Goku in Smash Bros?

[Hellspawn28]

Yeah but Goku would sell better in Injustice 2. Goku in a possible Injustice sequel would sell more then Predator, Jason and Freddy given how many people would want to see Goku fight Superman.

[DoomieDoomie911]

Frankly, Gokū in Smash would be a terrible idea. Even though he's appeared in many video games, he is not a video game character. Besides, every other third-party character has made sense so far; Pac-Man, Sonic, Mega Man, and Ryu are all very iconic video game characters. (Solid Snake was apparently done as a favor for Hideo Kojima.) It just wouldn't make sense to have Gokū as a character in Smash.

[BlazingBarrrager]

Frankly, Gokū in Smash would be a terrible idea. Even though he's appeared in many video games, he is not a video game character. Besides, every other third-party character has made sense so far; Pac-Man, Sonic, Mega Man, and Ryu are all very iconic video game characters. (Solid Snake was apparently done as a favor for Hideo Kojima.) It just wouldn't make sense to have Gokū as a character in Smash.

It also helps that those 3rd party characters appeared on a Nintendo system. Can't help but wonder how many people voted for Master Chief. XD

[TheDevilsCorpse]

He'd have no place in Smash, but I'd have taken the Chief. if only because I'm imagining him as some sort of hybrid of Ganondorf and Snake... xD

[BlazingBarrrager]

He'd have no place in Smash, but I'd have taken the Chief. if only because I'm imagining him as some sort of hybrid of Ganondorf and Snake... xD

Well Snake is possible for a return if he got enough votes, especially since Konami sounds like they are alright with it (they re-tweeted someone voting for Snake).

[Hellspawn28]

Frankly, Gokū in Smash would be a terrible idea. Even though he's appeared in many video games, he is not a video game character. Besides, every other third-party character has made sense so far; Pac-Man, Sonic, Mega Man, and Ryu are all very iconic video game characters. (Solid Snake was apparently done as a favor for Hideo Kojima.) It just wouldn't make sense to have Gokū as a character in Smash.

It also helps that those 3rd party characters appeared on a Nintendo system. Can't help but wonder how many people voted for Master Chief. XD

Well Cloud being in Smash throws the idea of 3rd party characters appeared on a Nintendo system out of the window now. However Goku is not a video game character, so his chances are still zero in Smash. Cloud started off as a video game character while Goku did not.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Well Cloud being in Smash throws the idea of 3rd party characters appeared on a Nintendo system out of the window now. However Goku is not a video game character, so his chances are still zero in Smash. Cloud started off as a video game character while Goku did not.

That's basically how I feel about it too. While it would have been better if they'd picked someone from a Final Fantasy title that had been on a Nintendo system, or Sora from Kingdom Hearts or something, at least Cloud is still primarily a video game character, with appearances in other forms of entertainment being extraneous really. Goku's the opposite - he originates from and is primarily an anime and manga character, with video games being just an additional medium, no matter how many he's been in.

Besides, if I want to use Goku to beat up characters from other franchises, I'll just pop in Jump Ultimate Stars or J-Stars Victory VS+.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

If you want to get technical, Cloud is in some of Nintendo's handheld Kingdom Hearts games. It's also possible that he could have been added as promotion for the FFVII remake to be brought to the NX as well.

[Hellspawn28]

Jibyanyan from Yokai Watch is more likely then Goku. At least Yokai Watch was a video game first before it became a anime. Not to mention the series is huge in Japan right now and Nintendo could use Smash Bros to help promote the game and the show in the US.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Jibyanyan from Yokai Watch is more likely then Goku. At least Yokai Watch was a video game first before it became a anime. Not to mention the series is huge in Japan right now and Nintendo could use Smash Bros to help promote the game and the show in the US.

I would be fine with that, been having fun with that game so far. Though actually, since I really liked how Pokemon Trainer worked back in Brawl, I wouldn't mind us getting Nate/Keita himself as a character and having a few of the more iconic Yo-Kai (including Jibyanyan) as the actual fighters we control.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

That's not going to happen though. There's a reason characters like Zelda/Sheik were split up and why Charizard was removed from his trainer.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Oh I know. It'd just be my personal preference, since again, I actually kind of liked how that worked in Brawl. I also miss the story mode, but that's not likely to ever make a comeback either, sadly.

[FoolsGil]

I'm a believer. Anyone can continue to say Oh Goku can't happen-CLOUD HAPPENED. There is no reason for that to have been possible. There was no loopholes, it was the fans asked for it and Sakurai apparently negotiated his ass off. So yeah, Goku is possible. At least DBZ games actually graced Nintendo Consoles. Final Fantasy 6 was the last Square Game on Nintendo.

[Gyt Kaliba]

It's not a matter of if it could, at least not for me - it's a matter of if it should.

Smash Bros. started off as a love letter to Nintendo and it's consoles and games over the years. That's still it's main focus, but to a degree it has also become a one-per-generation celebration of some of the most fun and iconic characters in gaming. Sonic has a long history, going back to rivalry days with Mario. Snake may have hit most of his stride on Sony consoles, but his journey still started back in the SNES days. Pac-man is one of the original icons of gaming. Same goes for Mega Man. Cloud is definitely not the best pick for the game from a 'being on Nintendo' point of view, but he's still one of the most iconic characters for a franchise that did get it's start with Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but much as I love Goku and the fact that there have been tons of games with him over the years, it's just not the same. Including Goku would really be no different from them going 'Hmm...well, there's been a fair share of Sesame Street games on our consoles in the past...Elmo for Smash?'.

[voltlunok]

I'm a believer. Anyone can continue to say Oh Goku can't happen-CLOUD HAPPENED. There is no reason for that to have been possible. There was no loopholes, it was the fans asked for it and Sakurai apparently negotiated his ass off. So yeah, Goku is possible. At least DBZ games actually graced Nintendo Consoles. Final Fantasy 6 was the last Square Game on Nintendo.

There is still one major thing against Goku in this, Cloud happened yes, but cloud is still a video game character while Goku is not. He's been in video games yes but he's first and foremost, an anime/manga character. The rules Sakurai (Least I believe it was Sakurai.) threw down were basically A) Must be an iconic video game character. B) Must have been on a nintendo console in some form. Cloud was in theatrhythm on a nintendo console, he was also in Kingdom Hearts: Chains of memory on the GBA...loophole achieved! It is also important to note that FF7 was gonna be on the N64 DD but that thing tanked and well...Square took FF7 to Sony after that. So contrary to some beliefs, Cloud does have some right to be in smash but Goku really doesn't...cause again, he wasn't a video game character first.

Plus like Gyt said, Smash is a celebration of video games and their iconic characters. In some ways, adding Goku would kinda soil that spirit of the game. I love goku as much as the next Dragon Ball fan but he doesn't need to be in everything ever. He has his own crossover game he jumps into all the time. (Ha! see what I did there? Jump? Jump stars? Hilarious.) But if by some insane black magic, Goku makes it in some how...ok. I think the chances are very, incredibly, super low but if it happens...ok. I probably wouldn't play him but at least he made it.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Again, he wasn't high on the list characters people ever expected to actually get in, but Cloud has been/will be on like half a dozen Nintendo games, including a couple of Kingdom Hearts titles, Final Fantasy's Theatrhythm series and now Explorers (as well as maybe getting the FFVII remake on NX). Sakurai never said the characters have to be from Nintendo, but he did say they have to originate from video games...Goku does not fit that bill. A translation of one of his Famitsu articles during Smash 4's development had him laughing at how absurd some fans were getting with their requests for characters like Spongebob or Goku. Yes, Goku was labeled as an absurd request by Sakurai himself.

[FoolsGil]

I'm a believer. Anyone can continue to say Oh Goku can't happen-CLOUD HAPPENED. There is no reason for that to have been possible. There was no loopholes, it was the fans asked for it and Sakurai apparently negotiated his ass off. So yeah, Goku is possible. At least DBZ games actually graced Nintendo Consoles. Final Fantasy 6 was the last Square Game on Nintendo.

There is still one major thing against Goku in this, Cloud happened yes, but cloud is still a video game character while Goku is not. He's been in video games yes but he's first and foremost, an anime/manga character. The rules Sakurai (Least I believe it was Sakurai.) threw down were basically A) Must be an iconic video game character. B) Must have been on a nintendo console in some form. Cloud was in theatrhythm on a nintendo console, he was also in Kingdom Hearts: Chains of memory on the GBA...loophole achieved! It is also important to note that FF7 was gonna be on the N64 DD but that thing tanked and well...Square took FF7 to Sony after that. So contrary to some beliefs, Cloud does have some right to be in smash but Goku really doesn't...cause again, he wasn't a video game character first.

Plus like Gyt said, Smash is a celebration of video games and their iconic characters. In some ways, adding Goku would kinda soil that spirit of the game. I love goku as much as the next Dragon Ball fan but he doesn't need to be in everything ever. He has his own crossover game he jumps into all the time. (Ha! see what I did there? Jump? Jump stars? Hilarious.) But if by some insane black magic, Goku makes it in some how...ok. I think the chances are very, incredibly, super low but if it happens...ok. I probably wouldn't play him but at least he made it.

Kingdom Hearts isn't Cloud's game it's Sora's game. Sora makes sense. Cloud guest starred. And it has nothing to do with loopholes! A loophole signifies that there is nothing that the other party can do because of law. A Loophole, an honest to goodness loophole is Because Cloud guest starred on Kingdom Hearts, Nintendo can use Cloud without asking for Square-Enix's permission. That is a loophole. Second, loopholes do not work if the creator of the series uses them! Now perhaps Sakurai stated or implied that only characters that graced Nintendo can be in Smash Brothers. But it's not a loophole if he changes his mind. It's a loophole if one of us said bla bla Cloud on some port of KH and the law stepped in to say "Yeah make it happen. None of this is actually happening. It is not a loophole!

[BlazingBarrrager]

Again, he wasn't high on the list characters people ever expected to actually get in, but Cloud has been/will be on like half a dozen Nintendo games, including a couple of Kingdom Hearts titles, Final Fantasy's Theatrhythm series and now Explorers (as well as maybe getting the FFVII remake on NX). Sakurai never said the characters have to be from Nintendo, but he did say they have to originate from video games...Goku does not fit that bill. A translation of one of his Famitsu articles during Smash 4's development had him laughing at how absurd some fans were getting with their requests for characters like Spongebob or Goku. Yes, Goku was labeled as an absurd request by Sakurai himself.

Huh. At least now I have something to counteract fans thinking Goku would be great for Smash.

Nonetheless, I'm fine with Cloud's inclusion into Smash. From what was shown, I like his moveset and how they implemented Limit Break into his moveset. Also glad that his Advent Children attire is in as a seperate costume.

[Hellspawn28]

Sakurai said that Smash Bros is for video game characters only. Goku is a anime and manga character. They need to be in a video game first before showing up in anything else. If we want to throw in Goku then we should add Shrek and Batman in too since they are more iconic Goku and a lot of people request them in Smash too.

[Chuquita]

People request Batman?
...now I kinda wanna see Batman in SSB. >_>
But then which Batman? Hnn....

Well, if the people behind Smash Bros barred non videogame origin characters, there's nothing that can be done about it. I'd really like to play Gokû in SSB, but if they already said no, that's it I guess.