Should Funimation skip the first two DB Super arcs?

[superrayman3]

Though I'm sure this won't actually happen, considering how the retellings were extremely awful and pointless that airing them first can harm the merchandise, treating them as the "lost episodes" would be much better business-wise. If I were in charge of the marketing in the US, I would definitely do so and let them air the movies instead no matter how purist fans rant.

That's easier said than done in this case though, remember FUNi did the same thing with DBGT and it blew up in their faces (I actually can't believe they aired that damned recap episode thing in the Nicktoons run of GT), not only that but FUNi is known for being as faithful to the original Japanese version of a product as possible, so FUNi has a dilema, do they air BOG and RF and skip to after those arcs and do a lost episodes stunt again and be accused of going back to old ways again and risk hurting their reputation? Or do they air Super in its entirety and possibly risk turning some fans away? Either way you look at it FUNi's in a no-win situation.

Furthermore, Toei shouldn't have produced the retelling episodes in the first place. They should've directly gotten to the new story from the beginning. For the international market, just produce some additional episodes with footage recycled from the movies.

Agreed it would have been more cost and time efficient, so it baffles me as to why they had to re-tell the movie arcs at all instead of just expanding on what's been already laid out.

[kei17]

That's easier said than done in this case though, remember FUNi did the same thing with DBGT and it blew up in their faces (I actually can't believe they aired that damned recap episode thing in the Nicktoons run of GT), not only that but FUNi is known for being as faithful to the original Japanese version of a product as possible, so FUNi has a dilema, do they air BOG and RF and skip to after those arcs and do a lost episodes stunt again and be accused of going back to old ways again and risk hurting their reputation? Or do they air Super in its entirety and possibly risk turning some fans away? Either way you look at it FUNi's in a no-win situation.

After seeing so many fans being disappointed at the quality of the retellings, I doubt they'd get mad like the case with GT. They aren't even new unlike the skipped episodes in GT.

How did the "lost episode" thing affected their business at the time by the way? I guess it didn't really harm anything sales-wise.

[ShaneisMC]

I may be completely off here and if so someone please come in and explain why this train of thought isn't likely to pan out. But my gut reaction would be to feel like unlike the majority of us here who are extra critical of the work that is created and released that the casual fan would be exactly what they are. They're just a casual fan. They arent exactly going to be picking the whole thing apart every episode and looking at every single little detail. They'll just see "New Dragon Ball stuff" say omg that sounds cool! and then tune in and watch it semi mindlessly just because "zomg my childhood is back hooray!". And unlike the first arc of GT which was genuinely quite boring and whatnot I dont personally see the first two arcs of Super as particularly "boring" almost at all. Regardless of the hit and miss quality of the show otherwise.

[Vijay]

Everyone's got different taste, but quite frankly I consider GT's Black Star Dragon Ball Arc > Super's 2 Arcs

While Grand Tour took a nose-dive with its implausible executions in Planet Immega, Para Para Brothers & whole Doltacki/Lood segments, it was great frm Planet M2 segments. Giru's weird reactions & subsequent turncoat, Mega Cannon Sigma, General Rildo, Dr. Myuu & whole events leading up to Baby's intro. Just wow!

While it suffered frm poor executions & not living-up to its potential, Super suffered frm "Goddo" oversaturation. My 2 cents

[Cipher]

While Grand Tour took a nose-dive with its implausible executions in Planet Immega, Para Para Brothers & whole Doltacki/Lood segments, it was great frm Planet M2 segments. Giru's weird reactions & subsequent turncoat, Mega Cannon Sigma, General Rildo, Dr. Myuu & whole events leading up to Baby's intro. Just wow!

FUNimation must've agreed with you, because that's where their release started. Basically at the beginning of the M2 material.

I rather like the Ultimate Dragon Ball hunt in its entirety, but hey -- I'm not everyone.

Realest of talk? I'd almost have no problem with FUNimation skipping the first two Super arcs, though I think it's incredibly unlikely to happen.

Super suffered frm "Goddo" oversaturation

Nah. Super suffered from a slipshod, rushed production and the unenviable task of adapting two ninety-minute films into longer episodic arcs (although even given that task, I think parts were handled rather staggeringly poorly). Even if production remains troubled, it's crazy how much different it feels now that we're into material planned from the ground up to be serialized.

[ArchedThunder]

Yeah, they should just air the film versions on TV before Super starts and then later if they want they can release the first 27 episodes on DVD and Bluray as "Season Zero".

[successoroffate]

Do you guys think FUNI is getting the fixed animation episodes (Blu ray Release) or the original "controversial" ones?

[mecha3000]

Yeah, they should just air the film versions on TV before Super starts and then later if they want they can release the first 27 episodes on DVD and Bluray as "Season Zero".

Okay, I like your Dragon Ball Super: Season Zero idea because it can fit in with Funimation's season releases, but also work as a separation from the new Champa/U6 material, which can be the new show version's Season One. But for everyone saying they can just show the movies back-to-back, that's not at all what I'm saying. What I meant was create a recap episode that explains all the important stuff like

Spoiler:

Piccolo's death

for example. Resurrection 'F' didn't include that plot point and it's a big motivation for a certain character going forward so you can't just "Show the movies before the Champa Arc" to summarize everything. However, you could still show them as bonus promotion before the Champa Arc just to get people hyped.

Some fans might feel a recap episode can't summarize everything, but in my opinion, we shouldn't have to sit through two arcs of crap just because it includes little bits of new info that can be summarized easily in one episode. I mean, let's be honest:

Spoiler:

Freeza's training with Tagoma was just ONE quick little scene in the show and although it showed us a new Tagoma and Ginyu was eventually brought back, DO WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THOSE STORIES TOLD WHEN THEY CAN BE RECAPPED?

[Lord Beerus]

Do you guys think FUNI is getting the fixed animation episodes (Blu ray Release) or the original "controversial" ones?

I believe all the international versions of the show should get the original Japanese home release version of the show.

[mecha3000]

Do you guys think FUNI is getting the fixed animation episodes (Blu ray Release) or the original "controversial" ones?

I believe all the international versions of the show should get the original Japanese home release version of the show.

With the terrible and horrendous original animation the show had for some of its episodes? You want the original unaltered UNFIXED version?!!!!! Everyone's entitled you their own opinion, I guess, but I'm still shocked.

[irreality]

Hmm.. This is a difficult question. I think among fans of the series who are into watching things as soon as they come out and whatnot, of course the retellings are pointless, but is that most of the market that would see DBS on TV? I know lots of people who were "into dragon ball" back in the day and might watch it again in CN or something, but never went to see BoG or FnF in theaters and wouldn't buy or rent the movies as "homework" before watching a new series. So for them, it would be incredibly necessary to see those episodes, and I don't think "just broadcast the movies" is the right solution here: the story and in between episodes are slightly different.

But for the "fans really into dragon ball" -- skipping them with some creative editing might be the best. So what to do?

However, this is the second decade of the 21st century. We aren't bound by linear distribution. If Funimation puts the series on hulu or something else online, there is no reason to not have the beginning episodes distributed quickly as a block, and have weekly delayed release for the new stuff. People new to the show can start in episode 1, and those that want to skip the movies can skip around. For TV, this is harder, but even then, having some initial "block programming" of like a few episodes at at time and having it available online before moving to the new content at a slower pace might work for all audiences.

[Lord Beerus]

Do you guys think FUNI is getting the fixed animation episodes (Blu ray Release) or the original "controversial" ones?

I believe all the international versions of the show should get the original Japanese home release version of the show.

With the terrible and horrendous original animation the show had for some of its episodes? You want the original unaltered UNFIXED version?!!!!! Everyone's entitled you their own opinion, I guess, but I'm still shocked.

The original home release, the DVD/Blu-Ray version, of the show contains the the episodes with the fixed animations, most notably Episode 5. I'm not talking about the original TV broadcasting.

[mecha3000]

The original home release, the DVD/Blu-Ray version, of the show contains the the episodes with the fixed animations, most notably Episode 5. I'm not talking about the original TV broadcasting.

Oh, of course. My apologies, excuse me. (hits self on head for misinterpretation and launches self to the moon)

[sintzu]

No but I think they should make whoever's getting the TV deal air 2 episodes back to back before switching to 1 starting with ep28.

[Metalwario64]

I think so. A lot of things happened that ended up amounting to nothing, like Gotenks and Ginyu's roles, so it felt very GT-like in that respect. I also much prefer Resurrection F's fight choregraphy, as well as pretty much everything else about both movies. Oolong's antics went on WAY too far in Super, and it was very annoying, and Goku's fight with Beerus dragged on way too long, with way too many reused shots like when their ki turned into Dragons. I also much preferred how in BoG, Goku didn't like obtaining the God power without doing so on his own, and the training with Whis was a huge missed opportunity.

Some of the down time stuff was charming, but that was never the main draw of Dragon Ball for me (and I'm surprised so many people feel it's the main appeal of the show, since to me it was the martial arts and adventure, even from the beginning of Dragon Ball, though I'm not at all saying I don't want any character interaction).

I'd actually like it if they just skipped those two arcs. I know I could just not purchase them, but it would also mean waiting a lot longer to get to the actual new material on TV.

[ZombieVito]

I really hope not. They are the best versions of the events after all.

[Miracles]

Nope. Can't skip authentic material. Especially if it helps to bring in cash.

[ROCKYIII]

Did the same thing with the English version of GT. Skipped the first abomination mess of episodes collectively called "the black star dragonball arc" by OCD fans.

[mecha3000]

I don't mean to sound like 2003 Funimation here, but even from a casual fan standpoint, I think many fans would rather get right to Gohan developing into a possible badass again rather than what many fans consider Gohan's facepalm DB Super moments (Let's not forget. Many fans were saying GT Gohan was better than DB Super Gohan at one point). However, I do agree that the latter moment is probably needed so we see how it develops Gohan to get where he is in the current Super material.

Still, from seeing all of these comments, I suppose from a casual fan point of view, the retellings might be necessary and Funimation is probably beyond skipping the first two arcs and changing the original intent of the show (Still, what if Toei were the ones to suggest this to Funimation and urged Funimation to skip?). Now, I feel like if they were to skip those arcs, I'd be the one to blame because I suggested the idea. So yeah, if that's the case, I change my mind. GO FIRST TWO ARCS!!! (with sometimes crappy animation and sometimes superior moments)

[Low Tone G]

Absolutely! They should have skiped them and make some summary episodes, but they shouldn't skip the episodes between the arcs, they were refreshing and funny in my opinion.