matter what!

2. Bring back Tiffany Vollmer as Bulma. The new voice actress for Bulma is a good one and her voice fits Bulma too, but I actually see Bulma's old voice fitting her better. Bulma is an annyoing and whiny character and it makes sense that she sound as such. Not to take anything away from her, though, as I love her character.

3. Replace the music. I liked the soundtrack in BoG and even the one in RF, but Super's so far has been forgettable.

Replacing he music is a good idea. As long as they release the DVD's and blu rays with the jap music as a option with the dub like the orange bricks then they won't get bashed for "not respecting the source material" This way the people who can't watch the USA tracks (if they even exist) an the people who can't watch the Japanese music (majority of the US fanbase) can both watch super. Some people just can't enjoy kai because the soundtrack and funimation lost a lot of would b customers because of it. But if they appeal to the entire fanbase rather then a small percentage, they'll do much better in sales numbers.

[fadeddreams5]

Bring back Faulconer for the music, have Linda Young voice Frieza, and change Frieza's dialogue so he hits on Goku like the good ol' days.

[Kuwabara]

Look, I like the Faulconer stuff just as much as you guys, but replacement scores in 2016? So would you all be in favor of boosting the contrast, bumping the framerate up to 60 frames per second, and cropping the footage into CinemaScope as well? Give me a break.

[Ree]

If the actual dub comes out actually decent i doubt some people would care

[irreality]

Some people have very different philosophies on "dubbing" here. I always thought dubbing was one of two necessary evils: someone watches media in a language they don't know, they need some way to understand what is going on. You can either include subtitles, but have the viewer slightly distracted from the main action and performances or you can dub the actors and lose the original performances but have all your focus on the action. For a series marketed partly to children, dubbing is the only real option -- some kids cannot read quickly enough to still be able to enjoy the product.

But regardless, there is something inherently unnatural about dubbing -- less so for cartoons than series with actors, but still. I think a good dub sticks as close to conveying what the original actors and directors wanted to convey, to reduce that feeling of the unnatural.

The idea of putting drastically different voices, and even worse: changing the music seems so weird to me. It might be better or worse, depending on preferences, but it is not the same product. It is almost a form of trickery on the audience: in that people end up seeing the dubbed product as the way things *should* be, even though it is not the original.

At that point it is not a dub, it is a remake, the way Kai is a remake of DBZ. Maybe it is a cultural factor in the US/english speaking countries where the percentage of media that is dubbed is small relative to other countries and thus people have a different expectation of what a dub should do, because they don't see a uniformity in the role of dubs in general as a medium of translation. This goes beyond translation, and to a degree even beyond localization: some want a dub to be an editor of the final product.