So did Zeno..
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Definitely multiverse.
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Zeno erased the entire Future timeline, which contains 12 universe. This is more than a multiverse busting feat as spacetime is involved
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No, because the timeline before he did that is still accessible, and it's even still accessible after he did that (it's just a void though).Faisal Shourov wrote:Zeno erased the entire Future timeline, which contains 12 universe. This is more than a multiverse busting feat as spacetime is involved
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The timeline that Zeno erased? It's gone completely. If they try to go to stop Zeno it will create another timeline, not the one Zeno destroyed. You can't change the past in Dragon Ball. Also there is no time in voidPolyphase Avatron wrote:No, because the timeline before he did that is still accessible, and it's even still accessible after he did that (it's just a void though).Faisal Shourov wrote:Zeno erased the entire Future timeline, which contains 12 universe. This is more than a multiverse busting feat as spacetime is involved
Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
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But there is time there. We saw them arrive in the void in the time machine and time passed. Then Whis sent Trunks and Mai back to their own timeline with the intention of changing it by stopping Zamasu and creating a new timeline. So the timeline is still there, it's just that after a certain point in it, everything is destroyed.Faisal Shourov wrote:The timeline that Zeno erased? It's gone completely. If they try to go to stop Zeno it will create another timeline, not the one Zeno destroyed. You can't change the past in Dragon Ball. Also there is no time in voidPolyphase Avatron wrote:No, because the timeline before he did that is still accessible, and it's even still accessible after he did that (it's just a void though).Faisal Shourov wrote:Zeno erased the entire Future timeline, which contains 12 universe. This is more than a multiverse busting feat as spacetime is involved
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I know what Whis wanted, but that wouldn't work because if they went back in time trying to change anything it could create a time ring and new timeline.Polyphase Avatron wrote:Faisal Shourov wrote:
But there is time there. We saw them arrive in the void in the time machine and time passed. Then Whis sent Trunks and Mai back to their own timeline with the intention of changing it by stopping Zamasu and creating a new timeline. So the timeline is still there, it's just that after a certain point in it, everything is destroyed.
There is no time in void. Talking in void is a trope in fiction (also seen in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure for example) to show communication and pass information which would be otherwise impossible. As with other unscientific fictional scenario, it's a common plot device. But there's no time in void
Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
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From what I gathered he destroyed every universe in universe 7
Which would be 12 universes as well as the other world's as well
The fact that when Goku went back to the future Zeno is just there because he literally has no where to go
Which would be 12 universes as well as the other world's as well

The fact that when Goku went back to the future Zeno is just there because he literally has no where to go
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It isn't really clear from his wording.
Though even if he did only erase Universe 7, Zamasu and Black had apparently cleared out most sentient life in other universes as well. Or at least killed off their gods. That timeline was pretty thoroughly wrecked.
Beerus warns Whis that it's more trouble than it's worth, and will end up creating a new Time Ring. Whis counters that Beerus has already created a new Time Ring, so what does it matter?
The plan is to follow Trunks and Mai to a point in the "future" timeline before Zenou erases it, then introduce a series of changes that will avoid Black and Zamasu's rampage and lead to a splintered outcome. The original version of events, in which Zenou erases everything, will still be there on its own timeline. Trunks and Mai are knowingly creating a "different" world than the one they knew -- they'll be copies within it, and the original versions of everyone they knew really will remain dead -- but it's worth doing in the same way saving everyone in the main timeline was worth doing.
Though even if he did only erase Universe 7, Zamasu and Black had apparently cleared out most sentient life in other universes as well. Or at least killed off their gods. That timeline was pretty thoroughly wrecked.
That's exactly what's going to happen, though, and Whis says as much.Faisal Shourov wrote:I know what Whis wanted, but that wouldn't work because if they went back in time trying to change anything it could create a time ring and new timeline.
Beerus warns Whis that it's more trouble than it's worth, and will end up creating a new Time Ring. Whis counters that Beerus has already created a new Time Ring, so what does it matter?
The plan is to follow Trunks and Mai to a point in the "future" timeline before Zenou erases it, then introduce a series of changes that will avoid Black and Zamasu's rampage and lead to a splintered outcome. The original version of events, in which Zenou erases everything, will still be there on its own timeline. Trunks and Mai are knowingly creating a "different" world than the one they knew -- they'll be copies within it, and the original versions of everyone they knew really will remain dead -- but it's worth doing in the same way saving everyone in the main timeline was worth doing.
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Gowasu said that Zamasu was merging with the universe, so I assume Zeno destroyed the universe to kill him. He might have destroyed the other 11 universes but I'm not seeing any indication of that. Obviously the timeline itself was still intact as they could still travel to it.
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They didn't travel to any timeline, it was void. The timeline was erased by ZenoPolyphase Avatron wrote:Gowasu said that Zamasu was merging with the universe, so I assume Zeno destroyed the universe to kill him. He might have destroyed the other 11 universes but I'm not seeing any indication of that. Obviously the timeline itself was still intact as they could still travel to it.
Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
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They traveled to the void after he destroyed it, and then they traveled to the past of that same timeline before Zamasu killed the Kaioshin.Faisal Shourov wrote:They didn't travel to any timeline, it was void. The timeline was erased by ZenoPolyphase Avatron wrote:Gowasu said that Zamasu was merging with the universe, so I assume Zeno destroyed the universe to kill him. He might have destroyed the other 11 universes but I'm not seeing any indication of that. Obviously the timeline itself was still intact as they could still travel to it.
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The timeline still exist, but it look like she is "empty' and Zen'o destroy everything in it.
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That is indeed what happened.Will wrote:The timeline still exist, but it look like she is "empty' and Zen'o destroy everything in it.
The proof is Zeno not porting back to his realm.
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My understanding :
Zeno destroyed the multiverse which is different from destroying the timeline.
In the word "timeline" there is the concept of "time" in it.
If Zeno actually destroyed the timeline, it would have not only destroyed the multiverse in it, but also its "past version".
In other words, that timeline would be either filled with void throughout its lifespan ( so Future Trunks and Future Mai aren't going to find anything once they'll arrive there which is implied won't be the case ) or it would be innaccessible and its timering would have desappeared
( which isn't the case either as seen in the episode).
Since the multiverse still exists up to a certain point in time ( since it is going to be visited by Trunks and Mai ), as someone already pointed out, Zeno destroyed only the "future version" of the multiverse ( and the neutral space between it).
It may have destroyed the space-time as well according by the look of that strange void.
But that doesn't necessary mean there still aren't another version of time running within it.
Concept of "time" is linked with concept of "movement." Since Zeno, Goku and Trunks were moving there, time at least still existed until their desappearance.
All theses event gave us an interesting information about Zeno : he actually doesn't "transcend time" since he is splitted the same way the multiverse is, by time traveling. Otherwise, there would have been only one Zeno. The one who gave Goku the button would have appeared instead of another version of him.
And that mean that Zeno can't destroy a" timeline". The mere existence of Zeno is subordinated to his timeline :he can't destroy something he is into.
Now, the question is : is Toriyama going to create such an entity, who transcends time, contrary to Zeno ? I'm very doubtful about it since he would be likely above or at least equal to Zeno in power.
Zeno destroyed the multiverse which is different from destroying the timeline.
In the word "timeline" there is the concept of "time" in it.
If Zeno actually destroyed the timeline, it would have not only destroyed the multiverse in it, but also its "past version".
In other words, that timeline would be either filled with void throughout its lifespan ( so Future Trunks and Future Mai aren't going to find anything once they'll arrive there which is implied won't be the case ) or it would be innaccessible and its timering would have desappeared
( which isn't the case either as seen in the episode).
Since the multiverse still exists up to a certain point in time ( since it is going to be visited by Trunks and Mai ), as someone already pointed out, Zeno destroyed only the "future version" of the multiverse ( and the neutral space between it).
It may have destroyed the space-time as well according by the look of that strange void.
But that doesn't necessary mean there still aren't another version of time running within it.
Concept of "time" is linked with concept of "movement." Since Zeno, Goku and Trunks were moving there, time at least still existed until their desappearance.
All theses event gave us an interesting information about Zeno : he actually doesn't "transcend time" since he is splitted the same way the multiverse is, by time traveling. Otherwise, there would have been only one Zeno. The one who gave Goku the button would have appeared instead of another version of him.
And that mean that Zeno can't destroy a" timeline". The mere existence of Zeno is subordinated to his timeline :he can't destroy something he is into.
Now, the question is : is Toriyama going to create such an entity, who transcends time, contrary to Zeno ? I'm very doubtful about it since he would be likely above or at least equal to Zeno in power.
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Hold up...
I remember watching one DBZ episode that Grand Kaio of Universe 7 explaining to Goku and Paikuhan that once someone dies again, he/she gets erased from existence if that's the case from Zeno's situation to Zamasu which he is already dea by Mirai Trunks' sword.
I remember watching one DBZ episode that Grand Kaio of Universe 7 explaining to Goku and Paikuhan that once someone dies again, he/she gets erased from existence if that's the case from Zeno's situation to Zamasu which he is already dea by Mirai Trunks' sword.
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Also, would have Zeno also wiped out the souls of Other World in all those 12 Future Universes? Those souls would have vanished from existence then? 

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Yes, the time ring is another valid argument. He may've wiped a single universe though.gofishus wrote:Nope. The Time ring is still there representing that timeline. Plus Goku and Trunks traveled there, which wouldnt be possible if it didnt existLord Beerus wrote:Zeno destroyed Future Trunks' entire timeline. There are basically now three timelines left, instead of four.
Zeno may end up having a boss, cause two of them dont make any sense, he shouldn't be a "time-being".
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Yes. All the people in Future Trunks timeline along with all its people were erased from existence. They're deader than dead.Angelus wrote:Also, would have Zeno also wiped out the souls of Other World in all those 12 Future Universes? Those souls would have vanished from existence then?
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Nope. the TIME RING representing that timeline still existsFaisal Shourov wrote:They didn't travel to any timeline, it was void. The timeline was erased by ZenoPolyphase Avatron wrote:Gowasu said that Zamasu was merging with the universe, so I assume Zeno destroyed the universe to kill him. He might have destroyed the other 11 universes but I'm not seeing any indication of that. Obviously the timeline itself was still intact as they could still travel to it.
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More specifically, the timeline still exists, but there's nothing in it.gofishus wrote:
Nope. the TIME RING representing that timeline still exists
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.