So who or what is Black?

[Neon Z]

I think he might have something to do with one of the destroyed universes Beerus talked about.

There are currently 12 universes but before there were 18 so what if each of the 6 destroyed universe had combined elements of a twin pair ? and black survived its destruction ?

So your saying there was a double of everyone from universe 6 and 7 in one of the 6 destroyed universes. That could explain Goku Black's origin but not why he is after Trunks. Every theory that is going around does not explain why he is after Trunks.

Maybe he knew about Trunks' time machine and wanted to make him use it for some reason. He might be able to track him through time or something like that.

[ekrolo2]

I don't really have a clue for what he is but given how Future Bulma "dies" I've got a couple of ideas as to what he can do at least. After Trunks escapes, we see Bulma sort of vanish into shadow, possibly implying she's not dead but absorbed by Black.

Going by this train of thought, and a probable relation Black has to a Kai of his time, it's entirely possible Black might've absorbed the warriors of Other World to attain his level of strength. Think about it, Vegeta never got redeemed so his soul has most likely ended up in Hell or reincarnated into a new being by this point, leaving Goku as the strongest potential fight in the after life. This would explain why Black would take Goku's appearance over anyone else's despite taking over numerous other fighters too.

The possibility of him absorbing people would also allow him to create his own time machine and follow Trunks to the present. After all, with a time machine Black can wait any number of years for the machines juice to fill up and with Bulma's knowledge, he'd know the precise date to when Trunks traveled to in the past.

[UpFromTheSkies]

It's not Goku or Goten because they wouldn't need to learn how to sense ki, and Trunks said Black has learned to sense his ki just recently.

[AvatarReiko]

Gods and the early DB Super episodes? The Pilaf gang used the Dragon Balls to become young.

Different timelines. It's been stated that whatever happens in present has no affect on the future. Hence the reason the future didn't change. Future Mai =/=present Mai

[ekrolo2]

It's not Goku or Goten because they wouldn't need to learn how to sense ki, and Trunks said Black has learned to sense his ki just recently.

He could've just been screwing with Trunks though. 17 and 18 fooled Future Gohan into believing he stood a chance and in the manga its revealed he only ever got a taste of their real power in the fight that ultimately killed him. And we all know how much DB villains love to play with their food so to speak before getting around to killing it.

[namekiansaiyan]

I think he might have something to do with one of the destroyed universes Beerus talked about.

There are currently 12 universes but before there were 18 so what if each of the 6 destroyed universe had combined elements of a twin pair ? and black survived its destruction ?

So your saying there was a double of everyone from universe 6 and 7 in one of the 6 destroyed universes. That could explain Goku Black's origin but not why he is after Trunks. Every theory that is going around does not explain why he is after Trunks.

Maybe he knew about Trunks' time machine and wanted to make him use it for some reason. He might be able to track him through time or something like that.

How does he know about the time machine.

[sintzu]

So your saying there was a double of everyone from universe 6 and 7 in one of the 6 destroyed universes.

That could explain Goku Black's origin but not why he is after Trunks.

Yes or almost everyone.

He wasn't after Trunks personally, he was after the Saiyans so maybe they played some role in getting one or all the 6 universes destroyed.

[ekrolo2]

So your saying there was a double of everyone from universe 6 and 7 in one of the 6 destroyed universes.

That could explain Goku Black's origin but not why he is after Trunks.

Yes or almost everyone.

He wasn't after Trunks personally, he was after the Saiyans so maybe they played some role in getting one or all the 6 universes destroyed.

I like and dislike this possibility. It'd be cool if a little tidbit that seems throwaway became a major factor later on in the arc but at the same time.... fuck the Saiyan's. Seriously, just no more of them. U6 has its twin universe excuse but we truly do not need anymore of them in the multiverse.

[sintzu]

It'd be cool if a little tidbit that seems throwaway became a major factor later on in the arc.

I don't think it would've been brought up for nothing especially with Zeno being involved.

[ekrolo2]

It'd be cool if a little tidbit that seems throwaway became a major factor later on in the arc.

I don't think it would've been brought up for nothing especially with Zeno being involved.

The writers of Super are morons so I wouldn't give them that much credit. These are the same people who's definition of extending a story is to cut its fat out and replace it with fluff.

[sintzu]

The writers of Super are morons so I wouldn't give them that much credit. These are the same people who's definition of extending a story is to cut its fat out and replace it with fluff.

That's why I'm keeping my expectations a bit low.

[ekrolo2]

The writers of Super are morons so I wouldn't give them that much credit. These are the same people who's definition of extending a story is to cut its fat out and replace it with fluff.

That's why I'm keeping my expectations a bit low.

I'd feel a lot better if Yusuke Watanabe was spearheading the show, that guys comment about how the GT staff messed up Gohan's Ultimate form in response to BoG's critiques alone tells me there is (or was) at least one DB person at Toei who had the beginnings of a clue.

[PrinceVegetto]

Maybe Black Goku is Goku being possessed by a Makaioshin kind of how Vegeta is possessed by Bebi in GT...Then again, maybe he's the new god of destruction in Trunks' timeline like some others have been saying.

[Marco Polo]

Gods and the early DB Super episodes? The Pilaf gang used the Dragon Balls to become young.

Different timelines. It's been stated that whatever happens in present has no affect on the future. Hence the reason the future didn't change. Future Mai =/=present Mai

Sigh.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Maybe the green potara cause the wearer to split apart into good and evil halves, like what happened with Kami and Piccolo, and Black is Goku's evil half. That would explain why he only has one potara.

[Shinomori]

That scene at the end where Black was coming down in that cloud was awesome. You can only see his shadow as he fired at Trunks, but it look like he did it so nonchalantly. I'm so impressed with him so far. I can only hope his backstory isn't a let down. I actually want Black Goku to involve Goku. I don't want this to be some being only using Goku's likeness and copying his techniques. Though judging by him referencing Trunks as a saiyan, it doesn't look like this is Goku in any way.

[Cipher]

Maybe the green potara cause the wearer to split apart into good and evil halves, like what happened with Kami and Piccolo, and Black is Goku's evil half. That would explain why he only has one potara.

I like this theory!

That scene at the end where Black was coming down in that cloud was awesome. You can only see his shadow as he fired at Trunks, but it look like he did it so nonchalantly. I'm so impressed with him so far. I can only hope his backstory isn't a let down. I actually want Black Goku to involve Goku. I don't want this to be some being only using Goku's likeness and copying his techniques. Though judging by him referencing Trunks as a saiyan, it doesn't look like this is Goku in any way.

Yeah, this episode (and the intro) did quite a bit to imbue Black with a level of personality I hope doesn't disappear. I also hope it's not just a case of shape-shifting or body-snatching, but that he really is some version of -- or split from -- Goku.

[Doctor.]

The writers of Super are morons so I wouldn't give them that much credit. These are the same people who's definition of extending a story is to cut its fat out and replace it with fluff.

That's why I'm keeping my expectations a bit low.

I'd feel a lot better if Yusuke Watanabe was spearheading the show, that guys comment about how the GT staff messed up Gohan's Ultimate form in response to BoG's critiques alone tells me there is (or was) at least one DB person at Toei who had the beginnings of a clue.

Isn't that the guy who wrote the "My Bulma!" scene? I'd say he's just as bad as the others.

[ekrolo2]

That's why I'm keeping my expectations a bit low.

I'd feel a lot better if Yusuke Watanabe was spearheading the show, that guys comment about how the GT staff messed up Gohan's Ultimate form in response to BoG's critiques alone tells me there is (or was) at least one DB person at Toei who had the beginnings of a clue.

Isn't that the guy who wrote the "My Bulma!" scene? I'd say he's just as bad as the others.

The "My Bulma" scene is only really problematic because of Roshi's comment about Vegeta's power (which is still leaps and bounds less ridiculous than what Super did with that scene emotionally and power wise). Given how bad Toriyama's been after BoG, I wouldn't be surprised if Watanabe's contributions are the sole reason that turned out as good as it did.

[Chiki]

My guess is that he was created by that green Kaioshin because of Trunks time traveling. Goku Black really wants to kill Trunks for some reason, and Trunks's only crime was to time travel.