Who is Super really intended for?

[Cure Dragon 255]

Because I know for a fact it ain't for a raw, real-as-they-come hardcore fan like me because it does so much wrong even on a factual level.

No. Sorry to break it to you, but that's not how things work. Your preferences and opinions ARE NOT universal laws of the Dragon Ball universe. To meet them is not, never was and never will be a requirement. And you are not a template for a "a raw, real-as-they-come hardcore fan", whatever that even means.

Fix'd. But I love you for calling out this bullshit lol.

[Luso Saiyan]

Fix'd. But I love you for calling out this bullshit lol.

Yep, only noticed the mistake the day after I posted, but the edit option was gone by then.

[shadowfox87]

It's not for you OP, so just don't watch it. Problem solved.

[Hellspawn28]

It's for Japanese middle school and highschool kids.

It's for Elementary school kids too. The show airs on Sunday mornings and there is a big toyline for the series.

[SaiyanZ]

A new generation of children. I think the reason I've seen older fans around me not enjoy it as much is because it doesn't feel like a Dragon Ball show at all. An example is like Piccolo fighting Frost, where he spends the entire time charging up his Makankosappo as a means to win the fight, when he's fighting alone. That doesn't feel like a Dragon Ball moment/fight at all, because to me, its not something that Piccolo would do in a tournament match. There isn't ever a need to HAVE to show the characters use their signature attacks either. Same thing with the Vegeta vs Magetta fight, it just feels like forced fan-service rather than some genuine effort on the part of the staff to show something good. However, I feel like a lot of modern shonen do that, where they name every attack and have a character use it quite a lot. Those shonen, like One Piece and Bleach, tend to be popular among kids nowadays, so thats my reasoning for it anyway. Of course, fights/action is just one part of everything else.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

For both old fans that are at least still interested in some capacity in the franchise and to bring new fans into it, mostly the new one plus.

[namekiansaiyan]

Toei only makes the show to sell the thousands of different Goku toys they produce.

Toriyama just seems like he makes the story as simple as possible with few characters so Toei can hurry up and leave him alone.

If this show is just for little kids then they should forget about power levels and just let yamcha fight, as that would definitely excite me.

If they replace some of the most famous characters with the Pilaf Gang who are almost universivally regarded as not interesting then fans will criticise. In any entertainment medium, that simply does not work.

They should also not have the other characters appear if they are just going to do nothing.

When this show finishes, I think many people will look at how little of this shows potential was realised.

[Kakarotto92]

Theoretically it should be middle and high school kids, but stuff like Pilaf gang antics and Goku acting like freaking Spongebob and making poop and fart jokes seem something more targeted at kindergarten kids. I mean, I doubt any middle schooler nowadays finds Pilaf gang shtick even remotely funny. I know I wouldn't. I still remember being around 11 years old and getting bored to death watching GT's first arc because of its more light-hearted and goofy tone.

One of Dragon Ball's greatest strengths has always been its ability to appeal to all ages/generations and demographics. Hell, I myself am living proof of that, being only 4 years old when I first got into the series and 2 decades later, here I am, as fanatical as ever. Unfortunately with Super that doesn't seem to be the case anymore, nowadays Toei doesn't seem to give two shits if they end up neglecting to please the older generation of fans.

[VegettoEX]

Theoretically it should be middle and high school kids, but stuff like Pilaf gang antics and Goku acting like freaking Spongebob and making poop and fart jokes seem something more targeted at kindergarten kids. I mean, I doubt any middle schooler nowadays finds Pilaf gang shtick even remotely funny. I know I wouldn't. I still remember being around 11 years old and getting bored to death watching GT's first arc because of its more light-hearted and goofy tone.

One of Dragon Ball's greatest strengths has always been its ability to appeal to all ages/generations and demographics. Hell, I myself am living proof of that, being only 4 years old when I first got into the series and 2 decades later, here I am, as fanatical as ever. Unfortunately with Super that doesn't seem to be the case anymore, nowadays Toei doesn't seem to give two shits if they end up neglecting to please the older generation of fans.

They're doing precisely what you say they should do: appeal to older and younger fans. You've got your slapstick and grossout with Pilaf and some other characters, right alongside your oh nose so angsty future!!! arc.

This is, in fact, pretty much what the entire series has always done all along once it found its identity somewhere around 21st tournament / Red Ribbon.

[Shinomori]

There's no question this series is much more lighthearted than Z. I find the scene where Trunks fed Mai a senzu bean particularly funny because not only did they not show him with his lips on hers, but they had Goku go full idiot with his ramblings. That's why I said in the past I'm enjoying the show as a Dragon Ball fan, but Super leaves me wanting very much. Money wise, the creators couldn't have done a better job in appealing to both older fans who grew up with the show, and new fans in children.

[Hellspawn28]

The series was always made for kids. Yeah DBZ had blood, but Japan have different standers than what kids shows do in the US. I would imagine after Middle School, kids would move on to another anime or something else. I think people here just want a hardcore show for adults when that's not going to happen. The current story arc has a perfect tone with both serious and some humor throw into the mix. Goku acts like a idiot, but I always feel like Goku was never that smart to begin with.