Is it possible to make an Dragonball movie like Space Jam??

[precita]

That's the thing, a lot of people don't watch drama movies or indie movies. They watch big name Hollywood stuff.

People watched Star Wars Episode 7, not because the acting of Daisy Ridley was anything spectacular (although I did think she was decent in the role), its because it was Star Wars. Hell think of the big movies that came out this year alone: Deadpool, Batman/Superman, X-men, Captain America: Civil War, Star Trek, Suicide Squad, etc.....do you think any of them really had spectacular acting outside a handful of actors?

In terms of live-action I think stunt movies or people performing real life martial arts is the most impressive, such as in some classic Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan movies, and some powerful scenes between actors in terms of emotion, but other than that I'm pretty indifferent.

I mean there's only so many times I can see a woman burst into tears because her abusive husband is cheating on her or a man shoots himself in the head with a gun because he's a depressive. That stuff is for bored housewives or 50+ year olds.

[Kamiccolo9]

Cipher, I'm with you in spirit. I feel like if I get involved in this conversation, I'll get myself banned.

[Cipher]

precita, I'm with you in being unmoved by modern Hollywood. I won't defend a film on that list. But using them as fuel to dismiss the medium is the equivalent of, "All anime is cheaply made and full of fall-down gags, sweat bubbles and bulging forehead veins, and made to pander toward either shut-in otaku or toy-buying kids. The only reason people gravitate toward it is because it has an air of the exotic."

It's true of the worst of it, and maybe of certain fans, but not a knock against the strengths of animation as a medium or even the directorial and production trends unique to its development in Japan.

You don't look at a long-running medium to dismiss it as existing solely for convenience. You ask what about it has continued to draw even intelligent authors and audiences, including ones who enjoy or have worked in both for non-monetary reasons, what its strengths are, what it allows that no other format or medium does. Any other approach is so narrow-minded it doesn't deserve the time of day, let alone whatever small amount of server space it takes to express it on a forum.

Cipher, I'm with you in spirit. I feel like if I get involved in this conversation, I'll get myself banned.

I try my best, but it never seems to happen.

[huzaifa_ahmed]

I will accept this only if it becomes more of a Toriyama world than Dragon Ball alone, so that Arale (and Jaco) can also be on the team, Toribot is the announcer, and the big bad turns out to be a human (live action) dressed up as some big, foreboding DB style villain, only for them to unmask him (ala Scooby Doo) and it's Justin Chatwin.

trolololololol

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Just to make myself clear, I don't hate the live action medium. In fact I'm a huge fan of Quentin Tarantino. He is one of the few directors left in Hollywood who knows how to play with the camera and convey emotion through it with precision. There's not a single film of his which I didn't find myself liking.

Yes, I'll admit my exposure to live action films isn't much, so their might be some masterpieces which I'm not even aware of. Could you suggest some well directed movies Cipher?

[Cipher]

Just to make myself clear I don't hate the live action medium. In fact I'm a huge fan of Quentin Tarantino. He is one of the few directors left in Hollywood who knows how to play and convey emotion through camera with precision. There's not a single film of his which I didn't find myself liking.

Oh, sorry then. I really was going to leave well-enough alone when there was just one post dismissing live action in the thread, but then I saw a few more that seemed to be wholesale supporting it, and thought it was worth writing a response.

I like Tarantino a lot too. He can get a little repetitive or caught up in homages, but who cares? It's nice to see a director get the kinds of budgets and audience he does while still clearly following their fascinations, and he's able to use genre homages to actually make a statement about the medium or tell an emotional story in a way few can, Hollywood or not. I love Pulp Fiction, but Inglorious Basterds is my favorite of the bunch; I think it's beautiful and viscerally exciting from start to finish, probably the best executed of all the "movies about movies" he's done, and I think, a really, really good example of something that could only possible work in live action.

Yes, I'll admit my exposure to live action films isn't much, so their might be some masterpieces which I'm not even aware of. Could you suggest some well directed movies Cipher?

Yeah; I mean, any follow-up from this post is probably better directed to PM. This is with the caveat that I didn't study film and I can only offer a list of personal favorites, but: Dogtooth (in which everything is filmed like a Balthus painting, with oddly framed characters lounging at strange angles under harsh light), Lost in Translation (this is a personal favorite for acting and writing more than visuals; it manages to make English sound like a foreign language), 2001: A Space Odyssey (substitute anything by Kubrick; not a fringe pick), Weekend or Pierrot Le Fou/anything by Jean Luc-Godard (just google stills from his color movies; one of my favorite directors, and one whose work I've followed after the '60s, but I like pretty much everything in the French New Wave), Inherent Vice (one of the few times I've walked out of a movie in a theater and immediately thought "That was one of my favorite movies"; Inglourious Basterds was actually another), The Royal Tenenbaums (could be anything by Wes Anderson, but I think he leans into his own style a bit too hard sometimes, and this is my favorite), anything by the Cohen Brothers, though my weird pick for favorite out of their movies is Raising Arizona, pretty much anything by David Lynch; I need to set aside a recovery day any time I revisit Eraserhead.

And there's a tone of dyed-in-the-wool hard genre stuff I think is really well-directed, or interesting despite flaws, and would definitely only work in live action. Alien, Rosemary's Baby and Night of and Dawn of the Dead all sit just outside my top ten for completely different reasons. (I think the first two are nearly flawlessly executed, and the last two are effective despite, or because of, an almost total lack of planning; plus, I love politicized hard genre and horror.) I'm a big giant-monster fan, so the original Godzilla is one of my favorite movies, and I think Mothra vs. Godzilla has some beautifully framed scenes and is so sincere and urgent it's due for critical reappraisal. (Good luck, though, getting anyone in the West to approach anything in the genre as if it's deserving of a critical eye outside the original King Kong and Godzilla; there's a genuine bias surrounding it.)

There are a ton of movies I think have small, wonderful moments, or even Hollywood stuff that shows it could have been more interesting than it was; that the craft or ideas were there and maybe made it into a few clever shots. I love music videos and short films too; there's so much you can do with the medium. Just this once I wish there were an off-topic board to share other movies/directors/movements I didn't personally love, but think more people should be aware of, things that almost worked, popular stuff that's really much better than it normally gets credit for, etc.

And that's not to say the medium is than animation or anything; there are techniques and styles that only work in one or the other. Sometimes the simple idea that you're capturing real people is important to a movie working; other times the visuals may privilege animation. The next movie I want to see in theaters is Handmaiden (live action), but I'm bummed I just missed seeing Miss Hokusai (animated) too.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

Could you suggest some well directed movies Cipher?

I know this is aimed at Cipher, but I can't help but recommend you to watch The Truman Show. A very well directed film that cleverly uses different types of cameras (hidden cameras, fish-eyed lens cameras, security cameras) to create the idea that the protagonist is the star of a show that he is unaware of. It also stars Jim Carrey and he's wonderful in the film. I really feel that the film doesn't get enough credit. Definitely one of my favourites.

[Kid Buu]

2001: A Space Odyssey (substitute anything by Kubrick; not a fringe pick).

As much as I love it, I wouldn't recommend to someone just getting into film. Might scare them away, lol. Babysteps are needed.

I actually think horror is a good starting genre. Classics like Alien and Psycho are quite easy to watch.

There's also a lot of well-made animated films. For example, I am a big fan of Martin Rosen's 1978 film Watership Down.

[Esfír Dedragón]

I echo similar statements that Cipher has made.

It's rather unfortunate that a movie like Dragonball Evolution shattered the faith of many people hoping to see a decent adaptation of the franchise. I think it's a major reason why, at least when talking about Dragon Ball, some fans refuse to see a live-action anything relating to it if it's made by the big, bad Hollywood conglomerate.

Back on topic, I actually wanted for a long time a sequel to Who Framed Roger Rabbit? that focused on anime characters interacting with live-action humans. It would have been cool to see how Goku would have acted in our plane of existence.

[8000 Saiyan]

Just to make myself clear, I don't hate the live action medium. In fact I'm a huge fan of Quentin Tarantino. He is one of the few directors left in Hollywood who knows how to play with the camera and convey emotion through it with precision. There's not a single film of his which I didn't find myself liking.

Yes, I'll admit my exposure to live action films isn't much, so their might be some masterpieces which I'm not even aware of. Could you suggest some well directed movies Cipher?

If there's one thing I hate about Tarantino movies, it's his cameos. The guy can't act, unlike Scorsese.

[PelicanDynasty]

Getting back on the topic at hand, I think this concept would be hilarious. Just ignore how dumb it is, imagine Lebron posterizing Krillin. That would be an all time classic moment.

[TheMohawkAndroid]

Nothing will ever be Space Jam!

[Kanassa]

and I won't use Dinosaur King as the basis for my opinion on animation as a medium.

Oh god, the wave of nostalgia just exploded in my face. I'd forgotten about that crap years ago, does anyone else really remember that show? I still have the cards...

[DragonBallFoodie]

A hybrid of animation-live action would be interesting, I admit. And certainly possible.

I just don't know what kind of story would need the two worlds to be bridged. At least the Looney Tunes needed MJ because he was a basketball ace.

[Chuquita]

I think the closest we're gonna get is the upcoming baseball episode. (Minus any live action).

I mean, you've got one character who's played baseball professionally (Yamcha) and the rest of the team has little to no experience AND the threat of doom (possible death at Beerus' hands in this case) looms if they lose.

[Cipher]

and I won't use Dinosaur King as the basis for my opinion on animation as a medium.

Oh god, the wave of nostalgia just exploded in my face. I'd forgotten about that crap years ago, does anyone else really remember that show? I still have the cards...

I remember it because I first saw it on a study abroad in Japan, as whatever it was before it was localized, and was like, "This is bad."

[Kanassa]

and I won't use Dinosaur King as the basis for my opinion on animation as a medium.

Oh god, the wave of nostalgia just exploded in my face. I'd forgotten about that crap years ago, does anyone else really remember that show? I still have the cards...

I remember it because I first saw it on a study abroad in Japan, as whatever it was before it was localized, and was like, "This is bad."

I watched the english dub. I remember the theme song, it was that type of theme song you don't want people walking in on you listening to. Still watched it through to the end, because I was a dumb, dumb kid... Season 2 was weird.