Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
Oh, no, the detailed post I wrote was cleared. I l'll challenge myself to be brief instead!
I don't think the length of a battle should be more important than the story the battles are trying to tell. The reason for Goku's first bout with Boo being short and Majin Vegeta's fight with Goku being glanced over is due to the narrative being focused on the primary story. The former conflict was never meant to be a serious battle, but to stall for time so that Trunks could fetch the Dragon Radar just as the latter battle wasn't as important as the story of Gohan and Kaioshin attempting to do something about the wizard and his pod which was the narrative's primary focus.
The funny part about this, in light of recent forum posts, is that we seem to be disappointed that the story isn't focusing on Goku and Vegeta which is now one of the main complaints of Super.
The manga is just a shorter version of the anime and nothing else. Or does anyone actually think the battles happen in a few pictures where half of the actual movement that is meant to be is not shown. The anime is simply an extended version for me. The manga is a must to me but they are both a great part of one entirety.1
"Citation needed."
"too lazy
feel free to take it with grain of salt or discredit me altogether, I'm not losing any sleep"
Kuririn Fan wrote:The whole final fight, from Gotenks to Genki Dama kill is 28 chapters, that's not exactly short.
That's not one battle though, it's 4.
The final battle was the one that took place on the Kaioshin planet which was really short for a final battle, especially for something like dragon ball which is known for it's long battles.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
Kuririn Fan wrote:The whole final fight, from Gotenks to Genki Dama kill is 28 chapters, that's not exactly short.
That's not one battle though, it's 4.
The final battle was the one that took place on the Kaioshin planet which was really short for a final battle, especially for something like dragon ball which is known for it's long battles.
I see it as 1 big final battle.
And conveniently enough, all 4 parts are 7 chapters each.
I'm a Paul Heyman manga guy, due to a couple reasons, the manga is easier to access for me, it's what I'm most used to and I can finish a volume of the manga before I can watch two episodes, of the anime.
I have borderline personality disorder, if my posts ever come off as aggressive or word vomit-y to you, please let me know.
The manga, hands down. The art is more consistent, the pacing is better, the battles are better handled and no jokes are lost in translation or adaptation.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:The manga, hands down. The art is more consistent, the pacing is better, the battles are better handled and no jokes are lost in translation or adaptation.
Other than not cutting to some irrelevant scene with Bulma, i don't think the fights were handled better. For one, the fights in the anime are pretty much the same except with more material, and no, that isn't just due to staring contests. The jokes didn't get lost in translation because it's easier to adapt when you can write a note in the margin to explain the pun.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
I prefer the manga. In fact I don't enjoy the anime anymore because of it's slow pace and all the filler (as in long shots and stuff, not the actual filler episodes). I wanted to watch Kai, but they removed the only thing I still liked about the anime: it's music
It's going to be hard to tell for anybody who saw the anime first. Nobody is going to read the manga without super imposing a lot of the voices and character traits that come with the anime onto the characters.
If you read the manga first, you might project something different onto them.
Lord Beerus wrote:The manga, hands down. The art is more consistent, the pacing is better, the battles are better handled and no jokes are lost in translation or adaptation.
Other than not cutting to some irrelevant scene with Bulma, i don't think the fights were handled better. For one, the fights in the anime are pretty much the same except with more material, and no, that isn't just due to staring contests. The jokes didn't get lost in translation because it's easier to adapt when you can write a note in the margin to explain the pun.
The fights being handled better goes back to how I said the pacing was better. Some of the fights in the anime dragged on and on, Goku and Freeza being the most notorious example. But to the anime, to its credit, did a much better job of the SSJ2 Goku/SSJ2 Majin Vegeta battle than Toriyama did.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I had a big, long post ready, and then I realized my answer is really as simple as: manga, outside of the Boo arc, which Toei really nailed on every front.
I'm quite happy and content with the uncensored manga, English Kai, or the original anime in japanese. Those are the three ways I indulge in the series and I like them all for different reasons.
Some of the fights in the anime dragged on and on, Goku and Freeza being the most notorious example
The fight itself didn't drag on. The bulk of the added material was either flashbacks or cutaways. The added fight material was almost always good.
The manga has some pacing issues as well. It blows past things like Gohan's introduction. We don't spend nearly enough time with him before the fight to really care about him beyond him being Goku's son. We also don't spend enough time with Piccolo and Gohan to buy Piccolo willing to give up his life to save this young boy. Then there's Goku getting that special water from Karin to unlock his hidden potential. All that happens is Karin goes off panel gets the water, Goku drinks, struggles for a page or two then he's fine. The Buu arc in the manga just reads like he's rushing to the finish line.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
I think i like the manga a little bit more. Also, this may be stupid, but it makes me feel like a hardcore fan, because outside of Japan, reading manga ain't that popular, especially for old stuff whose anime version is waaaaaaay more popular, like Dragon Ball. You also experience the original story, from the author himself and begin to understand all that filler when they had to adapt the fighting chapters.
As a whole I prefer the manga, the biggest reason being the better pacing. Yes I know, the anime added more material in certain areas where the manga was lacking (Gohan´s training and character in both the Saiyan Arc and the Android & Cell Arc, SSJ2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta in the Bu Arc, giving more screentime to side characters in the Dragon Ball anime to name a few) but outside of those specific areas at times things went on far longer than they needed and at worst things that actually dragged in the manga are cracked up to eleven in the anime by said added material (good quality or not it doesn´t change the fact that the added stuff was halting the plot).
Dragon Ball was always a kid series and fans should stop being in denial.
I always prefer the source/manga, only having two or three exceptions, but I grew up watching the anime and I can't just say "the manga is far superior". For me, DB and DBZ were good adaptations, but just good. Most of filler were very boring, and I not saying about arcs, but damn, just watch Goku vs. Freeza
I like to watch 3, 6, 10 episodes a day. If you're watching 1 per week/day, the pacing is fine, but if you're into the show or doing a marathon, you'll get tired very easy
Also, I have some problem with Kikuchi score. The guy is a genius, you know, but if you're watching ANY episode and hear a track, the next track will sound very similar. That's a bit annoying, and more clear if you're watching more than just one episode per day
For the japanese version, the voice cast is great! I can't complain the voice acting, and "woman voice Goku" is far being a problem. The brazilian DB/DBZ version is fine too
I l'll challenge myself to be brief instead!
