English dub airings of Dragon Ball Franchise

[clutchins]

I should have clarified this. Can you confirm that their VCD of The Legend of Shenron has an English dub made by them? I've heard that the VCDs of that movie just have the 1995 Ocean dub on there, much like how they released episodes of the show on VCD and they turned out to be the Saban dub.

[linkdude20002001]

Well, it's probably their own dub judging by the title since the TV episodes have two different releases. I've seen some with Funimation titles (and I'd assume the Funimation fub), and some with horrendously translated Toei titles (sometimes for episodes we never even got in FUNi's 1996 dub like Gohan and the robot).

Are those Philipino episodes "lost" like the Harmony Gold ones, or are they saved? Does anyone know?

In addition to what Danfun said, Movie 5/6 was released on VHS, tho they seem to be extremely rare. Sadly the TV episodes may be lost forever, unless someone recorded them back in the day and still has them.

[clutchins]

Well, it's probably their own dub judging by the title since the TV episodes have two different releases. I've seen some with Funimation titles (and I'd assume the Funimation fub), and some with horrendously translated Toei titles (sometimes for episodes we never even got in FUNi's 1996 dub like Gohan and the robot).

Are those Philipino episodes "lost" like the Harmony Gold ones, or are they saved? Does anyone know?

In addition to what Danfun said, Movie 5/6 was released on VHS, tho they seem to be extremely rare. Sadly the TV episodes may be lost forever, unless someone recorded them back in the day and still has them.

I talked to my friend about this and he says that VCDs with similar titles to the Funimation English titles like "The History of Trunk" (no s) are usually the Funimation dub thrown on a VCD. The VCDs with outrageously translated titles like "The Vengeance of the Demon King" have a dub made by Speedy.

With this logic applied, "The Legend of Shenron" sounds like it should be a Speedy dub, but I've heard conflicting reports that implicate that it may be the 1995 dub.

[ATEMVEGETA]

Is it know for someone to have those movies 5 and 6?

And something else...
Saban did edited DBZ episodes 1-53 and the 3rd Movie (Tree of Might) split into 3 episodes. Later I found out that those episodes were released in DVDs. In the same DVDs there are also the DBZ Movies 1-3. Are those The 53 episodes of Saban and the 3rd Movie Saban's as well? The other 2 movies?

[VegettoEX]

And something else...
Saban did edited DBZ episodes 1-53 and the 3rd Movie (Tree of Might) split into 3 episodes. Later I found out that those episodes were released in DVDs. In the same DVDs there are also the DBZ Movies 1-3. Are those The 53 episodes of Saban and the 3rd Movie Saban's as well? The other 2 movies?

The three-part TV edit of "Tree of Might" theoretically didn't actually receive a home release until the "Rock the Dragon" collector's set in August 2013. There were advertisements for an edited VHS release back-in-the-day, and I remember Tanooki was looking around and trying to figure out if that ever came out, but I don't think it did.

The first three movies as released on VHS/LD/DVD in 1997-1998 from FUNimation with Pioneer are all uncut/bilingual; it's a separate dub of DBZ Movie 3 with a heavily adjusted script (as in, adjusted back to be accurate!) and the original Japanese musical score.

So in a nutshell, those three movies didn't get "edited" home releases (as they aired on Toonami, with the movie 3 one being the old 90s version with Saban) until the "Rock the Dragon" set.

[linkdude20002001]

No one we know of, but there surely must be plenty of people in the Philippines who own it and just don't go on this forum. Plus most of them probably aren't avid fans anymore. I talked to the voice actor for Thousar, and he said he owned it, but lost it.

FUNi's Rock the Dragon boxset? Yeah, that's the one produced under Saban's demands. It was Funimation's staff who actually made the edits, tho, not Saban. They just told them what wasn't allowed, so they could get TV stations to pick it up. They dubbed 53 episodes and Movie Three. Movie One and Movie Two, however, were dubbed by Geneon (Pioneer), not Funimation, and Saban was not involved. Geneon re-dubbed Movie Three; they were all released uncensored. BUT...they did make censored versions of Movie One and Movie Two for airing on TV. I don't own the Rock the Dragon Set, but I KINDA hope they put the censored version on it just so we have it in better quality than old VHS recording...but I guess it'd be nice to have the uncut dub on a higher quality release.

Ah, looks like I was too slow, Mister EX... :p

With this logic applied, "The Legend of Shenron" sounds like it should be a Speedy dub, but I've heard conflicting reports that implicate that it may be the 1995 dub.

I see. Well, I guess I'll just have to get my hands on one one-day. Man, if only I'd had a job back when these VCDs were still for sale...

[ATEMVEGETA]

According to this Pioneer released Movies 1-3 uncut. So, if I understand right you say that Pioneer released also those 3 movies edited and showed them on TV. Right?

But then the "Rock the Dragon boxset" contains what exactly? The edited version of those 3 movies or the uncut? If they contain the edited version is it Saban's (3 episode split) version or Pioneer's edited version?

EDIT:
It mentions in the same page:

However, FUNimation did release a collector's DVD box set in August 2013 titled "Rock the Dragon Edition" with the original 53 Saban edited episodes and the 3 movies for the nostalgia market. It should be noted that this DVD set features the home video debut of Movie 3's original edited Ocean dub, as the uncut Ocean dub of Movie 3 was previously the only version released to home video by Pioneer.

It mentions that it includes the edited version of Movie 3 made by Ocean dub, but it doesn't specify if it is Saban's or Pioneers. Unless there was only 1 edited dub of this movie anyway!

[Puto]

Rock the Dragon set has the Saban dub of the third movie, and the Toonami edits of the Pioneer dubs of the other two.
Original Pioneer DVDs had the Pioneer dub of all three movies uncut.
There is no edited version of Pioneer's movie 3.

[ATEMVEGETA]

Oh! I see!
So we have:

1) Saban's Movie 3 (edited) (3 in one episodes)
2) Pioneer's Movie 1 and Movie 2 (edited)
3) Pioneer's Movie 1, Movie 2 and Movie 3 (uncut)

And from those, Rock the Dragon set has (1) and (2)?

[VegettoEX]

That is correct.

[ATEMVEGETA]

Awesome! Thanks guys! Have Prioneer's uncut movies been released in a DVD maybe?

[VegettoEX]

Awesome! Thanks guys! Have Prioneer's uncut movies been released in a DVD maybe?

Yes. They were released that way back in 1997-1998 when they first came out: dubbed VHS, subtitled VHS, bilingual Laserdisc, and bilingual DVD.

[ATEMVEGETA]

Are they these?:
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http://www.anime-covers.com/cov-4157-dr ... nglish.jpg

Btw, did Pioneer released episodes as well? :S
What is this exactly?: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com ... 9D0ZHL.jpg

[VegettoEX]

... you may wish to read through OUR "Home Video Guide" here on Kanzenshuu, which accurately explains all these releases!

[TheBalishChannel]

The three episode version of Tree of Might hasn't released. Only the feature-length version that was broadcast on Toonami and YTV was included on the "Rock the Dragon Edition" DVD Collector's Set.

When Tree of Might aired in syndication, it was split into three episodes which played between episodes 45 and 46. They each had their own recaps and next episode previews, which have yet surface onto the internet in any capacity.

[ATEMVEGETA]

Tnx VegettoEX!

TheBalishChannel this is interesting! So those episodes can be considered "lost" as the Harmony Gold and the Philippino DB episodes and movies 10-11?

[ATEMVEGETA]

So, comming back to this thread with another DBZ dub question.

I came up to the Westwood and FUNimation dubs of DBZ and I found some different versions of them. From what I know, after Saban's dub of the first (cut) 1-53 episodes of DBZ, Westwood went ahead and dubed the episodes 108-276. Then FUNimation re-dubed the episodes 54-276 (with a different voice casting than Westwood's dub in the episodes 108-276). Later FUNimation got all the rights of the DBZ and re-released(?) again every single DBZ episode uncut (1-291).

If this is correct I have some questions.
1) I have 2 versions of DBZ episodes (one beeing the uncut version and the other I'm not sure exactly what is it) that have different music, though with a first look they seem to have the same voice dub but looking more carefully I noticed that some lines differ. Like Vegeta in episode 92 "Goku's Alive" saying "those fools" in the first version and "silly fools" in the second. This means they are 2 different releases. Did FUNimation changed the music (and some lines) of the DBZ episodes 54-276 from their first dub when they made the uncut version?
2) Excluding KAI, was there any other English release, either by FUNimation or someone else of DBZ episodes? (Either it is music change or voice change)
3) Was there any cut/censored version of DBZ episodes 54-276?

Thanks!

[clutchins]

So, comming back to this thread with another DBZ dub question.

I came up to the Westwood and FUNimation dubs of DBZ and I found some different versions of them. From what I know, after Saban's dub of the first (cut) 1-53 episodes of DBZ, Westwood went ahead and dubed the episodes 108-276. Then FUNimation re-dubed the episodes 54-276 (with a different voice casting than Westwood's dub in the episodes 108-276). Later FUNimation got all the rights of the DBZ and re-released(?) again every single DBZ episode uncut (1-291).

If this is correct I have some questions.
1) I have 2 versions of DBZ episodes (one beeing the uncut version and the other I'm not sure exactly what is it) that have different music, though with a first look they seem to have the same voice dub but looking more carefully I noticed that some lines differ. Like Vegeta in episode 92 "Goku's Alive" saying "those fools" in the first version and "silly fools" in the second. This means they are 2 different releases. Did FUNimation changed the music (and some lines) of the DBZ episodes 54-276 from their first dub when they made the uncut version?
2) Excluding KAI, was there any other English release, either by FUNimation or someone else of DBZ episodes? (Either it is music change or voice change)
3) Was there any cut/censored version of DBZ episodes 54-276?

Thanks!

1) You are most likely referring to the 2007 Redub that was released on the Orange Bricks and later the Blu-rays. I'm only guessing because I don't have my DVDs in front of me at the moment, but the "silly fools" line is probably from the 1999 Original Dub, while the "those fools" line sounds like it's from the 2007 Redub. Funimation had several voice actors come in to redub their characters for consistency's sake so characters like Vegeta, Krillin, etc. would sound consistent throughout the entirety of the show. This is easier to understand if you watch both versions side by side.
2) Other than the Philippines English dub, I can't think of anything else.
3) Yes, a slightly edited version of the 1999 Original Dub aired on Toonami, but the editing was nowhere near the likes of Saban.

By the way, the Westwood dub came after the Funimation dub ca. 2002. There is a story somewhere on a thread here about one of the scriptwriters for Ocean transcribing the Funimation script as he was watching it on television, since Westwood couldn't get the actual scripts from Funimation.

[ATEMVEGETA]

1) The 1999 dub you're reffering is the Westwood dub and the 2007 Redub is FUNimations, right? Also, as far as I know the 1999 one never got a home release, correct?
2) Thanks!
3) Wait, you mean that the 1999 dub not only has different music and lines but also some edited scenes from the 2007 one? Or you mean that Toonami aired another version of the 1999 dub which was edited, making the 1999 dub have 2 versions, the edited one aired on Toonami and the uncut one (aired where?)?

[VegettoEX]

Ignoring the alternate/Westwood English dub, here's a quick rundown of FUNimation's convoluted DBZ mess, and even then, only the TV series:

• 1996: FUNimation begins production on DBZ. Ocean Studios (voices) and Shuki Levy (music) are outsourced. They dub 53 edited TV episodes (and a three-episode version of DBZ Movie 3) over the course of 1996-1998. These air in syndication on American television.
• 1997 Part 1: FUNimation begins releasing the same episodes as they're airing on TV (edited, dub-only) on home VHS through Pioneer. These continue through the end of the 53 episodes.
• 1997 Part 2: FUNimation produces uncut versions of DBZ Movies 1, 3, and 2 (yes, in that order) that they release on VHS, Laserdisc, and DVD through Pioneer. These are available dubbed and subtitled on all formats and are uncut-only.
• 1999 Part 1: FUNimation begins releasing DVD versions of the exact same episodes that aired in syndication (edited, dub-only) on DVD volumes that correspond on a 1-to-1 basis with the VHS releases.
• 1999 Part 2: FUNimation begin production on DBZ again. Local voices are recruited and music is outsourced to Faulconer Productions. "Season Three" begins airing on Toonami. Edited and uncut dub-only VHS volumes are released through the end of their production in 2003 (see below); the edited version was the TV broadcast lines (Vegeta's "I'm an absolute genius!") while the uncut lines are amped-up a bit (Vegeta's "I'm a friggin' genius!").
• 2000: FUNimation begins releasing single-disc DVD volumes which correspond on a 1-to-1 basis with the existing VHS volumes. These are released over time, not necessarily in tandem with the release dates of the corresponding VHS volumes. These have both the original Japanese version and English dub uncut.
• Somewhere in 2000-2001: Certain dub actors fired/let go. Dale Kelley's narration taken over by Kyle Hebert, who eventually goes back and redubs over the existing narration.
• 2003: FUNimation's production of DBZ wraps up its initial airing on Toonami.
• 2005: FUNimation begins releasing (and eventually airing on Cartoon Network) the "Ultimate Uncut Edition", which redubs episodes 1-68 (the first two TV broadcast seasons) uncut with their current/Texas voice cast and yet another new replacement musical score by Nathan Johnson. (SIDE NOTE: As a part of this "Ultimate Uncut" series, FUNimation *also* re-dubs DBZ Movies 1, 2, and 3 with the current cast and a new replacement musical score; these are released as the "First Strike" DVD box set.) While these TV episodes air in their entirety on Cartoon Network, the DVDs are cut short after only nine volumes in favor of...
• 2007: FUNimation begins releasing the orange brick / season DVD sets, which are cropped to widescreen. Certain voice actors (Sabat in particular) re-recorded a variety of lines up through season four of the TV broadcast. This is the version of the dub that will continue to be used on all subsequent home releases (Dragon Box, Level sets, season Blu-rays, etc.). The orange bricks have three audio tracks: (1) original Japanese, (2) English dub with TV broadcast replacement music, and (3) English dub with original Japanese musical score.
• 2009: FUNimation begins releasing the Dragon Box version, which contains ONLY (1) the original Japanese version, and (2) English dub with original Japanese musical score; no replacement music is available here.
• 2010: FUNimation begins production on "Dragon Ball Z Kai", the 20th anniversary "refresh" of the DBZ TV series produced in Japan. The majority of the voice cast is kept, with some notable replacements and recasts (Gohan, Bulma, Freeza). For a while, a new musical score by Kenji Yamamoto is used, until the point where Toei is forced to acknowledge potential plagiarism and all countries are forced to swap out the music with tunes recycled from Shunsuke Kikuchi's original DBZ TV musical score.
• 2011: FUNimation begins releasing the "Level" Blu-ray sets. These are in their proper 4:3 aspect ratio and feature the same three audio tracks as the orange bricks. They only get two volumes in before canceling them in favor of...
• 2013 Part 1: FUNimation begins releasing the "season" Blu-ray sets. Like the orange bricks, these are cropped to widescreen. They feature the same three audio tracks as the orange bricks.
• 2013 Part 2: FUNimation releases the "Rock the Dragon" DVD box set, which is a re-release of the original 1-53 edited, dub-only DBZ TV episodes from the syndication broadcast. It also includes the TV version of DBZ Movie 3 (re-strung together as a movie, rather than in three separate parts). It also includes the edited versions of DBZ Movies 1 and 2 (the 1997 versions) as they aired on Toonami.

I've looked this over several times but all the words are running together in my head. If anyone sees anything worth pointing out, lemme know.