List some Things that you don't like about the fandom

[Hellspawn28]

There is a lot of old movies and shows that have bad effects and are dated, but still are great.

Would they be great if they were released today with the same outdated effects ?

I don't see why not? People will like something as long it has a good story to it. Games like Undertale has graphics of a SNES game, but people love it. Animation, graphics and special effects are not everything.

[sintzu]

I don't see why not ? People will like something as long it has a good story to it.

Animation, graphics and special effects are not everything.

In the 70's Star wars was a big revolution in the movie industry and was loved by everyone but if ep7 was released with those same 70's effects, would it have gotten the critical acclaim that it has now ? and would it have made 2 billion $ ?

They're not everything but not to the point to where they're not important.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I can deal with differences in opinion, favored or disliked characters or storylines or languages, and anything and everything related to that. People are entitled to their opinion, regardless of what it is. The only time it gets irksome for me is if someone treats another as if they are inherently wrong on matters of said opinion. And that is sadly something that happens way too often nowadays.

On the other side, the Internet has somehow convinced people that all opinions are equally valid. Opinions can be just as wrong as any other judgment of something. Nowadays, you'll see people using "it's my opinion" as a defense, which is laughable.

True enough, though it depends entirely on the context, IMO. If someone has the opinion that, say, they can live without breathing, and ardently clings to that claim, then obviously their 'opinion' is wrong because it cannot be backed up and is obvious to any thinking person to be wrong even before that.

But as far as entertainment related matters go? I can't think of a single opinion off the top of my head that would have to be definitely, factually wrong. A misguided belief, yes, but something that is purely opinion like a preference in voice or music or performance or etc.? I dunno that any of those can be actually 'wrong', so to speak.

[Zephyr]

On the other side, the Internet has somehow convinced people that all opinions are equally valid. Opinions can be just as wrong as any other judgment of something. Nowadays, you'll see people using "it's my opinion" as a defense, which is laughable.

True enough, though it depends entirely on the context, IMO. If someone has the opinion that, say, they can live without breathing, and ardently clings to that claim, then obviously their 'opinion' is wrong because it cannot be backed up and is obvious to any thinking person to be wrong even before that.

But as far as entertainment related matters go? I can't think of a single opinion off the top of my head that would have to be definitely, factually wrong. A misguided belief, yes, but something that is purely opinion like a preference in voice or music or performance or etc.? I dunno that any of those can be actually 'wrong', so to speak.

That gets into the issue of the nature of what an opinion actually is.

If one conflates opinions with things like value judgments, then it becomes an incoherent notion to label any opinion as wrong or invalid ("in my opinion, Dragon Ball is the worst anime of all time", "X is the right thing to do", etc). If one conflates opinion with perceptions about observable facts, then it becomes a tad absurd, I think ("in my opinion, the sky is blue", "I have science class in ten minutes", etc).

If we go with the former, I think that any opinion can, in theory, be backed if one formulates a frame of reference in which it is true (for instance, moral philosophers creating frameworks and systems which make certain moral claims true or false, as they relate to the given frameworks). One could then go on to treat an opinion as valid, if and only if, they have actually bothered to do the backing, create the framework/standard, and such. However, I don't think that's a particularly necessary constraint to add, but it's a way to still qualify opinions and create a meaningful distinction between good ones and bad ones.

If we go with the latter though, in spite of how absurd I think it is to do, then my opinion that I own a male dog is certainly a bad and wrong opinion. But it just feels so intuitively awkward for me to use the term in that way. I'm hesitant to even call that an opinion.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

- People who call themselves "hardcore" in general, and people who think they are "hardcore" because they only watch DBZ and hate every other anime.
- People that will argue about there being no real canon, but the first to say GT isn't canon.
- People that go on and on about how much they hate Broly fanboys but have the same touchy obsession themselves, with Gohan.
- People that try to add symbolism from anything to apply it to DB themes. (People trying to explain SSGSS outside Toriyama's explanation)
- People that will damage control the poor writing and horrific character art of Super out of blind brand loyalty.

[saiyanvegetable]

Every fandom has their annoying quirks but honestly what really bothers me are the people who constantly defend Super by showing screenshots of Z. Super is by far one of the worst animated shows out today and Z was not always perfect but for the most part absolutely blows Super out of the water even when everybody was off model. (Z still had some shitty days though, but it wasn't consistently shitty.

Also:
-People using the "dbZEE" defense as to why anybody doesn't like super. No, the show just sucks. (Crossing fingers for u6...)

-People throwing around the word character development very, very loosely.

[kei17]

The existence of old FUNi dub fans who are still obsessed by the concocted idol of badass hardcore DeeBeeZee targeted at early teenagers who try to act grown-up, and throw dirt at the original version because of its uncoolness even though the dub's dialogue and story are far cheesier and its musical score keeps playing nonstop like Disney cartoons for little children.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Hey dont diss Disney like that.

[kei17]

Hey dont diss Disney like that.

Though I passionately hate Disney for certain reasons, I didn't mean to disrespect them here. I just wanted to point out that a lot of the dub fans prefer the dub scores because of their coolness, hardcore feeling and progressiveness even though they are arranged after very old-school methods that are often used in classic Western cartoons targeted at little chidren.

[MajinMan]

I don't like how we fight each other so much over the damn series. 90% of the time it leads to pointless banter, and people eventually just start cussing each other out. Whether it's the music, dub vs. sub, arc vs. arc, voice actors, or even the damn video games, it never ends. I love how diverse the fans are about their interests in the series and all, but it also creates these huge division lines between us that aren't present in most other fandoms. Even if we're both passionate fans, it makes us go, "nope, I don't want to talk to that person about Dragon Ball." It's a shame, really.

[Marjo]

Crying about the English dub not being a carbon copy of the Japan dub.

There, I said it.

[Khin]

Those people who are like ''DBZee is not for kids!!!'' * Posts some perv pic as ''proof'' *.

When people treat DBZKai as something far superior than DBZ, when they are actually the same thing (filler or not). The one that really ticks me is when people are listing their timeline and go: DB---DBZ Kai---DBSuper.

Many people prefer Kai over the original because of the pacing.Saiyan,Namek and Freeza arc in Z last for about 100 episodes while it's only around 50 in Kai.There's a big difference there.

[sintzu]

Crying about the English dub not being a carbon copy of the Japan dub.

There, I said it.

The word dub only applies to languages that aren't the original one so in DB's case the Japanese language isn't a dub, it's the original.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

I hate when sub fans hate on dub fans. Sure, some dub fans do hate on the original version and I honestly feel like there is a better way of expressing their opinion, but when I get told that I "chose the wrong version" I feel like my fucking head is going to explode because of the utter stupidity of that statement. I can't not like Nozawa and prefer Schemmel all I want and I shouldn't be criticized for thinking so. I don't know why but I can stand Mayumi Tanaka when switching from dubbed One Piece to subbed One Piece when there weren't any more dubbed episodes out yet, but I just can't watch Nozawa weekly in Super. I prefer Kai anyways

[Ajay]

I dislike how divided the community is. You can see it in this thread. Dub vs sub, Faulconer vs Kikuchi, Kai vs Z; the list is endless. Everyone's a victim.

I wish it was just a simple case of saying "We're all talking about the same show, guys!", but that's not possible. English Z and Japanese Z are two entirely different products.

Kai is honestly the closest thing we have to being able to talk about the same show regardless of language, yet there's still a divide there due to voice actor changes (even if they were for the better on the English side of things), filler, music, and all kinds of details.

You can't win. I want to go back in time and slap the shit out of the people who thought changing everything was a good idea. Look what you did!

[VegettoEX]

My biggest problem is the way people list these things they don't like, describing specific types of people, when I've literally never seen anything they're talking about.

It's either that (1) I just don't visit the same places as you all, (2) you're crazy people making up scenarios to paint yourselves as victims because you read someone's opinion that you disagreed with and you're incapable of just not internally processing that as a personal attack, or (3) I'm actually the crazy person.

I'm leaning toward #2 there, by the way, though I admit #3 is a distinct possibility.

Quite honestly, I think fans make it worse for themselves by making up these persecutions. Yes, you have the nutsos on certain social media sites that do nothing but spew hatred, but I think we can shove that category aside as totally irrelevant here.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Sadly, I think the divide would be there regardless. It wouldn't be as large as it is, but it'd still be there. Even for shows with generally received good or even great dubs, you still have a selection of fans who balk at the idea of a show being dubbed in the first place, even if it's doing no harm to them as the original version is just as readily available. It's unfortunately just the nature of anime fandom in general. ...Or really just fandom in general, if my time in the TMNT fandom has taught me anything. *sigh*

Crying about the English dub not being a carbon copy of the Japan dub.

There, I said it.

The word dub only applies to languages that aren't the original one so in DB's case the Japanese language isn't a dub, it's the original.

Well, if you want to get really, really, super technical, the Japanese version is still a dub due to the way at least some of the recording process is done. But practically nobody uses the word in that way, so for all intents and purposes, it's not a "dub", no.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

It's true, stuff like that has happened

[rereboy]

I can deal with differences in opinion, favored or disliked characters or storylines or languages, and anything and everything related to that. People are entitled to their opinion, regardless of what it is. The only time it gets irksome for me is if someone treats another as if they are inherently wrong on matters of said opinion. And that is sadly something that happens way too often nowadays.

On the other side, the Internet has somehow convinced people that all opinions are equally valid. Opinions can be just as wrong as any other judgment of something. Nowadays, you'll see people using "it's my opinion" as a defense, which is laughable.

Regarding subjective things, all opinions are equally valid because they only have to correspond to what that persons thinks to be valid.

Regarding objective things, opinions are not equally valid because they have to correspond to facts to be valid.

Therefore, saying "it's my opinion" just depends of what we are talking about.

So, for example, saying that "it's just my opinion that Earth is flat" would be wrong because it doesn't correspond to the facts, which can be demonstrated objectively. But, saying that "it's just my opinion that this aspect of that TV show is good/bad" or something similar is not wrong because it only has to correspond to what that person thinks, since it's a subjective realm.

On that note, appreciating Dragon Ball is inherently a subjective activity.

[Pantalones]

In the 70's Star wars was a big revolution in the movie industry and was loved by everyone but if ep7 was released with those same 70's effects, would it have gotten the critical acclaim that it has now ?

Actually... the original Star Wars trilogy holds up pretty well exactly for the reason that it doesn't heavily rely on computer-generated effects like a lot of more recent movies do, so technology moving forward hasn't affected it as much as it did a lot of other movies that came afterward.

Compare to movies that used a lot of early CG stuff rather than '70s-style effects -- they look really bad now that we've gotten so much better at that sort of thing (and in a lot of cases looked really bad at the time they were released, in my opinion, but some people apparently aren't as bothered by super-fake-looking CGI as me. Same with 3D polygon video game graphics -- while everyone else was "ooh-ing" and "aah-ing" at Super Mario 64 I was like "what's wrong with Mario's face? why're those Goombas so huge? why does Bowser look like a Chinese bootleg toy from a gumball machine?" The DS remake was a huge improvement.)

One of the great things about the new Star Wars was that they went back to using more of the older style of effects (using actual physical models of ships, actually putting the alien makeup/prosthetics on real people, etc.) rather than everything being so obviously CGI-ed up like the prequels were. The prequels were really, really bad about that (and I say this as someone who's never been on the prequel-hater bandwagon; admittedly they could be a lot better, but they're not as awful as some say) -- even as a kid watching Episode 1 for the first time it was easy to tell that something just seemed "off" about how a lot of things looked compared to the original trilogy's much more solid/real-looking stuff.