Super is not so bad like someone says

[Iberian_Saiyan]

BoG was okay but RF.. yikes. If I had known I would've just waited for Champa's arc.

[TheMikado]

BoG was okay but RF.. yikes. If I had known I would've just waited for Champa's arc.

Yeah, RoF was the arc that took it from ok to absolute disgust for me... Champa has leveled out in terms of quality but the story and power scaling are so jacked up I cant personally enjoy it and be in any amount of suspense to the events actually going on in the show anymore.

[Retan]

Lol people used to say the same thing about DBZ and the Buu saga, but that's really how this series works Imo, and I think how Toriyama want's it actually. I personally like it being mostly suspense less as then I can enjoy the characters more, and the fights more, and not worry if my favorite character is gonna die, but that just me.

[TheMikado]

Lol people used to say the same thing about DBZ and the Buu saga, but that's really how this series works Imo, and I think how Toriyama want's it actually. I personally like it being mostly suspense less as then I can enjoy the characters more, and the fights more, and not worry if my favorite character is gonna die, but that just me.

I think the main difference is that it was pretty much established early that no one was beating Buu straight out without some sort of Gimmick/new form.

We ended up with multiple ways to beat buu:

SSJ3
Gotenks SSJ3
Vegito
Ultimate Gohan

this was kinda fun, watching Goku or Vegeta almost lose a match (Magenta) while knowing they could go SSB like a light switch isnt as thrilling.

[DragonHermit]

I feel like 90% of true old school DB/DBZ will enjoy Super. Most people that dislike the show were casual fans who remember the series for something that it never really was, and only re-watch youtube clips rather than full episodes. (Sometimes memories are better than reality)

The only major criticism I have is animation, where Toei dropped the ball, but it's not like every scene is bad. Music, and the lack of a clear, long term story structure also need improvement.

[TekTheNinja]

I feel like 90% of true old school DB/DBZ will enjoy Super. Most people that dislike the show were casual fans who remember the series for something that it never really was, and only re-watch youtube clips rather than full episodes. (Sometimes memories are better than reality)

The only major criticism I have is animation, where Toei dropped the ball, but it's not like every scene is bad. Music, and the lack of a clear, long term story structure also need improvement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl5V9yydT8o

[fadeddreams5]

Super is a mediocre show and a terrible sequel/follow-up to DBZ. Flaws I see:

1. First of all, I wholeheartedly disagree that this show has good character development. In fact, that's one of its biggest flaws: it's almost entirely lacking in it. Gohan regressed. Goku regressed. Piccolo never evolved. Videl was replaced by a clone. Buu has been underused, and when he is, he's been changed into an unlikable character. Vegeta hasn't developed at all; he developed...at the end of the Buu saga, not in Super. Super has just followed that, kept him tame, and created gags with his character that happen to fit the tone of this show.

2. Then, there's the new characters. The audience are not emotionally invested in these character because, well, they're new. The fact that they have rushed their backstories leaves me not caring for any of them. For example, we see Frost, he looks like Frieza, but surprise!... he's good! When they revealed his true nature during the fight, we had not invested in this character long enough for this to merit any sense of shock or even care; it just made him an unlikable Frieza clone. Same thing happened in the Cabba fight, only a bit differently. Cabba became a SSJ because Vegeta threatened to destroy his planet. The fact that we don't know anything about Cabba's upbringing or know anything about his status or reputation in his planet made this moment lack so much impact; it almost felt like a parody compared to the SSJ transformations in DBZ.

3. Music is bland as ****. I'm sure someone out there exists who prefers it over Kikuchi and Faulconer's tracks, but it's probably 1 in a million.

4. Animation is still piss poor. No need to elaborate.

5. Fights are stale and incredibly uninspired. Seriously, the only good battles so far have been Vegeta vs Magetta and (part of) SSJG Goku vs Beerus. Dragon Ball is known for its fights, so... self-explanatory.

6. Lack of tension. This show has problems maintaining a balance between comedy and drama, constantly cutting off the few serious moments to add some sort of gag. It's an overall much more light-hearted show than DBZ. That's not a bad thing, but as a fan of late DB and DBZ, DBS is not what I was looking for in a sequel to that series. It's just a different sort of show... and a mediocre one at that.

I feel like 90% of true old school DB/DBZ will enjoy Super. Most people that dislike the show were casual fans who remember the series for something that it never really was, and only re-watch youtube clips rather than full episodes. (Sometimes memories are better than reality)

This comment gave me Goku's heart virus.

[TheMikado]

I feel like 90% of true old school DB/DBZ will enjoy Super. Most people that dislike the show were casual fans who remember the series for something that it never really was, and only re-watch youtube clips rather than full episodes. (Sometimes memories are better than reality)

The only major criticism I have is animation, where Toei dropped the ball, but it's not like every scene is bad. Music, and the lack of a clear, long term story structure also need improvement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl5V9yydT8o

Hahaha beautiful response

[Hellspawn28]

Cabba still has time to developed. He is likely have a bigger role when time goes on since we are likely going to visit more of Universe 6 soon. Cabba wants Goku and the others visit his home planet soon. He could be a new alley to Goku and the others soon as well.

[Bansho64]

I feel like 90% of true old school DB/DBZ will enjoy Super. Most people that dislike the show were casual fans who remember the series for something that it never really was, and only re-watch youtube clips rather than full episodes. (Sometimes memories are better than reality)

The only major criticism I have is animation, where Toei dropped the ball, but it's not like every scene is bad. Music, and the lack of a clear, long term story structure also need improvement.

I don't think you're really qualified to dictate if someone is a "true" fan or not. Regardless of what anyone likes, no one is a better fan than the other.

[pacz360]

One of my problems with super is that its the goku and vegeta show or feels like one like vince with cena or reigns in a sense of use if your not them or the gods your not gonna be shit whatsoever the only one that has been useful is jaco everyone else is just there to cheer them on.

[TheMikado]

One of my problems with super is that its the goku and vegeta show or feels like one like vince with cena or reigns in a sense of use if your not them or the gods your not gonna be shit whatsoever the only one that has been useful is jaco everyone else is just there to cheer them on.

Don't forget Bulma. She helped too.

[DragonHermit]

It's hilarious when people complaing about the show focusing too much on Goku. I hate to break it to you but that's all the 400 something episodes of DB/DBZ were. People want some philosophical show where characters undergo magical personal transformations and develop a more nuanced worldview.

DB has never been that kind of show and will never be. If you think it was, you need to go back and re-watch everything, because nostalgia is tricking your memories. Complaining about animation and music is one thing, which I agree with, but DB is a shonen and not Great Expectations or King Lear, nor GoT.

[TheMikado]

^ I think the only thing people really want is a decent story. I've been experienced a shonen where you can't even really get a sense of the protagonist is in real danger when in a fight. Power scaling is the crux of things as single a Pokemon or Yugi oh. Messing it up in the granddaddy of modern shonen is a HUGE mistake in my opinion.

[pacz360]

It's hilarious when people complaing about the show focusing too much on Goku. I hate to break it to you but that's all the 400 something episodes of DB/DBZ were. People want some philosophical show where characters undergo magical personal transformations and develop a more nuanced worldview.

DB has never been that kind of show and will never be. If you think it was, you need to go back and re-watch everything, because nostalgia is tricking your memories. Complaining about animation and music is one thing, which I agree with, but DB is a shonen and not Great Expectations or King Lear, nor GoT.

Even then they gave other time to shine during those times and no one here thinks db was perfect in anyway.

[pacz360]

^ I think the only thing people really want is a decent story. I've been experienced a shonen where you can't even really get a sense of the protagonist is in real danger when in a fight. Power scaling is the crux of things as single a Pokemon or Yugi oh. Messing it up in the granddaddy of modern shonen is a HUGE mistake in my opinion.

That and good use of the cast don't forget.

[DragonHermit]

I don't think you're really qualified to dictate if someone is a "true" fan or not. Regardless of what anyone likes, no one is a better fan than the other.

I made it clear that by true fan I don't mean someone who has undergone a spiritual ordeal to prove so, but someone that has watched all the episodes start to finish, and not just tidbits on Toonami and Youtube, and spends all their time talking about Broly SSJ4 being stronger than Vegetto as Golden Ape.

When a show is new, people just watch it and enjoy it, and don't try to impose their own opinion on HOW IT SHOULD BE. When a show returns, everyone has their own opinion about what each character should and shouldn't do, how the story should proceed, and if the writers don't do that, then the show is terrible.

[TheMikado]

^ I think the only thing people really want is a decent story. I've been experienced a shonen where you can't even really get a sense of the protagonist is in real danger when in a fight. Power scaling is the crux of things as single a Pokemon or Yugi oh. Messing it up in the granddaddy of modern shonen is a HUGE mistake in my opinion.

That and good use of the cast don't forget.

This was a mistake Z made. I'm not going to hold it against Super for continuing the trend. It's really par for the course at this point with the Dragonball series.

[pacz360]

^ I think the only thing people really want is a decent story. I've been experienced a shonen where you can't even really get a sense of the protagonist is in real danger when in a fight. Power scaling is the crux of things as single a Pokemon or Yugi oh. Messing it up in the granddaddy of modern shonen is a HUGE mistake in my opinion.

That and good use of the cast don't forget.

This was a mistake Z made. I'm not going to hold it against Super for continuing the trend. It's really par for the course at this point with the Dragonball series.

How is that a mistake z made if anything most people hold that against z

[Hellspawn28]

The Champa arc give Vegeta a bigger role and people bitch about it being a "Vegeta wank show". If Goku fought three opponents instead, fans will bitch about how Goku stole Vegeta's chance to shine .