Which is currently the best DBZ Movie Fullscreen release?

[Danfun64]

I didn't even notice that it was Kei who asked the question in the first place.

Not answering Kei is understandable. If I had something rare, he would be the last person who I would hand the raw materials to, considering how he feels satisfying copyright law is more important than giving the public access to stuff that hasn't been seen or heard in ages. I guess I am on the opposite side of whatever spectrum Kei is at concerning this kind of thing.

...that being said, he wasn't necessarily going to demand that you give him the material, and I still don't think there is any harm in saying where it came from.

[Vorige Waffe]

Don't want to add wood to the fire but I think the problem here was that it was Kei who asked about its source, because if it had been someone else he'd perhaps have answered. Also, his sig saying "DO NOT ASK ME FOR RARE STUFF, ESPECIALLY THE ORIGINAL BROADCAST AUDIO. I will ignore any PMs from anyone about it." comes off as rather a bit hostile 'cause well, he could have said it in a different manner (e.g., "Please don't ask me for rare stuff as I'm tired of receiving PMs about it. Reason being I'm not sharing is because I want to have Toei Animation / Funimation release it officially"). I understand why he denies to publicly share what he has, i.e, he's hopeful Toei/Funi will eventually use it for an official home release but honestly, it's been so many years and nothing has happened.

Point being, I personally don't like this type of attitude because it just leaves other fans very disappointed and with envy. Whatever little I have of Dragon Ball rare-ness I always try to share with others. Give back to the community, that type of thing.

If you're not aware, fans have ripped Kei off by sharing material when they were explicitly told not to. Combined with constant pestering from people to give them things like the broadcast audio, you can't blame him for being extremely protective of the stuff he has.

[Bansho64]

i won't tell it

Can you explain why? You don't have to but I'm really curious as to where that image really did come from. A vcd perhaps?

[Danfun64]

If you're not aware, fans have ripped Kei off by sharing material when they were explicitly told not to. Combined with constant pestering from people to give them things like the broadcast audio, you can't blame him for being extremely protective of the stuff he has.

It's kind of hard for these kind of things to kept private for long...

Kei's "limited sharing" position was bad enough to begin with. As the damage is done, it's good that the leaked material is out in the open now. However, I would rather that the stuff leaked from Kei's treasure box wasn't leaked at all if it meant that he would have been lenient to the point of listing his stuff on something like originaltrilogy.com's "Non Star Wars Preservations" forum, with the implication that the stuff is out there on certain unauthorized channels.

To be honest, I'm probably not going to change, and Kei is probably not going to change. And our politics have very little to do with the topic at hand, which is "Which is currently the best DBZ Movie Fullscreen release, and where did that 4:3 image (from one of the movies. Forgot which one though.) showing most of the frame come from?"

[superrayman3]

Kei's "limited sharing" position was bad enough to begin with.

How's him having a "limited sharing" position simply because he wants to see this stuff released officially bad? (kei has even said on multiple occasions that he wants to see this stuff be made available to the public, but he wants it to be done legally and the only way to do that is for it to be released officially something that I can understand and respect) And IDK if you're aware of this but Japanese copyright law is much more strict (and heavily enforced) than it is in other countries, so if there was anything kei decided to share publically it could get him in trouble legally so his "limited sharing" position is actually smart on his part.

[Danfun64]

IDK if you're aware of this but Japanese copyright law is much more strict (and heavily enforced) than it is in other countries, so if there was anything kei decided to share publically it could get him in trouble legally so his "limited sharing" position is actually smart on his part.

I didn't know that...

maybe an admin should split this thread between the original topic and the copyright/share/noshare debate? I don't want to be responsible for this thread's death.

[clutchins]

The screenshot might be from some international DVD. I doubt it's from a VCD because of the PQ presented.

[genjosanzo8]

Kei obtain his broadcast audio by illegal way so it is not a legal problem....i dont like the "community share" so sharing with few people and dont want other having these is a bad things...we are all dragon ball fan. Sharing with few people is as illegal than everybody so nnot talk about law it is false....a collector who have rarity like him i think just dont want other have it...it is what i begin
I have a things he dont have so for one time he will be in the side of those who dont have a thing...to remember him that if anyone share all what he have it will be easyer to have more thingd.
When i was only asking things to him he never answer me even i was not asking files. And it have no proove that he works for a public release he just said that he want to. But his "no ask for rare stuffetc" and no news tell contrary things. And kei effectively says where he have things but no one can have them even if we search so it dont change nothiuyng

[MadSpecialist]

With all due respect to both genjosanzo8 & kei17, judging from this video it's possibly a Spanish release, perhaps by Manga Films.

Spoiler:

[genjosanzo8]

interesting

[superrayman3]

And it have no proove that he works for a public release he just said that he want to.

No proof? Kei has repeatedly contacted and hounded Toei directly trying to get this stuff released officially for years (and he's even posted their responses on these very forums to back his claims up) so if that's not proof enough for you than IDK what to say.

[genjosanzo8]

And it have no proove that he works for a public release he just said that he want to.

No proof? Kei has repeatedly contacted and hounded Toei directly trying to get this stuff released officially for years (and he's even posted their responses on these very forums to back his claims up) so if that's not proof enough for you than IDK what to say.

i talk about actuality, about a current project not about all what he was tring before. if an official project exist i would be happy to buy the release but if companies don't care about these audio because actual release have good selling enough, kei will remain the only one and that is the thing i talk is very bad, i haven't said he doesn't try to release public but today he doesn't talk about these audio anymore, he doesn't talk about official release project so if official release have failed he choose to keep for himself these audio, what i hate is the legal justification when we know he obtain these audio totaly illegaly,

I have write to toei asking if an official release with broadcast audio is planned they didn't even answer me.
if toei really care about fan and about dragon ball quality they already have done a proper remaster of the series (with no color cast, with a proper sync), the same for funimation with seasons sets... toei and funi have law but we are custumers we have the power.
if they want the public buy theirs release they have to sell the best release they can with the kei materiel. if they don't it's their fault.

last thing: kei is an adult he can talk himself
only himself can tell what is true what is not true
it's a forum we share information and can share lot of things so he can talk it cost nothing to talk

if kei had question he can contact by pm i will answer to him

[superrayman3]

the reason i don't answer:
Why answering to a person who doesn't take time to answer other? when i ask him where was the funi project or other things he allways ignore public or private message.

This I will concede on, if kei doesn't have enough courtesy to respond to your non-requesting question about something then he shouldn't be asking you questions until he himself gives a response to your question (I'm probably going to get a lot of flack for saying that but I'm a firm believer in the equal balance of give and take).

[genjosanzo8]

the reason i don't answer:
Why answering to a person who doesn't take time to answer other? when i ask him where was the funi project or other things he allways ignore public or private message.

This I will concede on, if kei doesn't have enough courtesy to respond to your non-requesting question about something then he shouldn't be asking you questions until he himself gives a response to your question (I'm probably going to get a lot of flack for saying that but I'm a firm believer in the equal balance of give and take).

Kei can ignore pm request it is logical he had to received thousands pm about broadcast (even if the ignore option exist about member) but on the topics i don't understand.
It is what make me thinking that it will not have a public release, what the meaning to don't talk about the funi project if it trully exist? if he sign confidential documents that forbid him to talk he can tell that it could not talk about it .

He had been betray it is a fact but i have read that it concern a tv special that haven't been release anywhere in the world? it is not the kind of things that will be in official release so why it is a problem that it is public? he should enjoy that we are grateful to kei without him we haven't seen it. and it doesn't affect sell of dvd or blu-ray if toei wanted to they will have included it in theirs release.

if you want a thing only be release by official way why did he brake law to share with few other members? sharing with 10 person in the web or 1000 is the same in the law eyes. japanese law don't care about he give to 10 person or 1000. because others give him things he don't have? (it is baddddd and illegal too!!!!) because it is a collectors reaction? (the more having it less is the value) (even if it false because only the original vhs is authentic and have collectors value not a copy)

[kei17]

I haven't read all the rants here, but can we just stay on-topic? This thread is for sharing info about specific releases containing 4:3 footage of movies, so there's no point in posting something you can't tell its source to others. We want concrete information here.


By the way, I had forgotten the Greek DVD release. Its source is mostly Toei's old 16:9 masters, but some movies have the fullscreen footage. It suffers from PAL ghosting, but it's the best framing-wise.

Spoiler:

Greek


French Remaster


FUNi Single

[genjosanzo8]

I haven't read all the rants here, but can we just stay on-topic? This thread is for sharing info about specific releases containing 4:3 footage of movies, so there's no point in posting something you can't tell its source to others. We want concrete information here.

so fun you tell "we want concrete information here" , you should read all message you'll understand why i say nothing. if you just can imagine all the concrete information we want for the funi project and the same attitude you have by ignoring these. yes we could stay in the topic
i can tell it's source, it is just i dont want to give these information to someone that ask question to others but don't answer to them

[superrayman3]

I haven't read all the rants here, but can we just stay on-topic? This thread is for sharing info about specific releases containing 4:3 footage of movies, so there's no point in posting something you can't tell its source to others. We want concrete information here.

I don't think you're understanding genjosanzo8's point so let me try to explain it, what he's saying is that when he asked you a question about the FUNi broadcast audio project a while back you completely ignored him, and then you turned around and then started asking him questions about what he has without even being polite enough to respond to his questions (which from the perspective of an outsider seems very disrespectful) in short if you won't answer his questions you shouldn't expect him to answer yours in turn (you have to give before you receive and this is no exception).

Shifting gears to the topic at hand that greek shot actually doesn't look that bad, granted it's not the best out there by a long shot but there's probably worse out there as well.

[Danfun64]

While I strongly disagree with how Kei17's is handling his rare stuff, it is understandable. I believe that Kei does want his stuff released on official channels. The problem with that is"

• Kei might be bound by an NDA not to say anything.

• There is no guarantee that Toei, Funi, or some other group wants to release this stuff for a while.

• Funi probably has very little interest in releasing the Harmony Gold dub

He might be unwilling or unable to say anything about what's going on, but I'm sure that he wants it released officially one day...

[superrayman3]

• Kei might be bound by an NDA not to say anything.

He could easily say I'm bound by an NDA and can't say anything and that would've been better than just ignoring someone (you're allowed to reveal that you're under an NDA you just can't go into specifics).

[genjosanzo8]

i remember that theblackpaladin in the dragon ball kai topics said once funi will release the boo kai with a particularity but he have no right to tell anything about it, so if kei wanted to he could do the same thing, telling he has no right to talk don't give other information that a thing will exist. You have the right to tell you don't have the right to talk about.

But he just say nothing other than he will ignore all pm that concern rare things especially broadcast audio even if in fact he didn't answer to nothing (one time i have even ask him how he did his color correction (doing an encode is also illegal) he ignore my pm), and so after a story of a betray like if he will stop definitively all...

it is a big differrence between sharing files and talking about them, i can't resignate to the hope of an official way his attitude was to share in private with some person asking them to don't make it public some files (so the story of law breaking cant be used as an explanation) even in last message here he just "ignore" the fact and make a provocation with his ". so there's no point in posting something you can't tell its source to others. We want concrete information here." just to have the information HE want


i cant trust words from a guy who act like that.

He has the graal of dragon ball okay but this graal came from others and that is a thing some person easy forget