Cabba Theory - Universe 6 LSSJ?

[TheMikado]

Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten and Trunks are already Legendary Super Saiyans. LSSJ = SSJ1 in the canon world

What is this "canon" you speak of?

My man's Toriyama's vision, you know, the guy that created this whole thing.

If you are strictly saying anything within his vision is canon then that would include things he collaborated on as well? Because there is a LOT of stuff he didn't directly write or draw which we consider canon and in fact a lot he had much more hands on involvement which people consider "non-canon". That "vision" comment is arbitrary enough to allow parts of GT to be canon while parts of Z to not be canon.

[Kuririn Fan]

Lssj is regular ssj in his vision, and not that Broli bullshit.

[TheMikado]

Lssj is regular ssj in his vision, and not that Broli bullshit.

Despite him designing Broli? I haven't seen say he hates LSSJ anywhere. That sounds like head canon talk to me.

[Kuririn Fan]

Lssj is regular ssj in his vision, and not that Broli bullshit.

Despite him designing Broli? I haven't seen say he hates LSSJ anywhere. That sounds like head canon talk to me.

Where did i say that he hates him? He designed him, but he also designed a lot of other movie stuff. I was just saying that in the manga and anime, lssj is ssj1.

[TheMikado]

Lssj is regular ssj in his vision, and not that Broli bullshit.

Despite him designing Broli? I haven't seen say he hates LSSJ anywhere. That sounds like head canon talk to me.

Where did i say that he hates him? He designed him, but he also designed a lot of other movie stuff. I was just saying that in the manga and anime, lssj is ssj1.

Fair enough, but it also wouldn't be the first time something that was thought "non-canon" was pulled into the manga/canon.

[Kuririn Fan]

But this never, because LSSJ already exists.

[TheMikado]

Well it could certainly be that Cabba is the ONLY SSJ in his universe it would make him THE LSSJ in his universe, furthermore maybe he is a saiyan prince like Vegeta. Essentially being what Vegeta should have been in his own universe.

[Saturnine]

I think expecting that Toriyama will recanonize anything is futile.

There's been a clear trend of Toriyama building only upon the manga universe, with very few references to filler. This is quite opposite to games like DB Heroes, that glorify the non-canon (Toei-made) stuff. Hell, that happened in GT already. Referencing movie villains as if they were actually part of the timeline? Oh hell no.

[Travis Touchdown]

I can't help but dream of what the backlash would be if Cabba transformed into a green haired incredible hulk sized Legendary Super Saiyan just like Broly, and Goku and Vegeta even comment on him using the same form as Broly.

I know it most likely won't happen, but I'm hoping that it does.

[Kuririn Fan]

I can't help but dream of what the backlash would be if Cabba transformed into a green haired incredible hulk sized Legendary Super Saiyan just like Broly, and Goku and Vegeta even comment on him using the same form as Broly.

I know it most likely won't happen, but I'm hoping that it does.

It will 100% never happen. Broli is just yet another non-canon movie villain, noting to do with the main story. I just dont get it why is he so popular, except for his muscles? Even the first Broli movie is boring and nothing special.

[Thanos]

I can't help but dream of what the backlash would be if Cabba transformed into a green haired incredible hulk sized Legendary Super Saiyan just like Broly, and Goku and Vegeta even comment on him using the same form as Broly.

I know it most likely won't happen, but I'm hoping that it does.

It will 100% never happen. Broli is just yet another non-canon movie villain, noting to do with the main story. I just dont get it why is he so popular, except for his muscles? Even the first Broli movie is boring and nothing special.

This... basically. While I agree there isn't an "official canon" for Dragon Ball, to a larger point--can't we just agree that by 'canon' we mean, "Anything from the manga created exclusively by Toriyama"? I don't see the need to have to specify the semantics about there not technically being an official canon every single time the word is used. It's quite clear that certain lines of distinction exist. It's ambiguous because it's never outright stated.

Given that, it is no accident that nothing of consequence, other than Bardock (whose design/origin story, of course, was retroactively subverted), from the movies or any other non-Toriyama exclusive production, has ever made its way into anything canon. The only real exception I can think of is Gregory's appearance in Super, which... like I said, anything of consquence. Gregory is a cute character, but he has no effect on plot whatsoever.

And even so, Broli has been grossly oversaturated since Budokai 3. He's probably the most stale character in the franchise at this point.

[TheMikado]

Now that we know Cabba actually does go SSJ and he's never heard of it before, does that mean that he 1) is the only one in universe 6 who can and 2) make him the LSSJ of universe 6

[TheDevilsCorpse]

As far as we know, it simply make him Universe 6's "Goku", aka the first to transform in a long enough time that no one on Sadala knows what the hell it is.

Though, I really don't see much point in asking the question before the episode airs/ No one can give an an actual answer, only speculate... Which is relatively pointless when the subject in question will be covered next week.

[TheMikado]

^ it was more save everyone from the multitude of Canba SSJ!!! Threads that will pop up between now and then

[buutenks]

Pretty sure vegeta pushes cabe in unlocking ssj.So he had no clue ssj even existed in his universe.

[TheMikado]

Pretty sure vegeta pushes cabe in unlocking ssj.So he had no clue ssj even existed in his universe.

Yeah but was it even necessary? Plus I have a hard time believing that Cabba is the first when the Saiyans are incredibly powerful in his universe, constantly fighting even though they are good and not one of them have gone SSJ even. Like even Goten went SSJ by accident and he was far weaker and less angry than any of those Universe 6 saiyans would be. Vegeta better not just insult him and he suddenly goes SSJ though no one one in his universe has even done it better. I guess it takes an @sshole like Vegeta to get saiyans angry enough to go SSJ....

[DBS916]

Pretty sure vegeta pushes cabe in unlocking ssj.So he had no clue ssj even existed in his universe.

Yes, I believe it was either mentioned in the manga or the anime that Cabba doesn't know that Saiyans can transform. I wouldn't be surprised that Cabba being a Saiyan; which we should remember that they're more evolved compared to their Universe 7 counterparts, which could explain that their Super Saiyan forms are more powerful thanks to evolution.

[Captain Strawberry]

Every SSJ is a LSSJ lol

[Saturnine]

Anyway, we know that the LSSJ exists in the Saiyan race

Not in Toriyama's vision of the universe it doesn't.

Also, Toei should weep for what they've turned the DBZ fandom into by releasing Movie 8.