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Post by ABED » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:45 pm

Yes, how is this Boo any less of a potential threat than Cell is? With a wave of his head tail, he can kill everyone too. Is it because he helped them out once? By that logic, Vegeta should be a dead man in the Cell arc. He not only didn't help anyone but he actively hindered and escalated the problem of beating the Androids. Nor is he a good person by this point and admits several times openly to everyone that he wants to murder Goku once all of this is done. Why isn't this new, pragmatic Goku, snaping Vegeta's neck?
Because he's good. He literally spat out the bad parts of himself. Goku isn't overall pragmatic, but when the situation is in fact an immediate issue, he will be pragmatic. Buu at this point is just a potential threat.
A retcon that makes no in-universe sense and makes Goku look like an asshole any way you slice it. Before the retcon, he says "he's dead so its not his business to interfere with the living world!" Okay, so why is he at the tournament made FOR the living? Why is he involving himself in the initial Babidi stuff? That's not his problem, that's a problem for the living, so why didn't he just piss off back to King Kai then? So, it's Goku's right to interfere in a tournament for the living, escalate a problem for the living, but not his duty to fix said damage he's done to the living?

After the retcon, Goku's still a shit head because he could've just used Super Saiyan 3 to beat Vegeta or Fat Boo. He admitted to being to do the latter and thus the former by extension. Instead? He's like "Nah, let the kids handle it!" What?! The kids aren't the one's who made Boo come out, it was him and Vegeta. Also, this is a Goku who pretty much admitted his stupid Saiyan logic makes everything worse at the end of the Cell arc, so why is he listening to this stupid logic again after it got him freaking killed the last time?!
Of course it makes no in-universe sense BECAUSE it was a retcon. He wrote the fight against Vegeta believing Vegeta and Goku were on the same level, then when he needed Goku to be able to fight Buu, he created Super Saiyan 3, then he later said he SS3 Goku could've defeated Buu even though he had already said he couldn't. Since when has Goku created an issue that he didn't INTEND to face? He has done reckless things before, but never without intending to face it later on (e.g. letting Piccolo and Vegeta live), but now he lets Buu get created so others can take care of it? That's just inconsistency in the writing, not Goku being a dick. Goku couldn't have just used Super Saiyan 3 to defeat Buu because him being able to defeat Buu as SS3 was a retcon. You sound incredibly angry over a fictional character.

The tournament is just for fun, now you are looking for things to complain about.

Even though you acknowledge the retcon you continue to judge his actions as if there's not retcon! He wasn't having fun with Vegeta, he was trying his best to stop him, but that was later retconned, but continue dismissing that simple fact.
Goku is a plot device who walks and talks and does things to make the plot move forward. Any time he does something even halfway mature, it gets buried under more stupid Saiyan logic which he himself has admited is a problem for him, TWICE! and he does nothing about it.
That is NOT being a plot device. He's not acting out of character to facilitate story. He's acting in character when he does reckless things like allow Vegeta to live or allowing Dr. Gero to finish creating the cyborgs. He's a character that loves fighting above pretty much everything. If you ardently hate the main character this much, why do you watch the show?
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Re: Goku Character Analysis Part 2 - DBZ Era

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:54 pm

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Of course it makes no in-universe sense BECAUSE it was a retcon. He wrote the fight against Vegeta believing Vegeta and Goku were on the same level, then when he needed Goku to be able to fight Buu, he created Super Saiyan 3, then he later said he SS3 Goku could've defeated Buu even though he had already said he couldn't. Since when has Goku created an issue that he didn't INTEND to face? He has done reckless things before, but never without intending to face it later on (e.g. letting Piccolo and Vegeta live), but now he lets Buu get created so others can take care of it? That's just inconsistency in the writing, not Goku being a dick. Goku couldn't have just used Super Saiyan 3 to defeat Buu because him being able to defeat Buu as SS3 was a retcon. You sound incredibly angry over a fictional character.

The tournament is just for fun, now you are looking for things to complain about.
That's fine for an out of universe perspective, well, fine is a hard word, it's pretty bad writing if you ask me and said bad writing bleeds into the in-universe where Goku comes off as a lying coward.

He's a lying coward for trying to create some weird, fake, pseudo-intellectual stance on how he, as a dead man, has no right to involve himself in the matters of Earth after he just spent an entire day doing so and making things worse for everyone. Getting Vegeta and his own son killed (he thinks so at the time) in the process while abandoning his other son & Vegeta's kid to clean up after him.

And don't tell me Goku doesn't abandon them, he knows he can't come back once he leaves: he knows he can stop Boo but choses to permanently leave Earth knowing it's in grave danger because of him and he doesn't care he's being a lying coward about it. THIS is the one time Goku has no intention of facing a problem later that he sets up, he actually HAS an opportunity to do so and choses to lie to everyone and abandon them forever so a bunch of brats can save the universe.

You might be fine with an out of universe example cleaning up or explaining problems here, but I'm not. This is where Toriyama's lack of any planning makes Goku look more and more like a bastard. And Toriyama cements this fact into cold hard stone when he writes him later laughing off character development in Resurrection F.

[/quote]That is NOT being a plot device. He's not acting out of character to facilitate story. He's acting in character when he does reckless things like allow Vegeta to live or allowing Dr. Gero to finish creating the cyborgs. He's a character that loves fighting above pretty much everything. If you ardently hate the main character this much, why do you watch the show?[/quote]

He also admits at the end of the Android arc that he makes things worse, trying to end Goku's character on a note that he might've realized his own shortcomings and then the Boo arc totally shits on this entire idea. Then Resurrection F blatantly points out his deficencies later on and he learns nothing from the experience what so ever. Really, at this point I'm more interested in the threats these people face than them. Goku's gonna be a beloved shit head forever, Vegeta's a borderline parody of himself, the rest of the cast is a big load of nothing now, its really only whatever bad guy comes on screen now that shows any promise or potential enjoyment for me.
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Post by TheMikado » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:55 pm

Again the analysis is incredibly weird. Goku gets a free day and decides he wants to spend it with his family and friends. Are you faulting him for that??

Vegeta wants to fight Goku to the point where he commits mass murder. Should Goku have seen that coming??

You say Vegeta would have stopped Dabura and Babidi but knowing Vegeta who would have just let them wake up Buu so he could fight him too.

So should Goku just have killed Vegeta with SSJ3?? How do we know just the process of going SSJ3 wouldn't have been enough to wake Buu? Even if it didn't, now what??
Kill Vegeta?? Knock him unconscious? When he wakes up, still evil as hell but even more pissed and Gokus no where around, Gohans dead, now what??

I understand you don't like his actions but please give me another plausible scenario which wouldn't have ended with everyone dead anyway besides the obvious kill Buu himself immediately which we already did cover.

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Post by ABED » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:01 pm

That's fine for an out of universe perspective, well, fine is a hard word, it's pretty bad writing if you ask me and said bad writing bleeds into the in-universe where Goku comes off as a lying coward.
And? Are you expecting an argument against it being bad writing? Yes, it was bad writing.
he knows he can stop Boo
Yeah, except for that pesky little retcon issue.
You might be fine with an out of universe example cleaning up or explaining problems here, but I'm not.
Tough, because you can't possibly explain him acting out of character without talking about Toriyama's writing.
THIS is the one time Goku has no intention of facing a problem later that he sets up
BECAUSE it was a retcon that created an inconsistency in his character. You can't get around this fact, but yet you judge a fictional character so damn harshly. Why? I don't know.
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Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:01 pm

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THIS is the one time Goku has no intention of facing a problem later that he sets up
BECAUSE it was a retcon that created an inconsistency in his character. You can't get around this fact, but yet you judge a fictional character so damn harshly. Why? I don't know.
Did you miss the Cell thing? Cause I'm gonna repeat it again: Goku admits he makes things worse at the end of the Cell Games when he dies, that's why he stays dead. So, why is he still making things worse later on when we know he can just easily fix them? The only explanation is he's being a selfish prick again.

And this isn't even him not using SS3 against Vegeta. Why isn't he simply smashing his way through all of Babidi's goons? Why is he making another stupid farce out of this? If Goku really learned why he makes things worse, he'd be doing the pragmatic thing and tearing through Babidi's shit tier men to end all of this. Instead? Its just another fucking game to him, because the last time that happened we only had about a dozen Androids murder lots of people, kill him, nearly kill his son, his friends and the entire planet. No big deal.

TheMikado wrote:Again the analysis is incredibly weird. Goku gets a free day and decides he wants to spend it with his family and friends. Are you faulting him for that??

Vegeta wants to fight Goku to the point where he commits mass murder. Should Goku have seen that coming??

You say Vegeta would have stopped Dabura and Babidi but knowing Vegeta who would have just let them wake up Buu so he could fight him too.

So should Goku just have killed Vegeta with SSJ3?? How do we know just the process of going SSJ3 wouldn't have been enough to wake Buu? Even if it didn't, now what??
Kill Vegeta?? Knock him unconscious? When he wakes up, still even as hell but even more pissed and Gokus no where around, Gohans dead, now what??

I understand you don't like his actions but please give me another plausible scenario which wouldn't have ended with everyone dead anyway besides the obvious kill Buu himself immediately which we already did cover.
I'm faulting his retarded logic concerning his own place in the universe. He says "I'm dead, so this living stuff isn't my problem!" after he spends an entire day going to a tournament for the living and tackling & escalating a problem of the living before abandoning everyone to fuck off back to the afterlife.

Goku could've one shotted Vegeta with SSJ3 without killing him. We know it wouldn't do anything to resurrect Boo because Vegeta is the one giving Boo energy by beating up Goku, he can't beat up Goku if he's eating shit on the ground, unconscious. Who cares if he's pissed off? Goku is pissed off at him for murdering innocent people just because of his stupid little mid-life criss and if Goku just used SS3 from the start, Vegeta would give NO energy to Boo, Babidi would get killed by Gohan and Supreme Kai and this whole thing would be over.

Why doesn't he do this? Because fighting Vegeta is more fun if he can't bitch slap him into unconsciousness with SS3.
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Post by ABED » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:05 pm

The living world tournament isn't world ending. It's just a fun day with his family. I don't know why you keep bringing that up like it's at all meaningful or shows inconsistency on his part.
Goku could've one shotted Vegeta with SSJ3 without killing him.
So why doesn't he do it? He couldn't have because when Toriyama wrote it, Goku and Vegeta were on an even playing field. Toriyama was forced to come up with some pseudo intellectual BS to justify Goku not just beating Vegeta outright much like comic book writers have to give comic book characters a BS code of ethics against killing in order to justify keeping good villains around.
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Post by TheMikado » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:05 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
TheMikado wrote:Again the analysis is incredibly weird. Goku gets a free day and decides he wants to spend it with his family and friends. Are you faulting him for that??

Vegeta wants to fight Goku to the point where he commits mass murder. Should Goku have seen that coming??

You say Vegeta would have stopped Dabura and Babidi but knowing Vegeta who would have just let them wake up Buu so he could fight him too.

So should Goku just have killed Vegeta with SSJ3?? How do we know just the process of going SSJ3 wouldn't have been enough to wake Buu? Even if it didn't, now what??
Kill Vegeta?? Knock him unconscious? When he wakes up, still even as hell but even more pissed and Gokus no where around, Gohans dead, now what??

I understand you don't like his actions but please give me another plausible scenario which wouldn't have ended with everyone dead anyway besides the obvious kill Buu himself immediately which we already did cover.
I'm faulting his retarded logic concerning his own place in the universe. He says "I'm dead, so this living stuff isn't my problem!" after he spends an entire day going to a tournament for the living and tackling & escalating a problem of the living before abandoning everyone to fuck off back to the afterlife.

Goku could've one shotted Vegeta with SSJ3 without killing him. We know it wouldn't do anything to resurrect Boo because Vegeta is the one giving Boo energy by beating up Goku, he can't beat up Goku if he's eating shit on the ground, unconscious. Who cares if he's pissed off? Goku is pissed off at him for murdering innocent people just because of his stupid little mid-life criss and if Goku just used SS3 from the start, Vegeta would give NO energy to Boo, Babidi would get killed by Gohan and Supreme Kai and this whole thing would be over.

Why doesn't he do this? Because fighting Vegeta is more fun if he can't bitch slap him into unconsciousness with SS3.
Wait so Goku just one shots Vegeta and leaves earth and lets the most powerful person on earth who just happened to recently mass murder a ton of innocent people wake up even MORE pissed??? But now there's no one to oppose him? I don't think Goku could take a more irresponsible action than that.!

I know we're backseat writing here but that just sounds like a really really really bad fan idea.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:10 pm

TheMikado wrote:Wait so Goku just one shots Vegeta and leaves earth and lets the most powerful person on earth who just happened to recently mass murder a ton of innocent people wake up even MORE pissed??? But now there's no one to oppose him? I don't think Goku could take a more irresponsible action than that.!

I know we're backseat writing here but that just sounds like a really really really bad fan idea.
And what of it? If Vegeta keeps acting like a little bitch over it, Gohan still has an extra day in the ROSAT he can use to power himself back up and beat him. If he somehow manages to kill even more people? Big whoop, Goku can call up New Namek, have them revive everyone after Gohan's gotten some training in from the afterlife to break Vegeta's shit once he comes back.

Hell, that's even if Vegeta is angry. Given the fact Goku proved once again how worthless he is in comparison to him, Vegeta is just as likely to get demoralized completely as he is to get pissed off.
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Post by ABED » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:16 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
TheMikado wrote:Wait so Goku just one shots Vegeta and leaves earth and lets the most powerful person on earth who just happened to recently mass murder a ton of innocent people wake up even MORE pissed??? But now there's no one to oppose him? I don't think Goku could take a more irresponsible action than that.!

I know we're backseat writing here but that just sounds like a really really really bad fan idea.
And what of it? If Vegeta keeps acting like a little bitch over it, Gohan still has an extra day in the ROSAT he can use to power himself back up and beat him. If he somehow manages to kill even more people? Big whoop, Goku can call up New Namek, have them revive everyone after Gohan's gotten some training in from the afterlife to break Vegeta's shit once he comes back.

Hell, that's even if Vegeta is angry. Given the fact Goku proved once again how worthless he is in comparison to him, Vegeta is just as likely to get demoralized completely as he is to get pissed off.
Vegeta is dangerous when he gets upset. In the time Gohan is in the room getting stronger, Vegeta will certainly cause destruction.
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Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:18 pm

ABED wrote:Vegeta is dangerous when he gets upset. In the time Gohan is in the room getting stronger, Vegeta will certainly cause destruction.
All of which can be fixed with the Earth's or the Namekian Dragon Balls. There is no scenario that ends well for Vegeta here, he either becomes horribly demoralized by Goku's display of power and superiority over him or he flies off the handle at which point Gohan will step in to beat him down or put him into the ground. Honestly, Vegeta has no right to be angry about anything: he murdered innocent people just to goad Goku into a fight, whatever happens to him is entirely on his head.
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Post by TheMikado » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:24 pm

I think this just goes to shows that in universe Goku and by extension the actual author understand Vegetas character way more than we do as the audience. Vegeta was at a crossroads, where he could have gone either way. It can be argued that Goku, by taking the actions he took, understood that it's far better to have Vegeta on their side, then against them. It's a gamble that I think Goku made in his wisdom and understanding the true nature of Vegeta and his pride.

Taking the easy route and knocking Vegeta out rather than talking him down and deescalting the situation before t becomes a much larger and permanent problem shows wisdom and the selecting the other option would be like playing checkers when you should be playing chess.

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Post by ABED » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:26 pm

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ABED wrote:Vegeta is dangerous when he gets upset. In the time Gohan is in the room getting stronger, Vegeta will certainly cause destruction.
All of which can be fixed with the Earth's or the Namekian Dragon Balls. There is no scenario that ends well for Vegeta here, he either becomes horribly demoralized by Goku's display of power and superiority over him or he flies off the handle at which point Gohan will step in to beat him down or put him into the ground. Honestly, Vegeta has no right to be angry about anything: he murdered innocent people just to goad Goku into a fight, whatever happens to him is entirely on his head.
Assuming that Gohan can in fact get stronger than Vegeta or that Vegeta won't just stop him. Of course Vegeta has no moral justification, but when has that stopped any evil person from being who they are?

I don't think Goku is acting as a plot device, it's simply that Toriyama wrote that arc without thinking it all through.

Here's my analysis of Goku: At his core, he is a guy who enjoys his life and loves fighting for sport and to test his limits. He doesn't like hurting people, but will if he feels it's necessary. He also likes to fight on his own, but will get help if he feels he has no other option, like he did before he fought Beerus and when he fused with Vegeta. Even when he does questionable things like let bad guys go, he doesn't do it out of malice.

Mikado, I don't really think Goku was thinking that. Goku is a warrior and respects strong warriors. In spite of Vegeta's actions Goku respects him and doesn't want him to die. It's as simple as that.
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Goku specifically tells Vegeta this isn't the time to fight and clearly doesn't want to. Vegeta then tells Goku that he better fight him unless "he wants more bodies to pile up on his conscious?" Then kills more people right in front of Goku. I don't see how Goku had any choice but to fight him. Goku knows he has to find a way to de escalate the situation to keep more people from getting hurt. That's literally the ONLY reason shown why he fights him. That doesn't mean Goku doesn't also enjoy fighting but it's not at all for the enjoyment. Vegeta literally threatened to kill more people the same way Raditz did. Further the idea that after Goku knocked him out that Vegeta would be demoralized is odd. Vegeta wanted to fight to prove he achieved a level above Goku, Goku knocks him out using a level above his and Vegeta is just gets sad afterwards??? He literally killed people just to fight Goku, who knows what he would do to get to SSJ3 levels.

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TheMikado wrote:Goku specifically tells Vegeta this isn't the time to fight and clearly doesn't want to. Vegeta then tells Goku that he better fight him unless "he wants more bodies to pile up on his conscious?" Then kills more people right in front of Goku. I don't see how Goku had any choice but to fight him. Goku knows he has to find a way to de escalate the situation to keep more people from getting hurt. That's literally the ONLY reason shown why he fights him. That doesn't mean Goku doesn't also enjoy fighting but it's not at all for the enjoyment. Vegeta literally threatened to kill more people the same way Raditz did. Further the idea that after Goku knocked him out that Vegeta would be demoralized is odd. Vegeta wanted to fight to prove he achieved a level above Goku, Goku knocks him out using a level above his and Vegeta is just gets sad afterwards??? He literally killed people just to fight Goku, who knows what he would do to get to SSJ3 levels.
I know all that, and I didn't say it was all for enjoyment, but he didn't save Vegeta because of the reason you claim. It's not some grand strategy, he just doesn't want to have to kill him if he doesn't have to, much in the same way he didn't want to kill Piccolo, the Ginyu Force, Vegeta in their first fight, or even Freeza.
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Post by ChronoTwigger » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:00 pm

ABED wrote:
Here's my analysis of Goku: At his core, he is a guy who enjoys his life and loves fighting for sport and to test his limits. He doesn't like hurting people, but will if he feels it's necessary. He also likes to fight on his own, but will get help if he feels he has no other option, like he did before he fought Beerus and when he fused with Vegeta. Even when he does questionable things like let bad guys go, he doesn't do it out of malice.

Mikado, I don't really think Goku was thinking that. Goku is a warrior and respects strong warriors. In spite of Vegeta's actions Goku respects him and doesn't want him to die. It's as simple as that.
I like your analysis more.
Doing a "feat by feat" analysis risk to create a false positive. There's always something untold, that you need to read inbetween, and it's motivation.
Once you grasp the core motivation of a character, you can logically explain all of his actions.

I also add that Goku always keep his genuine innocence. This trait never expire. Pure of heart, out of evil and good. That explain even some of his "unlogical" approaches.
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ABED wrote:
TheMikado wrote:Goku specifically tells Vegeta this isn't the time to fight and clearly doesn't want to. Vegeta then tells Goku that he better fight him unless "he wants more bodies to pile up on his conscious?" Then kills more people right in front of Goku. I don't see how Goku had any choice but to fight him. Goku knows he has to find a way to de escalate the situation to keep more people from getting hurt. That's literally the ONLY reason shown why he fights him. That doesn't mean Goku doesn't also enjoy fighting but it's not at all for the enjoyment. Vegeta literally threatened to kill more people the same way Raditz did. Further the idea that after Goku knocked him out that Vegeta would be demoralized is odd. Vegeta wanted to fight to prove he achieved a level above Goku, Goku knocks him out using a level above his and Vegeta is just gets sad afterwards??? He literally killed people just to fight Goku, who knows what he would do to get to SSJ3 levels.
I know all that, and I didn't say it was all for enjoyment, but he didn't save Vegeta because of the reason you claim. It's not some grand strategy, he just doesn't want to have to kill him if he doesn't have to, much in the same way he didn't want to kill Piccolo, the Ginyu Force, Vegeta in their first fight, or even Freeza.
I would certainly call this dramatically different then those. It really appears Goku is weighing his options and decides this is the only available option, he also doesn't seem to regard Vegeta as an enemy or even necessarily fully in control but misguided. Whatever Gokus strategy is he knows he can't let Vegeta go unchecked and that the only means for de escalating the situation is to humor Vegetas request. He also acknowledges what he's doing, apologizing for it, but sticks to his guns on his decision. That first 20 mins of drama and character interaction was incredible. A bonus is that Goku knows the overall plan which is to stop Buu and hopes Gohan can achieve this while he handles Vegeta.

Bonus points, Goku even as a dead person is carrying Sensu beans on him and knows enough to give Gohan one before he enters the ship.

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Post by ABED » Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:44 am

But Goku doesn't carefully weigh his options, he's not that kind of person. He acts on his gut and he's spared a number of his enemies and tried to spare more.
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Post by SaiyanZ » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:01 pm

I think this long post could've been more succinct. In terms of explaining how Goku's realization that he was a Saiyan changed him, I think its more accurate to say that it made him more selfish and Saiyan/warrior-like than how he was in the pre-Saiyan arc days. An important thing you also forgot to mention imo, is Goku's various takes on killing people, from him doing it flippantly against the RRA, to reining it against Piccolo and till Freeza (thanks presumably to Kami), and then him doing it with more decisiveness like against Cell (when he helps Gohan), Yakon, Buu and Freeza in FnF.
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Re: Goku Character Analysis Part 2 - DBZ Era

Post by ABED » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:17 pm

I get when you say he did it flippantly in the RRA arc, but he let Piccolo and Vegeta live because he wanted to fight them later. Freeza's one of the few, and the only major one I can think of, whom he tried to let live out of mercy. I don't think Kami had anything to do with it. We know very little of his training with Kami, and what we do know is that Kami wasn't that involved with it, so it's doubtful he convinced Goku to try to refrain from killing. Also, that would be something to see rather than have the audience infer it.
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Re: Goku Character Analysis Part 2 - DBZ Era

Post by TheMikado » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:22 pm

ABED wrote:But Goku doesn't carefully weigh his options, he's not that kind of person. He acts on his gut and he's spared a number of his enemies and tried to spare more.
I guess this is going to depend on the dub and Toei but when fighting Buu, Goku specifically says to Vegeta that he was holding back when using SSJ3 so that Vegeta would have a chance.

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