Should Super have skipped RoF?

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Re: Should Super have skipped RoF?

Post by Shinomori » Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:25 pm

I believe the whole idea of RoF should have been scrapped. It had potential, but if you're going to bring back an old villian for the third time, the dynamic better be special. In this case, it wasn't special at all. I should have been awed by Frieza's new transformation and all we got was a rehash of his final form. If that was not enough, how did Goku and Vegeta beat Frieza, or what was the climax of this arc? Frieza essentially lost in the same way he lost to Goku the first time around. He had no control of his power, and got weaker as the fight went along. The transformation was lazy and the writing was equally lazy.

In the end, it was the equivalent of bringing Broly back for the third movie, and he turned out to be a sludge monster.

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Re: Should Super have skipped RoF?

Post by dbs fanboy » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:32 am

Yes!!!!!
We watched that movie that year, so it wasn't necessary to have an arc based on that material.
Also, super's version was so rushed that made that arc terrible, it didn't show Freeza's training, Tagoma was wasted, the animation was terrible overall, the art was bad as well, and it's non existence wouldn't really affect this show.

Instead of having the RoF arc Toei could have given us something else, idk like an special based on Jaco's manga. That would've been great, people would finally know about Jaco's past and it would've been a funny arc, that we would have probably enjoyed (maybe).
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Re: Should Super have skipped RoF?

Post by PsionicWarrior » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:28 pm

Like I just posted elsewhere I found both retellings (BoG and RoF) unneeded, could have been worth it if serious love was put into (better animations, interesting new plot material absent from movies) but in the end I think Super would have started better off directly with Shanpa arc. OTOH the criticism early episodes of Super received was warranted so the new material learned from it which is a good thing.

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Re: Should Super have skipped RoF?

Post by MaGyunia » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:33 pm

The core issue is the reintroduction of Freeza again and have him become powerful enough to challenge Goku and Vegeta after the immensity of their improvement since the Freeza arc. He skipped insane and absurd amounts of training with four months of training. I was never satisfied with that. Having an arc in DBSuper dedicated to retelling it was just a necessary (?) consequence, they decided to go down the road of using BoG and Fukkatsu no F as the first thirty episodes of the series, either for commercial reasons or for purposes that have to do with the potential of the storytelling and plot of these movies, or a combination of the two, but whatever the reason is it will forever be discussed whether or not deciding to retell BoG and Fukkatsu no F as entire arcs within DBSuper was right or not. BoG seems necessary, for the introduction of Beerus, Whis and the concept of Super Saiya-jin God, though.

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Re: Should Super have skipped RoF?

Post by PsionicWarrior » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:47 pm

MaGyunia wrote:BoG seems necessary, for the introduction of Beerus, Whis and the concept of Super Saiya-jin God, though.
BoG the movie was necessary yes, and absolutely awesome! Is the retelling in Super which bothered me a bit, it was like watching an extended version with nothing much to add and sub-par drawings and animations.

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Re: Should Super have skipped RoF?

Post by Luso Saiyan » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:28 pm

They should have just aired both movies (with the filler they ended up doing in-between) and be done with it.

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Re: Should Super have skipped RoF?

Post by sintzu » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:09 pm

dbs fanboy wrote:Super's version was so rushed that made that arc terrible.
The movie was rushed even more so at least the arc did more with what it had to work with.
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Re: Should Super have skipped RoF?

Post by GodKaio-Ken » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:14 pm

I'm not sure it should have been scrapped but I do think it should have been done MUCH MUCH BETTER and is the weakest arc in an otherwise good DB Series (IMO of course)
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