The Vegeta Controversy - What did you expect?

[omaro34]

What controversy? This is ridiculous. Vegeta is one of the main characters in the franchise, he always gets a chance to fight the main villain. He definitely had his share of dominance in the past; have people forgotten what he did last Arc in the tournament?

Vegeta fans should never complain. They should know by now that he will always be second to Goku no matter how strong he becomes. That's been established a very long time ago. At least he stays relevant.

How do you think fans of my man Piccolo, Gohan, Gotenks, or Buu feel when their favorites are not even in this current Arc? Most of us still watch and enjoy the show.

There shouldn't be a controversy. This actually annoys me, and believe me I don't get annoyed easily.

[Kagari]

Are people already forgetting Vegeta just defeated Goku? via rock paper scissors. He's already defeated his lifetime rival, why complain more?

You got me! To be honest, a lot of Vegeta fans won't be satisfied until he's completely equal to Goku. Who cares if Goku's the main character? Who cares if he got lucky enough to be the only other relevant character from Z? They want more.

They should be happy with this tbh. Though I'll say Vegeta's character development and sacrifice from the Buu arc was completely undermined the minute Toriyama decided to revive him. Shame.

[kinisking]

Are people already forgetting Vegeta just defeated Goku? via rock paper scissors. He's already defeated his lifetime rival, why complain more?

You got me! To be honest, a lot of Vegeta fans won't be satisfied until he's completely equal to Goku. Who cares if Goku's the main character? Who cares if he got lucky enough to be the only other relevant character from Z? They want more.

They should be happy with this tbh. Though I'll say Vegeta's character development and sacrifice from the Buu arc was completely undermined the minute Toriyama decided to revive him. Shame.

Can you explain this more thoroughly? I disagree. That'd be like saying Piccolo's sacrifice was undermined the minute he was revived in the Namek arc. I love seeing how Vegeta's changed in Super and I'm glad he was revived.

[Alruneia]

I'm honestly confused by the attitude in this thread. I get "serves you right"-vibes. (I take full responsibility for those vibes as I'm the one interpreting the posts.) People are upset that Vegeta got stabbed because he's their favourite character and they don't want to see him get wrecked over and over (vs Frieza on Namek, vs Perfect Cell, vs Buu, vs Hit...) but want to see him get the big W for once. That's absolutely fine to want. Don't tell people to just be happy with what they get. Remember the outcry after Episode 5 and how you'd never tell people to just be happy with what they got back then! Always strive for something greater, damn it; that's like the main moral of the entire Dragon Ball story!
Vegeta fans will always want even better treatment for Vegeta, no matter how good he already has it. Rant over before I go into what I personally want from Super.

[TheMikado]

What controversy? This is ridiculous. Vegeta is one of the main characters in the franchise, he always gets a chance to fight the main villain. He definitely had his share of dominance in the past; have people forgotten what he did last Arc in the tournament?

Vegeta fans should never complain. They should know by now that he will always be second to Goku no matter how strong he becomes. That's been established a very long time ago. At least he stays relevant.

How do you think fans of my man Piccolo, Gohan, Gotenks, or Buu feel when their favorites are not even in this current Arc? Most of us still watch and enjoy the show.

There shouldn't be a controversy. This actually annoys me, and believe me I don't get annoyed easily.

Personally I'm not asking Vegeta to be to equal to Goku at all. I liked his handling of him in GT much better. He wasn't tagging after Goku wherever he went, he was busy living his own life seperate from Goku like he was at the EOZ. He doesn't need to be Gokus wingman or fall guy, they should have let him hang back at home and protect the earth if anything funny went down like they did in GT.
Vegeta as a character is fiercely independent and ego driven. Having him follow Goku around like a lap dog only to constantly job is an insult, it's like Gokus the new Krillin. Even Krillin isn't tagging around Goku anymore...

To summarize, fans are mad because they made Vegeta the new Krillin when he should be out doing whatever he wants and improving on his own terms as fitting to his persona and character. He didn't ask Trunks or Goku for help achieving SSJ, he did it from pure "I can handle myself" grit but that has been severally neutered in Super. Many fans prefer he not even be in the past at all if this is his only contribution.

[DainIronfoot]

A friend of mine was upset at that scene not because Vegeta was taken down so easily, but because he didn't die as a result. My friend was like "It hit him right in the heart and it was a HUGE Ki sword. How is Vegeta even able to talk after that!"

Lol

[kinisking]

I'm honestly confused by the attitude in this thread. I get "serves you right"-vibes. (I take full responsibility for those vibes as I'm the one interpreting the posts.) People are upset that Vegeta got stabbed because he's their favourite character and they don't want to see him get wrecked over and over (vs Frieza on Namek, vs Perfect Cell, vs Buu, vs Hit...) but want to see him get the big W for once. That's absolutely fine to want. Don't tell people to just be happy with what they get. Remember the outcry after Episode 5 and how you'd never tell people to just be happy with what they got back then! Always strive for something greater, damn it; that's like the main moral of the entire Dragon Ball story!
Vegeta fans will always want even better treatment for Vegeta, no matter how good he already has it. Rant over before I go into what I personally want from Super.

It's fine to want. Heck, I want it. But it isn't fine to expect and then get angry over when it doesn't happen.

Personally I'm not asking Vegeta to be to equal to Goku at all. I liked his handling of him in GT much better. He wasn't tagging after Goku wherever he went, he was busy living his own life seperate from Goku like he was at the EOZ. He doesn't need to be Gokus wingman or fall guy, they should have let him hang back at home and protect the earth if anything funny went down like they did in GT.
Vegeta as a character is fiercely independent and ego driven. Having him follow Goku around like a lap dog only to constantly job is an insult, it's like Gokus the new Krillin. Even Krillin isn't tagging around Goku anymore...

To summarize, fans are mad because they made Vegeta the new Krillin when he should be out doing whatever he wants and improving on his own terms as fitting to his persona and character. He didn't ask Trunks or Goku for help achieving SSJ, he did it from pure "I can handle myself" grit but that has been severally neutered in Super. Many fans prefer he not even be in the past at all if this is his only contribution.

But see, any character is destined to be Goku's wingman or fall guy because Goku's the main character. Unless they're basically written out of the show like Vegeta was in GT. But then people would be complaining about him not being relevant. I think youre in the minority there. People are calling this the Goku and Vegeta show for a reason. This is best case scenario.

[dbgtFO]

Are people already forgetting Vegeta just defeated Goku? via rock paper scissors. He's already defeated his lifetime rival, why complain more?

Then Vegeta shouldn't have been so dead-set on fighting Goku again in the Buu Arc, as he also won the Rock-Paper-Scissors then!

But.... but didnt Goku won that rock paper scissors match then?

Vegeta won the Rock-Paper-Scissors match, when they decided the order for who got to fight first against Babidi's men. Goku won later, when they had to decide, who got to fight first against Kid Buu.

[Anime Kitten]

A friend of mine was upset at that scene not because Vegeta was taken down so easily, but because he didn't die as a result. My friend was like "It hit him right in the heart and it was a HUGE Ki sword. How is Vegeta even able to talk after that!"

Yeah, same here. I wish he died there, to be honest. It's not like *ahem* he can't be revived with the Dragon Balls.

[DainIronfoot]

A friend of mine was upset at that scene not because Vegeta was taken down so easily, but because he didn't die as a result. My friend was like "It hit him right in the heart and it was a HUGE Ki sword. How is Vegeta even able to talk after that!"

Yeah, same here. I wish he died there, to be honest. It's not like *ahem* he can't be revived with the Dragon Balls.

Yeah. My friend was saying Vegeta gets knocked out by a hard punch from Hit but when a huge ki sword gores him directly in the heart area (in Dbz the blood in that scene would of been gushing out) he is still able to talk. My friend likes Vegeta too but he says there is no reason he shouldn't have died or at least be unresponsive and close to dying.

[jplaya2023]

vegeta has beaten all the small fries, never the big fish. That's why people have a problem with him keep on getting overlooked

[sintzu]

People are upset that Vegeta got stabbed because he's their favourite character and they want to see him get the big W for once. That's absolutely fine to want.

I think what he got against Freeza in Super is as close to a big win as he'll get and you can thank Toei for that cause Toriyama went out of his way to make sure that Goku got every bit of spotlight possible while everyone else got little to nothing.

He should be out doing whatever he wants and improving on his own terms as fitting to his persona and character.

I'd love to see him go on his own adventures and fight his own villains for awhile like what Sasuke did in Naruto Shippuden but unfortunately Toriyama won't do something like that cause it would take time away from Goku cause god knows he doesn't get enough already.

vegeta has beaten all the small fries, never the big fish.

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[jplaya2023]

People are upset that Vegeta got stabbed because he's their favourite character and they want to see him get the big W for once. That's absolutely fine to want.

I think what he got against Freeza in Super is as close to a big win as he'll get and you can thank Toei for that cause Toriyama went out of his way to make sure that Goku got every bit of spotlight possible while everyone else got little to nothing.

He should be out doing whatever he wants and improving on his own terms as fitting to his persona and character.

I'd love to see him go on his own adventures and fight his own villains for awhile like what Sasuke did in Naruto Shippuden but unfortunately Toriyama won't do something like that cause it would take time away from Goku cause god knows he doesn't get enough already.

vegeta has beaten all the small fries, never the big fish.

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vegeta "beat" an already worn out and tired frieza. Not to mention he let him blow up the planet. To me i don't consider that a win

[Rubens]

Honestly I wasn't expecting him to beat Black, instead I expected him to put up a good fight and "force" Black turn ssj rosé and then be defeated.

[FortuneSSJ]

Vegeta fanboys are always salty.
Vegeta beat Frost, Magetta and Cabba in the tournament and they were still bitching he lost against Hit, back then.

[sintzu]

vegeta "beat" an already worn out and tired frieza.

It's better than nothing and at least he didn't get beaten up by Goku first like he did in the movie.

Vegeta fanboys are always salty.

Some of them go overboard but I understand where they're coming from cause by now Vegeta and even Piccolo should've each gotten an arc where they're the hero at the end.

I even think we should get an arc or 2 set before the Buu arc that shows how Gohan and the Z fighters handled a threat without Goku.

[GodKaio-Ken]

During the U6 arc he got beat 3 of their fighters and fight Hit.

Unfortunately, the above goes unnoticed and all they want is for him to get a kill even though what he got in the RF arc was a lot better cause the alternative would've been him getting beaten up left and right by Freeza only to kill him after Goku had already gotten him down on his knees.

I forgot all about that, Vegeta fought 3 people in succession and people really expected him to just hand Hit his ass?
Such weird fans.

Well no the issue is he essentially one shots each of those guys as a SSJ. Then goes SSB and goes down on three hits which Goku starts out in base. Yes Vegeta has a decent all around life, but his character really is there to make Goku shine above all else which is the complaint. My personal preference is that Vegeta not be around at all and doing his own thing at her than being Gokus constant wingman.

Dragon Ball is more or less the story of Goku whether people like it or not. Yes there was consideration of thrusting Gohan into that role but all the way from DB to Z to GT to Super now everyone has either been an ally or adversary of Goku. Unless people want him to hang around as the asshole who only cares about power and defeating Goku this is what he is/will be within the DB universe.

Like someone said Vegeta has actually been treated much better than most in his position have been. His character has been given amazing progression throughout the series and I'd think Vegeta fans would be happy with that personally.

[omaro34]

Some of them go overboard but I understand where they're coming from cause by now Vegeta and even Piccolo should've each gotten an arc where they're the hero at the end.

I even think we should get an arc or 2 set before the Buu arc that shows how Gohan and the Z fighters handled a threat without Goku.

Come on bro. You know that's just wishful thinking.

[TheMikado]

Dragon Ball is more or less the story of Goku whether people like it or not. Yes there was consideration of thrusting Gohan into that role but all the way from DB to Z to GT to Super now everyone has either been an ally or adversary of Goku. Unless people want him to hang around as the asshole who only cares about power and defeating Goku this is what he is/will be within the DB universe.

Like someone said Vegeta has actually been treated much better than most in his position have been. His character has been given amazing progression throughout the series and I'd think Vegeta fans would be happy with that personally.

I have no problem with it being the Goku show. I just feel like Vegeta doesn't need to be the new Krillin and tag along on all of Goku's adventures. I'd be happy if he was treated like in GT. He's not part of the main adventure he just happens to be around when it's time for things to get serious.

[sintzu]

Come on bro. You know that's just wishful thinking.

I know and it's a shame the writers are to afraid to leave their space zone (Goku) cause the franchise would be able to go to completely new places if it started focusing completely on the other characters as well.

Dragon Ball is more or less the story of Goku whether people like it or not.

Naruto was the story of Naruto but that didn't stop Kishimoto from going above and beyond to make the other characters (especially Sasuke) just as important.

Gohan, Piccolo & Vegeta were handled well in Z but there's no denying that so much more could have been done with them and Super was a great place to do that but unfortunately Toriyama won't leave his Goku zone.