Comedy vs Drama. Which would you get rid of?

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Re: Comedy vs Drama. Which would you get rid of?

Post by Chuquita » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:05 pm

Re: Gotenks

Oddly the only place he's ever bothered me is Xenoverse, where his voice was only irritating in the context of it being a game.

Other than that I can take or leave him.
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Re: Comedy vs Drama. Which would you get rid of?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:24 pm

For the record, Gotenks doesn't bother me at all. I just don't find him funny. Neat character with very interesting moves. Never once has made me chuckle though.
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Post by Bullza » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:51 pm

Same I don't dislike Gotenks but I don't care for him at all. I'd be perfectly fine with never seeing him again.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:56 pm

Gotenks fight with Super Buu was very entertaining and funny just like with Vegetto. However unlike Vegetto he didn't disappear for good and I do feel like he has overstayed his welcome so I would be very well down for him to get canned.

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Re: Comedy vs Drama. Which would you get rid of?

Post by successoroffate » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:59 pm

I would keep them both. The show needs them and should stay as it is. Dramatic when it has to be and joyful/funny just like Super's last episode.
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Re: Comedy vs Drama. Which would you get rid of?

Post by Draconic » Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:41 pm

None. What I would get rid off is comedy moments during tense scenes, but the silly comedy aspect is what makes Dragon Ball so great, so there is no justification to get rid of it all. And when you have a series based on martial arts, drama is a given, otherwise there would be no story, so getting rid of that is stupid.

However, one should not interfere with the other (unless done cleverly, like Goku bitting Frieza's tail)
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Re: Comedy vs Drama. Which would you get rid of?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:52 pm

Ever since characters got tremendously powerful, I feel this series works a lot better without comedy (e.g. Bardock special 1, History of Trunks, majority of Frieza and Cell arcs, etc.) than it does without drama (e.g. 90% of Super). The reason something like the driving episode works so well is because we're so used to seeing these characters in intense, supernatural situations that it's hilarious to see rare moments of them trying to function as regular earthlings and failing miserably. If these comedic episodes were in excess, the concept would lose its novelty (*hint hint*).

The spectrum should always lean towards the serious side, but this can be balanced out. Though, as mentioned, it doesn't really need to be. The Piccolo saga changed the tone for the better. I don't see how anyone can appreciate Super, which not only regresses, but diverts away from this. :?
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Re: Comedy vs Drama. Which would you get rid of?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:57 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:I don't see how anyone can appreciate Super, which not only regresses, but diverts away from this. :?
That's the thing though - you and everyone else that doesn't like it, you seem to still be either watching or at least following along with it. If it's no longer to your interest, what's to stop you from just going 'Nope, I'm done, the story for me ends where the manga does' or 'GT is my continuation of the series'. Why bother continuing to follow along with something you don't even like?
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Re: Comedy vs Drama. Which would you get rid of?

Post by ABED » Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:31 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Ever since characters got tremendously powerful, I feel this series works a lot better without comedy (e.g. Bardock special 1, History of Trunks, majority of Freeza and Cell arcs, etc.) than it does without drama (e.g. 90% of Super). The reason something like the driving episode works so well is because we're so used to seeing these characters in intense, supernatural situations that it's hilarious to see rare moments of them trying to function as regular earthlings and failing miserably. If these comedic episodes were in excess, the concept would lose its novelty (*hint hint*).<br abp="714"><br abp="715">The spectrum should always lean towards the serious side, but this can be balanced out. Though, as mentioned, it doesn't really need to be. The Piccolo saga changed the tone for the better. I don't see how anyone can appreciate Super, which not only regresses, but diverts away from this. :?
The problem isn't the comedy, it's when the comedy is used. It's the difference between Iron Man 1 and Iron Man 3. Both movies are very funny, the problem is that 3 always uses it to undercut moments that should remain earnest. Buffy is another example of a show that is VERY funny but knows when to make a joke and when to keep the drama. I don't want everything to be like the Piccolo Daimao arc. It works because it was different. Even the next arc was considerably lighter, but still knew when to keep it serious. Having a good mix of comedy and drama can accentuate both. Scrubs did an amazing job of this.
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Re: Comedy vs Drama. Which would you get rid of?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:01 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:That's the thing though - you and everyone else that doesn't like it, you seem to still be either watching or at least following along with it. If it's no longer to your interest, what's to stop you from just going 'Nope, I'm done, the story for me ends where the manga does' or 'GT is my continuation of the series'. Why bother continuing to follow along with something you don't even like?
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fadeddreams5 wrote:Ever since characters got tremendously powerful, I feel this series works a lot better without comedy (e.g. Bardock special 1, History of Trunks, majority of Freeza and Cell arcs, etc.) than it does without drama (e.g. 90% of Super). The reason something like the driving episode works so well is because we're so used to seeing these characters in intense, supernatural situations that it's hilarious to see rare moments of them trying to function as regular earthlings and failing miserably. If these comedic episodes were in excess, the concept would lose its novelty (*hint hint*).<br abp="714"><br abp="715">The spectrum should always lean towards the serious side, but this can be balanced out. Though, as mentioned, it doesn't really need to be. The Piccolo saga changed the tone for the better. I don't see how anyone can appreciate Super, which not only regresses, but diverts away from this. :?
The problem isn't the comedy, it's when the comedy is used. It's the difference between Iron Man 1 and Iron Man 3. Both movies are very funny, the problem is that 3 always uses it to undercut moments that should remain earnest. Buffy is another example of a show that is VERY funny but knows when to make a joke and when to keep the drama. I don't want everything to be like the Piccolo Daimao arc. It works because it was different. Even the next arc was considerably lighter, but still knew when to keep it serious. Having a good mix of comedy and drama can accentuate both. Scrubs did an amazing job of this.
Oh yeah, I agree. That's what I meant by leaning towards the serious side, but balancing it out.

I was also referring to the extreme case of getting rid of either drama or comedy for the other.
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Re: Comedy vs Drama. Which would you get rid of?

Post by ABED » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:46 pm

I don't think you get what I mean, the issue isn't that there's too much comedy, it's comedy used at inappropriate moments. There can still be the same amount of laughs, but what matters is where they are inserted.
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