Stuff that makes no sense in Super

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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by Ssgvegito30 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:54 pm

I hope bulla is included in super in the near future, if she doesn't than gt is definatly forgotten but I hope that's not the case!!!!
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Post by IM21 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:33 pm

Ssgvegito30 wrote:I hope bulla is included in super in the near future, if she doesn't than gt is definatly forgotten but I hope that's not the case!!!!
GT is not the problem here, cause Bulla was already presented in Z. Some people think that she was only in GT but thats not true.

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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by Ssgvegito30 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:40 pm

I know that all I'm saying is if she doesn't get born than gt has nothing to do with super therefore the ending of z is also changed!!!
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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by SoundVox » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:56 am

Gyt Kaliba wrote: (just because Gohan aged more like a normal human doesn't mean Goten and Trunks would. With Trunks it's a little more questionable given we've seen his alternate self, but eh)
Guess childhood trauma and stress actually boosts physical growth. Go figure.

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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by D_Gabe » Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:25 pm

Yeah... The main things that concern me has to do with the age of the characters.

- Goten and Trunks still look like 8 year olds even though many years have passed, Gohan and Videl finished school, married and had Pan.

- Regarding Bulla's appearance. Bulla should have been born already!!!!! Bulla is like 10 years old in the last 2-3 episodes of Dragon Ball Z. She's definitely older than Pan, so she should be like 2-3 years old by now, at least.

- Krillin's daughter should have grown a lot already. She was like 4-5 in the Buu Saga, she should be like 7 or 8 by now.

They should adress all these issues 'cause they are interfering with the canon.

They should have considered Z's last story arc before attempting to write a continuation of the Bu saga to fill the gaps.

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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by D_Gabe » Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:27 pm

SoundVox wrote:
Gyt Kaliba wrote: (just because Gohan aged more like a normal human doesn't mean Goten and Trunks would. With Trunks it's a little more questionable given we've seen his alternate self, but eh)
Guess childhood trauma and stress actually boosts physical growth. Go figure.
The thing is, many years have passed, and growth spurt hasn't affected only Goten and Trunks. It has also affected Krillin's daughter. (and the absence of Bulla, by the way).

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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by UltimateSSJG » Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:42 pm

D_Gabe wrote:Yeah... The main things that concern me has to do with the age of the characters.

- Goten and Trunks still look like 8 year olds even though many years have passed, Gohan and Videl finished school, married and had Pan.

- Regarding Bulla's appearance. Bulla should have been born already!!!!! Bulla is like 10 years old in the last 2-3 episodes of Dragon Ball Z. She's definitely older than Pan, so she should be like 2-3 years old by now, at least.

- Krillin's daughter should have grown a lot already. She was like 4-5 in the Buu Saga, she should be like 7 or 8 by now.

They should adress all these issues 'cause they are interfering with the canon.

They should have considered Z's last story arc before attempting to write a continuation of the Bu saga to fill the gaps.
Man, the fountain of youth is really hitting it hard for Goten, Trunks and Marron

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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by Ssgvegito30 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:50 pm

D_Gabe wrote:Yeah... The main things that concern me has to do with the age of the characters.

- Goten and Trunks still look like 8 year olds even though many years have passed, Gohan and Videl finished school, married and had Pan.

- Regarding Bulla's appearance. Bulla should have been born already!!!!! Bulla is like 10 years old in the last 2-3 episodes of Dragon Ball Z. She's definitely older than Pan, so she should be like 2-3 years old by now, at least.

- Krillin's daughter should have grown a lot already. She was like 4-5 in the Buu Saga, she should be like 7 or 8 by now.

They should adress all these issues 'cause they are interfering with the canon.

They should have considered Z's last story arc before attempting to write a continuation of the Bu saga to fill the gaps.
I agree with you for the most part regarding the ages and appearance of gotten and trunks and Marron but your totally wrong on bulla's age she's 1 yr younger than pan pan was born in age 779 and bulla was born in age 780 and currently in super the age is 780 so yes she should be born anytime now, I don't know where you got that bulla is 3 yrs older than pan research before you say something!!!!
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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by ultimateemail5000 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:51 pm

If none of this makes sense then you don't know Dragon Ball.

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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by TheMikado » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:53 am

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Second it seems a bit overkill to create a warrior surpassing Majin Buu
And yet Dr. Myuu created a machine mutant stronger then Buu in GT. Your point?
Just pointing this out as other people have said. The generational power levels relative to the enemies scale.

I.E. The Heroes are now X powerful so the villian is by default X+1 powerful. In turn the Hero becomes as powerful as needed to defeat said enemy.

That said, the SSG power level makes no sense in the greater narrative. Let's assume that the most powerful Saiyan was at 10,000 and then in said Oozuru form x 10 he became 100,000. The SSG should have be able to just spam random energy bombs or at least do the equivalent of Buu's extinction bomb. Even if the SSG didn't know Ki blasts, he should have had incredible speed to the point where he could have gone around plucking them in the head with his pinky and KOing everyone.

If you really want to get into the narrative, what was the end game? Did he intend to slaughter them all or did he plan on them suddenly turning "good" again after being KOed? If he was going to kill them anyway why not leave the planet and blow it up from a far. Anyway, this is not the worst narrative piece about Super by a long shot.

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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by dbgtFO » Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:15 pm

TheMikado wrote:That said, the SSG power level makes no sense in the greater narrative. Let's assume that the most powerful Saiyan was at 10,000 and then in said Oozuru form x 10 he became 100,000. The SSG should have be able to just spam random energy bombs or at least do the equivalent of Buu's extinction bomb. Even if the SSG didn't know Ki blasts, he should have had incredible speed to the point where he could have gone around plucking them in the head with his pinky and KOing everyone.

If you really want to get into the narrative, what was the end game? Did he intend to slaughter them all or did he plan on them suddenly turning "good" again after being KOed? If he was going to kill them anyway why not leave the planet and blow it up from a far. Anyway, this is not the worst narrative piece about Super by a long shot.
Toriyama himself stated, that the power one has as a Super Saiyan God is dependent on the power one already had beforehand, so Goku being a match for 70% Beerus does in no way mean those backwater Saiyans, who got owned by the evil Saiyans, produced a SSGod with the same power as Godku.

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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by Neon Z » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:31 pm

TheMikado wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:
Second it seems a bit overkill to create a warrior surpassing Majin Buu
And yet Dr. Myuu created a machine mutant stronger then Buu in GT. Your point?
Just pointing this out as other people have said. The generational power levels relative to the enemies scale.

I.E. The Heroes are now X powerful so the villian is by default X+1 powerful. In turn the Hero becomes as powerful as needed to defeat said enemy.

That said, the SSG power level makes no sense in the greater narrative. Let's assume that the most powerful Saiyan was at 10,000 and then in said Oozuru form x 10 he became 100,000. The SSG should have be able to just spam random energy bombs or at least do the equivalent of Buu's extinction bomb. Even if the SSG didn't know Ki blasts, he should have had incredible speed to the point where he could have gone around plucking them in the head with his pinky and KOing everyone.

If you really want to get into the narrative, what was the end game? Did he intend to slaughter them all or did he plan on them suddenly turning "good" again after being KOed? If he was going to kill them anyway why not leave the planet and blow it up from a far. Anyway, this is not the worst narrative piece about Super by a long shot.
It's very likely that he avoided killing the other Saiyans hoping that they could turn a new leaf, but then when time ran out he was killed. If he had just killed every other Saiyan in the area there'd be no problem after time ran out.

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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:07 pm

Ginyu being so strong in Tagoma's body made no sense to me when he had a hard time using Goku's full power in Goku's body.
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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:42 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Ginyu being so strong in Tagoma's body made no sense to me when he had a hard time using Goku's full power in Goku's body.
Ginyu being alive in any form is total bullshit, in my opinion. But it didn't matter anyway. Toei wasted Ginyu coming back.

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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by ekrolo2 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:44 pm

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Hellspawn28 wrote:Ginyu being so strong in Tagoma's body made no sense to me when he had a hard time using Goku's full power in Goku's body.
Ginyu being alive in any form is total bullshit, in my opinion. But it didn't matter anyway. Toei wasted Ginyu coming back.
Should've brought him back for a comedic mini-arc as the leader of the Red Pants army with him stroking his old frog body like Blofeld.
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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by precita » Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:00 pm

Maron still being a toddler is mind blowing. Makes no sense. At least show has a kid.

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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:04 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Ginyu being so strong in Tagoma's body made no sense to me when he had a hard time using Goku's full power in Goku's body.
Ginyu being alive in any form is total bullshit, in my opinion. But it didn't matter anyway. Toei wasted Ginyu coming back.
Should've brought him back for a comedic mini-arc as the leader of the Red Pants army with him stroking his old frog body like Blofeld.
That would brilliant. God, I hope one day that the material from Dragon Ball Online is adapted into a manga or anime of some sort in the near future. It's a fucking goldmine of content.

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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:05 pm

Super's power levels. People here put far more logic into them, than what actually exists.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by bleed0range » Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:45 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:Ginyu being so strong in Tagoma's body made no sense to me when he had a hard time using Goku's full power in Goku's body.
That's because Goku was a fighting genius who knew how to pull power from his body that someone without that knowledge wouldn't be able to. Ginyu was used to taking a new body and just having the power, Goku's body is much weaker to someone who doesn't know how to take advantage of it.

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Re: Stuff that makes no sense in Super

Post by D_Gabe » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:37 pm

Ssgvegito30 wrote:
D_Gabe wrote:Yeah... The main things that concern me has to do with the age of the characters.

- Goten and Trunks still look like 8 year olds even though many years have passed, Gohan and Videl finished school, married and had Pan.

- Regarding Bulla's appearance. Bulla should have been born already!!!!! Bulla is like 10 years old in the last 2-3 episodes of Dragon Ball Z. She's definitely older than Pan, so she should be like 2-3 years old by now, at least.

- Krillin's daughter should have grown a lot already. She was like 4-5 in the Buu Saga, she should be like 7 or 8 by now.

They should adress all these issues 'cause they are interfering with the canon.

They should have considered Z's last story arc before attempting to write a continuation of the Bu saga to fill the gaps.
I agree with you for the most part regarding the ages and appearance of gotten and trunks and Marron but your totally wrong on bulla's age she's 1 yr younger than pan pan was born in age 779 and bulla was born in age 780 and currently in super the age is 780 so yes she should be born anytime now, I don't know where you got that bulla is 3 yrs older than pan research before you say something!!!!
Bulla is clearly older than Pan, for crying out loud!!!! Have you ever watched the last couple of episodes from Z and all GT? Bulla is clearly 3-5 years older than Pan.

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