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Re: Favourite Overlooked Moments?

Post by precita » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:32 pm

I also loved King Furry during the Cell games recognizing Goku on the TV screen as being the one who beat King Piccolo years ago. I wonder why they didn't show King Furry in the Saiyan saga when the Saiyans came to Earth?

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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:45 pm

This is actually from the FUNi dub of Z, believe it or not. It was during the Majin Boo arc when Vegeta had become Majin Vegeta and was wreaking havoc at the World Martial Arts Tournament. Gohan questions whether it really matter whether Vegeta is being controlled by Babidi in committing such atrocities to fight Goku or whether he's doing it out his own will based on the long grudge that Vegeta holds against Goku. And then Vegeta says, "Not to you Gohan, but to a warrior it matters greatly." The line for me really subtly summed up the how Vegeta truly felt about Gohan personally. Even when he himself saw Gohan jump to front line against all odds against the Nappa and himself on Earth when he was child or against the Ginyu Force and Freeza on Namek or when became a cold-blooded sadist as a SSJ2 at the Cell Games, he ultimately just saw Gohan as a boy that conveniently had Saiyan blood him. He never really saw him as a true Saiyan. This line works even better as it actually got foreshadowing as when Gohan was taking on Dabra, Vegeta was getting really upset when Gohan wasn't getting the job done, and even called him out for slacking off and not keeping up with his training and getting weaker in the last seven years.

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Re: Favourite Overlooked Moments?

Post by TheUltimateVegito » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:14 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:This is actually from the FUNi dub of Z, believe it or not. It was during the Majin Boo arc when Vegeta had become Majin Vegeta and was wreaking havoc at the World Martial Arts Tournament. Gohan questions whether it really matter whether Vegeta is being controlled by Babidi in committing such atrocities to fight Goku or whether he's doing it out his own will based on the long grudge that Vegeta holds against Goku. And then Vegeta says, "Not to you Gohan, but to a warrior it matters greatly." The line for me really subtly summed up the how Vegeta truly felt about Gohan personally. Even when he himself saw Gohan jump to front line against all odds against the Nappa and himself on Earth when he was child or against the Ginyu Force and Freeza on Namek or when became a cold-blooded sadist as a SSJ2 at the Cell Games, he ultimately just saw Gohan as a boy that conveniently had Saiyan blood him. He never really saw him as a true Saiyan. This line works even better as it actually got foreshadowing as when Gohan was taking on Dabra, Vegeta was getting really upset when Gohan wasn't getting the job done, and even called him out for slacking off and not keeping up with his training and getting weaker in the last seven years.
That was one of my favorite Vegeta lines too. It emphasised how much pride means to a Saiyan more than a human.
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Re: Favourite Overlooked Moments?

Post by Hero » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:17 am

Lord Beerus wrote:This is actually from the FUNi dub of Z, believe it or not. It was during the Majin Boo arc when Vegeta had become Majin Vegeta and was wreaking havoc at the World Martial Arts Tournament. Gohan questions whether it really matter whether Vegeta is being controlled by Babidi in committing such atrocities to fight Goku or whether he's doing it out his own will based on the long grudge that Vegeta holds against Goku. And then Vegeta says, "Not to you Gohan, but to a warrior it matters greatly." The line for me really subtly summed up the how Vegeta truly felt about Gohan personally. Even when he himself saw Gohan jump to front line against all odds against the Nappa and himself on Earth when he was child or against the Ginyu Force and Freeza on Namek or when became a cold-blooded sadist as a SSJ2 at the Cell Games, he ultimately just saw Gohan as a boy that conveniently had Saiyan blood him. He never really saw him as a true Saiyan. This line works even better as it actually got foreshadowing as when Gohan was taking on Dabra, Vegeta was getting really upset when Gohan wasn't getting the job done, and even called him out for slacking off and not keeping up with his training and getting weaker in the last seven years.
Me and my brother actually laughed the first time we heard that line because it was such an insult to Gohan. Now it just makes me sad since Gohan is my favorite character :(

Another overlooked moment is when the Goku tells Gohan that he doesn't want to be wished back after the Cell Games and tells his son that he has "nothing left to teach him."

Gohan then yells up at the sky, "But that doesn't mean I don't need you!"

As much as I love Cell Games Gohan's original Funi voice, the delivery in Kai for this line almost made me tear up. It's just a single line but it shows that more than just a teacher, Gohan needed a father in Goku which is something I feel he never really got. The two times they spent the most together were training for the Androids and the RoSaT, both heavy with fate of the world in the balance.

Another moment is this frame:

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I just love how confident and proud of himself Gohan looks. Most people associate the growth of Gohan in this part of the show as being in the Cell Games, but for me that was just the beginning. During the games he was timid, unsure of himself and was ready to let himself and everyone else die after he thought he couldn't win. But in this pic, he knows that he's made his dad proud and even more importantly, himself proud. Also, he's in a way accepted his father's decision to not come back to life and can know look up at Goku smiling.

And while this may not be a moment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulhTlziH_Ek

I love love love this preview because it really dissects Goku's character. In it, Chi Chi tells Goku that she "misses him so much."

Goku's response is to say he's sorry and reassures her with, "But, hey, I'm sure we're gonna meet again."

Chi Chi then tells him that him being sure is not "good enough."

Goku's response is so in-character here as it is so like him to just believe that the future is going to be better even if the facts say otherwise. At this point, he was dead and wanted to stay dead and there was no way for him to really know if Chi Chi would keep her body after death. After all, she never really fought for the world like he did so there was no reason for her to not just be a cloud like everyone else. But still, all he can say and believe is that they will one day meet again. Some of you might say that this is just him making her feel better, but I truly think he believes this, just like he believed and made a gamble that two kids could learn fusion and be strong enough to beat Buu (which is why Buu-arc Goku doesn't seem ooc to me at all).

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Re: Favourite Overlooked Moments?

Post by TheUltimateVegito » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:34 pm

Hero wrote: Goku's response is so in-character here as it is so like him to just believe that the future is going to be better even if the facts say otherwise. At this point, he was dead and wanted to stay dead and there was no way for him to really know if Chi Chi would keep her body after death. After all, she never really fought for the world like he did so there was no reason for her to not just be a cloud like everyone else. But still, all he can say and believe is that they will one day meet again. Some of you might say that this is just him making her feel better, but I truly think he believes this, just like he believed and made a gamble that two kids could learn fusion and be strong enough to beat Buu (which is why Buu-arc Goku doesn't seem ooc to me at all).
Goku might still be able to meet her in spirit form. It'd be pretty sad, but at least he's still seeing her.
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Re: Favourite Overlooked Moments?

Post by ABED » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:44 pm

The two times they spent the most together were training for the Androids and the RoSaT, both heavy with fate of the world in the balance.
And the 4 or so years after Gohan was born.
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Re: Favourite Overlooked Moments?

Post by precita » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:06 am

While I believe this is anime-only, I loved the final attack on Cell had Piccolo, Krillin, Yamcha and Tien jumping in to fire at him. Instead of the 4 of them just standing there watching Gohan struggle against Cell with the final beam attack until Vegeta distracts Cell, I LOVED that all the fighters joined in.

The fact that Cell kept blasting them away but they kept getting up again shooting blasts at Cell, while also talking about how much Goku and Gohan meant to them was fantastic. Particular for Tien and Yamcha, since this was the last time they were a major part of the story and it felt like a good sendoff to them.

I honestly think its some of the best moments in the entire anime for Tien and Yamcha. No matter how outclassed they were against Cell they jumped into the fray to try and do what they could.

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Re: Favourite Overlooked Moments?

Post by AS_Saiyan » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:04 pm

I wouldn't say it's my favorite moment, but I really like this one.
The moment that among the fandom considered as the biggest fail ever and the funniest joke ever, the Death of Yamcha.
Think about it, Yamcha was Goku's first rival, he was there from the begining, and suddenly, he's dead. The death itself was also really surprising, You see yamcha beat the crap out of the saibaiman, you think it's over, and out of nowhere he jumps on Yamcha and blow the two of them to death. The consequences too were very emotinal, even though it is anime-only, the scene where Pu'ar and Bulma cry over him, when you know how much they've been through with him. Bulma as his on-and-off girlfriend, and Pu'ar as his life-long friend. I really had tears while watching this scene. And also Kuririn's reaction to Yamcha's death. Kuririn and Yamcha know each other for a long time too, the two were training together for 3 years under Muten Roshi, and since then stayed as friends for all this time. Watching him crying and seeking revange over Yamcha's death (which led to the awesome moment of him killing the saibaimen too) was also a new side of him We've never saw before.
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Re: Favourite Overlooked Moments?

Post by Noah » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:49 pm

There are plenty, but I can certainly talk about two:

#1

Reason: Everything about this scene is perfect for me, Trunks walks slowly close to Gohan corpse not believing in what he was seeing, his mentor, his teacher, his friend, his only friend was dead. Trunks keeps screaming Gohan's name and all the suffering in this moment leads to anger, so much anger that you can see the blood in his hands because he was pressing too much! One of the best transformations in the series so far.

#2

Reason: This scene breaks me emotionally sometimes. Is not only that I felt sorry for Vegeta for plenty reasons, but for Mirai Trunks going against 17 advice to save his father who neglected his son all the way here, we can see that Trunks always had curiosity about the figure that was Vegeta in his timeline, I can see he being really disappointed about his father don't really caring about family at all, but the man is still his father and he accepts the way it is, and shows that he really cares for him trying to save him, it's really touching for me.
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Re: Favourite Overlooked Moments?

Post by precita » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:03 pm

AS_Saiyan wrote: The moment that among the fandom considered as the biggest fail ever and the funniest joke ever, the Death of Yamcha.
Yeah, I think the impact on this is lost because dub fans saw DBZ before Dragonball and didn't know Yamcha's history at the time. If you watch Dragonball first and go into the Saiyan arc, it really is surprising to see all the big heroes from Dragonball die.

4 of the major characters of Dragonball, including Piccolo who was almost the main villain of the previous arc, all get wiped out. I mean it just really puts into perspective how outclassed they all were compared to the Saiyans. Back then you thought they were as strong as they could be too.

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Post by MarCas92 » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:21 pm

Noah wrote:There are plenty, but I can certainly talk about two:

#1

Reason: Everything about this scene is perfect for me, Trunks walks slowly close to Gohan corpse not believing in what he was seeing, his mentor, his teacher, his friend, his only friend was dead. Trunks keeps screaming Gohan's name and all the suffering in this moment leads to anger, so much anger that you can see the blood in his hands because he was pressing to much! One of the best transformations in the series so far.
I don't think this is an overlooked moment at all. Am I wrong? Don't people always gush about how great this is? That was always my impression.
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Re: Favourite Overlooked Moments?

Post by Noah » Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:06 pm

MarCas92 wrote:I don't think this is an overlooked moment at all. Am I wrong? Don't people always gush about how great this is? That was always my impression.
Really? I always though people prefered Goku first SSJ transformation or SSJ2 Gohan than this. :think:
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Re: Favourite Overlooked Moments?

Post by MajinMan » Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:39 am

When Vegeta's eye twitches when Piccolo tells him that he won't see Goku ever again and that his soul will be cleansed when he dies.
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Post by precita » Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:33 pm

I also like Gohan going fishing with the Ox King after Cell is killed. You know we rarely ever see Gohan interact with Ox King, even though he's his grandfather. To see some grandfather/grandson bonding was great.

I also loved how Ox King defended Gohan's decision to go fight Cell while Chi Chi was going crazy in the house, saying he was doing it to defend the world. Ox King is a much better and understanding parent figure than either Chi Chi or Goku.

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Re: Favourite Overlooked Moments?

Post by Draconic » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:22 pm

In the anime, when Goku wakes up after getting better from the heart virus, there is a scene where Roshi is attempting to fix the door handle to Goku's room. He drops it and enters the room, stumbling upon Goku and Chi Chi saying goodbye, as he was leaving for Kami's Lookout. The camera doesn't show their faces, but it is implied that they kiss. It's a great scene, showing that Goku does indeed know how to show affection to his wife, weather he truly loves her like a soul mate, or as a friend/companion. The fact that the kiss isn't shown makes it all the better. Helps keeping his image :lol:
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Post by Noah » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:27 pm

Draconic wrote:In the anime, when Goku wakes up after getting better from the heart virus, there is a scene where Roshi is attempting to fix the door handle to Goku's room. He drops it and enters the room, stumbling upon Goku and Chi Chi saying goodbye, as he was leaving for Kami's Lookout. The camera doesn't show their faces, but it is implied that they kiss. It's a great scene, showing that Goku does indeed know how to show affection to his wife, weather he truly loves her like a soul mate, or as a friend/companion. The fact that the kiss isn't shown makes it all the better. Helps keeping his image :lol:
That's is one scene that I like too for all these reasons you cited above, shame that wasn't in the manga.
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Post by precita » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:25 pm

I also like how everytime something bad happens to Goku, Master Roshi is able to sense it. When Planet Namek exploded in space, Master Roshi is sitting there talking to Yajirobe about how he thinks something bad happened.

When Goku transports Cell to King Kai's planet and he dies, they immediately cut to a scene of Roshi talking to Bulma about Goku's fate. I know most of these are anime scenes, but I love the fact that even years later Master Roshi is still Goku's mentor and is able to sense what happens to him.

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Re: Favourite Overlooked Moments?

Post by Doctor. » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:09 pm

I'll add this one. It's a really nice and powerful filler scene that, admittedly, makes no sense as to how Goku could have been imagining all of that, but still.

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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:35 pm

God I hate saying this but what a shame Yamamoto was a thief because this BGM is amazaballs! The one from that video Doctor showed.

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Re: Favourite Overlooked Moments?

Post by precita » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:02 pm

Launch's filler scenes in DBZ were fantastic. It really puts into perspective why she wasn't at Roshi's house anymore and the way she tried to follow Tien up Korin's tower was hilarious. I especially liked seeing Uppa and Bora again too.

Launch's last scene of getting drunk alone in a bar has such delicious irony.

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