Do you think the series is good at world building?

[LightBing]

LightBing, I'm not sure what that has to do with world building. World building has more to do with things like culture in a story. Tolkien was unparalleled in his world building. He created numerous cultures, their histories, languages, dialects, etc. It's not merely limted to culture, but I think you get the point. Toriyama doesn't do that, but at least with the anthropomorphism, he's fairly consistent. It's very commonplace and I can't recall offhand where a character was like "You're a talking animal!"

It's history, which is related to World Building. Like knowing that Master Roshi won the TB, gives importance to it and stops it from being a random famous tournament, we know that's the one! Or how only Master Roshi got to the top of Karin Tower, brings mysticism and highlights it's importance. Master Roshi connects everything(until the Daimao Arc), it matters because of what we saw of him and it's status as legendary martial arts master.
Yeah, Mr.Toriyama didn't expand stuff but it still holds it's importance in the Dragon World.

Starting with the Saiyans, the culture and behaviors mold the conflicting perspectives and explains their relationship with Freeza and what-not.
DB is a pinky compared with anything Mr.Tolkien did. Like I said, it's superficiality only allows World building in passage and directly related with the plot. But it's still World building.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Then they were never prevalent. They never got lines or got to fight. They were only on crowd shots. Sure there were beasts like that Dragon with those rings in the Budokai Tenkaichi AND the dog father and son killed by Piccolo Daimaoh, but that's it. This idea that DB used to have animals in major roles is just not true. They were more populous, sure, but the King of the world was the most relevant character they had in their favor and if you say he doesnt count then there really arent none in any major capacity.

[Kuririn Fan]

Then they were never prevalent. They never got lines or got to fight. They were only on crowd shots. Sure there were beasts like that Dragon with those rings in the Budokai Tenkaichi AND the dog father and son killed by Piccolo Daimaoh, but that's it. This idea that DB used to have animals in major roles is just not true. They were more populous, sure, but the King of the world was the most relevant character they had in their favor and if you say he doesnt count then there really arent none in any major capacity.

I meant i want them to appear again, because they just disappeared once the show became more serious. I thought my post was clear enough.

[precita]

I always saw the mystical or magical aspects of the series tied to the Demon realm where Dabura is from. So if there's another dimension with demons opposite the Earth, that's where all the magic is from. And some humans from our world learned how to tap into that magic.

[FortuneSSJ]

Yeah, it's good.
All the series, GT included, always bring new things to the table and just prove that Dragon Ball world building potential is infinite.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Then they were never prevalent. They never got lines or got to fight. They were only on crowd shots. Sure there were beasts like that Dragon with those rings in the Budokai Tenkaichi AND the dog father and son killed by Piccolo Daimaoh, but that's it. This idea that DB used to have animals in major roles is just not true. They were more populous, sure, but the King of the world was the most relevant character they had in their favor and if you say he doesnt count then there really arent none in any major capacity.

I meant i want them to appear again, because they just disappeared once the show became more serious. I thought my post was clear enough.

I was talking to ABED.

[ABED]

Then they were never prevalent. They never got lines or got to fight. They were only on crowd shots. Sure there were beasts like that Dragon with those rings in the Budokai Tenkaichi AND the dog father and son killed by Piccolo Daimaoh, but that's it. This idea that DB used to have animals in major roles is just not true. They were more populous, sure, but the King of the world was the most relevant character they had in their favor and if you say he doesnt count then there really arent none in any major capacity.

They weren't main characters, but they were all over the place.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

LightBing, I'm not sure what that has to do with world building. World building has more to do with things like culture in a story. Tolkien was unparalleled in his world building. He created numerous cultures, their histories, languages, dialects, etc. It's not merely limted to culture, but I think you get the point. Toriyama doesn't do that, but at least with the anthropomorphism, he's fairly consistent. It's very commonplace and I can't recall offhand where a character was like "You're a talking animal!"

It's history, which is related to World Building. Like knowing that Master Roshi won the TB, gives importance to it and stops it from being a random famous tournament, we know that's the one! Or how only Master Roshi got to the top of Karin Tower, brings mysticism and highlights it's importance. Master Roshi connects everything(until the Daimao Arc), it matters because of what we saw of him and it's status as legendary martial arts master.
Yeah, Mr.Toriyama didn't expand stuff but it still holds it's importance in the Dragon World.

Starting with the Saiyans, the culture and behaviors mold the conflicting perspectives and explains their relationship with Freeza and what-not.
DB is a pinky compared with anything Mr.Tolkien did. Like I said, it's superficiality only allows World building in passage and directly related with the plot. But it's still World building.

Your comparing an shounen Manga to an fantasy series. That comparison doesn't even make sense.

Also Dragon Ball's recent world building has been great.

[ekrolo2]

LightBing, I'm not sure what that has to do with world building. World building has more to do with things like culture in a story. Tolkien was unparalleled in his world building. He created numerous cultures, their histories, languages, dialects, etc. It's not merely limted to culture, but I think you get the point. Toriyama doesn't do that, but at least with the anthropomorphism, he's fairly consistent. It's very commonplace and I can't recall offhand where a character was like "You're a talking animal!"

It's history, which is related to World Building. Like knowing that Master Roshi won the TB, gives importance to it and stops it from being a random famous tournament, we know that's the one! Or how only Master Roshi got to the top of Karin Tower, brings mysticism and highlights it's importance. Master Roshi connects everything(until the Daimao Arc), it matters because of what we saw of him and it's status as legendary martial arts master.
Yeah, Mr.Toriyama didn't expand stuff but it still holds it's importance in the Dragon World.

Starting with the Saiyans, the culture and behaviors mold the conflicting perspectives and explains their relationship with Freeza and what-not.
DB is a pinky compared with anything Mr.Tolkien did. Like I said, it's superficiality only allows World building in passage and directly related with the plot. But it's still World building.

Your comparing an shounen Manga to an fantasy series. That comparison doesn't even make sense.

Also Dragon Ball's recent world building has been great.

Pre-Z Dragon Ball has loads of fantasy elements before all the Earth ones are revealed to be alien. It wasn't always about muscle-bound, color changing guys who can fart planets out of existence.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

It still does and it adding more to it. You just bitch too much. Almost every post I have read of yours is you bitching about something. I sometimes wonder you're even on this site Ekrolo2.

[Lunatic Fringe]

It still does and it adding more to it. You just bitch too much. Almost every post I have read of yours is you bitching about something. I sometimes wonder you're even on this site Ekrolo2.

Why should posts of substance be dismissed just because they're not in a tone that you appreciate?

Back on topic, there's really not much I can add that hasn't already been talked about. Saga by saga, Earth just seems to be too much like ours and as of right now, with the expanding universe being the center stage for all the action, that's not so much of a bad thing but it's still a shame considering what we used to have.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

It still does and it adding more to it. You just bitch too much. Almost every post I have read of yours is you bitching about something. I sometimes wonder you're even on this site Ekrolo2.

Why should posts of substance be dismissed just because they're not in a tone that you appreciate?

Back on topic, there's really not much I can add that hasn't already been talked about. Saga by saga, Earth just seems to be too much like ours and as of right now, with the expanding universe being the center stage for all the action, that's not so much of a bad thing but it's still a shame considering what we used to have.

? I never insulted Ekrolo2, all I said that he complained a lot in my opinion. Nor did I dismissed what he said which was his opinion.

[ekrolo2]

It still does and it adding more to it. You just bitch too much. Almost every post I have read of yours is you bitching about something. I sometimes wonder you're even on this site Ekrolo2.

Why should posts of substance be dismissed just because they're not in a tone that you appreciate?

Back on topic, there's really not much I can add that hasn't already been talked about. Saga by saga, Earth just seems to be too much like ours and as of right now, with the expanding universe being the center stage for all the action, that's not so much of a bad thing but it's still a shame considering what we used to have.

? I never insulted Ekrolo2, all I said that he complained a lot in my opinion. Nor did I dismissed what he said which was his opinion.

I'm a negative nancy

[Cure Dragon 255]

Then they were never prevalent. They never got lines or got to fight. They were only on crowd shots. Sure there were beasts like that Dragon with those rings in the Budokai Tenkaichi AND the dog father and son killed by Piccolo Daimaoh, but that's it. This idea that DB used to have animals in major roles is just not true. They were more populous, sure, but the King of the world was the most relevant character they had in their favor and if you say he doesnt count then there really arent none in any major capacity.

They weren't main characters, but they were all over the place.

That's more like it! To be honest I do miss them too.

Beerus should have said "I killed all the animal people" LOL

[IDreamtIWasABee]

In an underachieving sort of way.

[swimtrunks]

Considering the creator constantly forgets even the most simplest of things pertaining to this series, I'm gonna say no. It's not good at world building at all.

[Saiga]

I do think it is generally pretty good at its world-building, and disagree that Earth's blandness is a result of bad world-building. Anything unique about Earth that was 'lost' by being revealed to have different origins was replaced by something much better fleshed out. The Saiyan race, their culture, history and connection to other plot elements are a hell of a lot more interesting than Earth potentially having mysterious monkey people. God's Namekian origins and backstory is more interesting than God just being the God but also a green guy, etc.

As a trade-off for having multiple planets and exploring the afterlife, some things have to be more basic to distinguish them. But I still think that the DB Earth is very interesting in the small tidbits we get, like the cities named after each cardinal direction, the existence of the Red Ribbon Army, or that their is a king of the entire Earth (and the implication that this was a result of previous Dragon Ball use).

And I think the entire afterlife system is really interesting and cool. You've got the classic Heaven and Hell, but also the Kaio, Kaioshin, various other deities, and even stuff like Makai thrown into the mix. There's so much there that's interesting and makes me want to learn more about it (though it's kind of a shame when Toriyama retcons details years later).

[TheUltimateVegito]

LightBing, I'm not sure what that has to do with world building. World building has more to do with things like culture in a story. Tolkien was unparalleled in his world building. He created numerous cultures, their histories, languages, dialects, etc. It's not merely limted to culture, but I think you get the point. Toriyama doesn't do that, but at least with the anthropomorphism, he's fairly consistent. It's very commonplace and I can't recall offhand where a character was like "You're a talking animal!"

It's history, which is related to World Building. Like knowing that Master Roshi won the TB, gives importance to it and stops it from being a random famous tournament, we know that's the one! Or how only Master Roshi got to the top of Karin Tower, brings mysticism and highlights it's importance. Master Roshi connects everything(until the Daimao Arc), it matters because of what we saw of him and it's status as legendary martial arts master.
Yeah, Mr.Toriyama didn't expand stuff but it still holds it's importance in the Dragon World.

Starting with the Saiyans, the culture and behaviors mold the conflicting perspectives and explains their relationship with Freeza and what-not.
DB is a pinky compared with anything Mr.Tolkien did. Like I said, it's superficiality only allows World building in passage and directly related with the plot. But it's still World building.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

I think the series does an OK job at world building, nothing mindblowing big (ala Tolkien) nor something poor (ala Bleach).

[Gorou]

Good built?
In foundations, yes, but did not ever complete the construction.

There have been introduced an infinite number of elements, but none of them has ever been deepened. Take for example the Gods: There are the Kai, the Supreme Kai and the gods of destruction; how much we know about them?

The utility of someone like King Kai, in the universe, exactly in what consists?? In theory, its role should be to monitor the universe, but every time do not see him do anything, except lounging. What is the task of the Kaioshin? They should be the gods of creation, but we never see them do anything. Ultimately, their purpose in history is only helping the heroes, teaching them new techniques or give him good upgrades. Even Kami, only served for the Dragon Balls.

Are all very useful characters to the plot, but their effective role in the world is barely mentioned. The only really important, is King Enma
I only hope that with the gods of destruction will make a big step forward, and that they not remains only uber guys that go around in the univers at destroy planets which do not have anything good to eat.