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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:28 am

Draconic wrote:I personally only view the manga as "canon" and everything else, no matter who wrote it, how good it is or how well it fits into continuity as side stories. The only thing I consider canon to it are rewrites by Toriyama, so if he decides, for example, to rewrite the ending with Uub, I will accept that as the new status of the manga. Even comments by the author himself I don't take at face value, like Buu being there from the dawn of the universe. However, I can't really say I like GT, but compared to most of the fandom I think I am much more positive to it. I really like the designs, for one. The stories had a lot of potential to be amazing and most of the time they fell flat, but it's better to have SOMETHING with this concepts rather than nothing at all. Super or whatever comes next, however, I don't think should try to limit itself because of GT. The show is there and you can enjoy it no matter what somebody else choses to do with the franchise.

That said, I hope GT won't get ignored in the future in stuff like video games and such. I mean, I love what if match ups like SSJ4 Goku vs SSG Goku or Omega Shenron vs Golden Freeza. I mean, if nothing else, the characters are unique and since they will never turn up ever again in an official anime/manga, they should have their place in auxiliary media. That's why I like Heroes so much, even though I've never played it, because it doesn't give a shit and has something for any Dragon Ball fan, be he a Super lover, GT hater or whatever else.

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Yeah I prefer them not limit themselves to fitting with GT, but if they don't go past EOZ they should fit with GT. More character s and forms means more fun for fans in the games, Xenoverse did a good job of keeping the GT continuity and the gods continuity characters in, sure the roster was small but they didn't ignore GT, which is a good sign. I don't want Super or GT to be ignored. Those forms are fun to play with, even if Super gets a bandwagon of hate like GT does, there's still people who like it and both need to stay a part of dragonball's history....now if only we can have the games give us OG dragonball characters...IDK abou ya'll but Popo/Roshi, Tai, king piccolo..I wanna play as them for Xenoverse 2 or whatever's next (if we get anything this year...)
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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by pacz360 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:33 am

no gt should be treated as a alternate timeline like it was in xenoverse not canon to the main timeline but it's own universe/timeline satisfied both sides.

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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:34 am

It's not our responsibility as fans to decide definitively what is and isn't canon in Dragon Ball, it's Toriyama's and TOEI's. As stated previously neither party seems concerned with addressing this with a statement, and there's nothing we can do about it.

Strictly speaking "canon" is any material considered official property in any fictional universe. GT and Super both fit that definition, but the problem is that they are incompatible with one another.

Yes you could say the events of GT don't seem relevant in the context of where the story is currently going, but that doesn't change the fact GT was created, it's still an official property licensed by TOEI, you couldn't put it on the same level as fan fiction. It's a story that takes place in the Dragon Ball universe, perhaps an alternate story or a what-if for the manga Toriyama ended in 1995, it really doesn't matter, if people like it and buy the DVDs that's all that matters to TOEI.
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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by Draconic » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:36 am

100% agree on the og Dragon Ball characters. Screw power levels, I need Tao Pai Pai vs Hit and Kami vs Beerus asap!
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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by HybridSaiyan » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:40 am

Draconic wrote:100% agree on the og Dragon Ball characters. Screw power levels, I need Tao Pai Pai vs Hit and Kami vs Beerus asap!
Popo vs Beerus is a fair fight!

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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:41 am

HybridSaiyan wrote:
Draconic wrote:100% agree on the og Dragon Ball characters. Screw power levels, I need Tao Pai Pai vs Hit and Kami vs Beerus asap!
Popo vs Beerus is a fair fight!

No it's not. Popo is OP! :P
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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by HybridSaiyan » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:44 am

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:
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Draconic wrote:100% agree on the og Dragon Ball characters. Screw power levels, I need Tao Pai Pai vs Hit and Kami vs Beerus asap!
Popo vs Beerus is a fair fight!

No it's not. Popo is OP! :P
lol, power levels are messed up. I mean, Goten or Trunks probably could've beaten Cabba which means Popo could!

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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:56 am

[quote="No it's not. Popo is OP! :P[/quote]

lol, power levels are messed up. I mean, Goten or Trunks probably could've beaten Cabba which means Popo could![/quote]


Nah I put Cabba as pretty strong, he matched base form Vegeta in his base. But Popo is popo so he wins by default. They should just give him Gero's energy siphoning move but instead of his hand it's his mouth. Like he did vs kid Goku. It's doable but I think the game makers who do the console games never seam to give much love, if any to ball.

With Super I give it the least amount of thought with power levels since things like piccolo vs frost is a head tilting mad mess, even though it was nice to see piccolo be able to block hits and look powerful again.

It think both are canon, just not to each other. Different timelines and canons, maybe they'll connect but I won't hold my breathe.
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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by pacz360 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:01 pm

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:[quote="No it's not. Popo is OP! :P
lol, power levels are messed up. I mean, Goten or Trunks probably could've beaten Cabba which means Popo could![/quote]


Nah I put Cabba as pretty strong, he matched base form Vegeta in his base. But Popo is popo so he wins by default. They should just give him Gero's energy siphoning move but instead of his hand it's his mouth. Like he did vs kid Goku. It's doable but I think the game makers who do the console games never seam to give much love, if any to ball.

With Super I give it the least amount of thought with power levels since things like piccolo vs frost is a head tilting mad mess, even though it was nice to see piccolo be able to block hits and look powerful again.

It think both are canon, just not to each other. Different timelines and canons, maybe they'll connect but I won't hold my breathe.[/quote]
as you said different timeline just have gt be a alternate timeline like in xenoverse and there ya go satisfying both sides.

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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:44 pm

pacz360 wrote:
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:[quote="No it's not. Popo is OP! :P
lol, power levels are messed up. I mean, Goten or Trunks probably could've beaten Cabba which means Popo could!

Nah I put Cabba as pretty strong, he matched base form Vegeta in his base. But Popo is popo so he wins by default. They should just give him Gero's energy siphoning move but instead of his hand it's his mouth. Like he did vs kid Goku. It's doable but I think the game makers who do the console games never seam to give much love, if any to ball.

With Super I give it the least amount of thought with power levels since things like piccolo vs frost is a head tilting mad mess, even though it was nice to see piccolo be able to block hits and look powerful again.

It think both are canon, just not to each other. Different timelines and canons, maybe they'll connect but I won't hold my breathe.[/quote]
as you said different timeline just have gt be a alternate timeline like in xenoverse and there ya go satisfying both sides.[/quote]
I still prefer for it to connect or be a separate universe as in one of the 12 (have ssj4 and god fight....that'd be fun)
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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by ShaneisMC » Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:11 pm

Personally I look at the series as having 3 separate continuities with the manga and Kai taking priority over the original. But yeah I'd say Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, the original 42 novel series, and now the Super manga are all the main manga continuity. Then theres Kai which while we unfortunately we dont have an official Dragon Ball Kai I fortunately do have that amazing fan cut who shaved it down to 82 episodes and did it really well. So with that id go with Dragon Ball Kai, DBZ Kai, and then Dragon Ball Super. Then the final continuity would simply be the original anime as is. Dragon Ball, Z, GT. Everythings pretty simple that way, and it all makes pretty good sense I think.

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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:37 pm

ShaneisMC wrote:Personally I look at the series as having 3 separate continuities with the manga and Kai taking priority over the original. But yeah I'd say Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, the original 42 novel series, and now the Super manga are all the main manga continuity. Then theres Kai which while we unfortunately we dont have an official Dragon Ball Kai I fortunately do have that amazing fan cut who shaved it down to 82 episodes and did it really well. So with that id go with Dragon Ball Kai, DBZ Kai, and then Dragon Ball Super. Then the final continuity would simply be the original anime as is. Dragon Ball, Z, GT. Everythings pretty simple that way, and it all makes pretty good sense I think.

I see the final one (ball/DBZ/DBGT) as the main canon in my mind, as it's the most popular and well known continuity of dragonball. it's also my favorite even though the others are amazing, this one is the best, GT's ending was a perfect way to say goodbye to goku, this new stuff, while flawed does bring goku back in my life and it's great.
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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by successoroffate » Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:38 pm

I am confused. I am saying this as a GT Fan: I think this is your second or third thread about GT's canon status...Just let it go. If you enjoy the show as I do, you shouldn't need validation. I for once, I like to think it is canon, I see it as what Fear The Walking Dead is to The Walking Dead.
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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:09 pm

successoroffate wrote:I am confused. I am saying this as a GT Fan: I think this is your second or third thread about GT's canon status...Just let it go. If you enjoy the show as I do, you shouldn't need validation. I for once, I like to think it is canon, I see it as what Fear The Walking Dead is to The Walking Dead.
I'll say this again, it's not validation, don't assume what my intentions are. I want to talk to like minded people on a topic I find interesting. That's all.

And the other threads were on things like the legendary super saiyan mentioned in the gt perfect files and such, I'll talk about GT all I like. It's a show I love, 3rd best show ever. Also people need to let the GT hate and assumption it's hated go. Yeah some trolls bash it on GT videos, but the majority of the hundreds of thousands on the video are there and enjoying it, the few hundred trolls bashing it over and over weather they hate it or are just messing around don't really matter if you base the opinion of GT on a minority, then DBZ is hated based on the Naruto fans who come to videos and say Goku is shit blah blah, when really most anime and even Naruto fans love goku and dragonball.

At least some people got my point, some people even agree with my head canon.
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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by Kuririn Fan » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:17 pm

Mike said: Every time I read a conversation like this - specifically about GT - it comes across as, "I like this series, but I'm embarrassed about it, so please validate my enjoyment of this series, because I'm incapable of independent thought."
You still didn't convince me that he wasn't right.
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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by Mewzard » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:57 pm

Well, I can only speak as an individual, but I wouldn't want GT as part of the canon. Frankly, I found the series dull and with little of the heart of what came before.

Say what you will about Toriyama, but the man knows how to make things feel like Dragon Ball in a short amount of time.

GT looks fine visually, sounds fairly good music wise and has fantastic voice work (as is standard for the veteran Dragon Ball cast)...but if I can't care about the story, the characters, the dialogue...then the rest is wasted effort.

If only Super's story had GT's animation/music...then I'd be a happy camper.

But as things stand, I wouldn't shed any tears if GT drifted off forgotten into the ether, as I've never been able to really enjoy it.
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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:05 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:Mike said: Every time I read a conversation like this - specifically about GT - it comes across as, "I like this series, but I'm embarrassed about it, so please validate my enjoyment of this series, because I'm incapable of independent thought."
You still didn't convince me that he wasn't right.
And i'm not a troll, people who don't like GT are not trolls.

And why do I need to convince you? You can not like Gt, but going to forums of dragonball and mocking it, going to GT videos just to bash it and going out of your way to message me aggressively about your hatred of GT...yeah obvious trolling. Owning you is fun but I think I should stop feeding you. Bye, it's been...fun. :lol:
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Post by sintzu » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:05 pm

Weather we want it to be or not, it can't due to Super creating too many things that go against it.

I look at Gt like Z's 13 movies, they go against the author's story but they're still enjoyable stories that add to the lore and provide a lot of enjoyable content for the video games.
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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:11 pm

I see GT pretty much the same way Toriyama saw GT: a fun, harmless spin off. That's all it really was to me.
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Re: Anyone consider or want GT as canon?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:11 pm

Mewzard wrote:Well, I can only speak as an individual, but I wouldn't want GT as part of the canon. Frankly, I found the series dull and with little of the heart of what came before.

Say what you will about Toriyama, but the man knows how to make things feel like Dragon Ball in a short amount of time.

GT looks fine visually, sounds fairly good music wise and has fantastic voice work (as is standard for the veteran Dragon Ball cast)...but if I can't care about the story, the characters, the dialogue...then the rest is wasted effort.

If only Super's story had GT's animation/music...then I'd be a happy camper.

But as things stand, I wouldn't shed any tears if GT drifted off forgotten into the ether, as I've never been able to really enjoy it.

GT isn't as good as ball or Z, it's downgraded in animation, music and action, but story wise it's better for me, and still really good even if it's only like 80% the quality of ball and Z for it's smaller size.

Don't forget ball was better then Z in a lot of ways, but if you don't like GT that's fine. I can respect how you expressed it. You gave reasoning in a mature way instead of just bashing it and or the people who like it. I wish Super had GT's animation, but didn't have the shine effect GT abused, not as bad as super but it was still WAY over used. Kind of wish we had Kenji still.. I feel super's music, while good isn't as good as the rest. Not as Good as Gt's,which is below ball and Z's which is below what Yammamotto made IMO.

How would you feel if Super did there own version of SSj4? Or like had some sort of crossover where GT was another universe and Goku had to fight himself?
Maybe Toriyama can give GT the potential it had, because as much as I LOVE LOVE LOVE DBGT I feel some ideas could have been executed better, super 17 arc had more potential but went down in a way that you knew they could have done better.
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