Was Black the "Evil Goku" you wanted?

[Cetra]

Not really, but not in a bad way at all. I mean, Goku Black was an insanely entertaining villain, but it was by his own merit. He really wasn't an actual "Evil Goku" to even begin with. He was just an evil guys soul using Goku's body as a vessel.

I still think the closest we've gotten to an "Evil Goku" is Perfect Cell. I totally believe that if Goku became casually evil he would totally act like Perfect Cell. I mean, throwing a tournament to test his new found strength against the strongest opponents instead of taking the easy route and just blowing up the planet? C'mon, that's totally a thing Goku would do.

The closest evil Goku we ever got was Goku being ready to kill East Kaioushin, an innocent guy.

[HeroR]

Not really, but not in a bad way at all. I mean, Goku Black was an insanely entertaining villain, but it was by his own merit. He really wasn't an actual "Evil Goku" to even begin with. He was just an evil guys soul using Goku's body as a vessel.

I still think the closest we've gotten to an "Evil Goku" is Perfect Cell. I totally believe that if Goku became casually evil he would totally act like Perfect Cell. I mean, throwing a tournament to test his new found strength against the strongest opponents instead of taking the easy route and just blowing up the planet? C'mon, that's totally a thing Goku would do.

I disagree. Cell was more like Vegeta than Goku. Especially after he acted like a little bitch after Gohan beat him up. Cell was also going to terrorized the planet after he won, something Goku wouldn't do. He would nuke it and move on since Goku isn't interested in stepping on bugs. Goku would most likely act closer to Beerus if he was 'evil', who is more apathetic than evil.

[Lord Beerus]

Not really, but not in a bad way at all. I mean, Goku Black was an insanely entertaining villain, but it was by his own merit. He really wasn't an actual "Evil Goku" to even begin with. He was just an evil guys soul using Goku's body as a vessel.

I still think the closest we've gotten to an "Evil Goku" is Perfect Cell. I totally believe that if Goku became casually evil he would totally act like Perfect Cell. I mean, throwing a tournament to test his new found strength against the strongest opponents instead of taking the easy route and just blowing up the planet? C'mon, that's totally a thing Goku would do.

The closest evil Goku we ever got was Goku being ready to kill East Kaioushin, an innocent guy.

He was totally bluffing though.

[Lord Beerus]

Not really, but not in a bad way at all. I mean, Goku Black was an insanely entertaining villain, but it was by his own merit. He really wasn't an actual "Evil Goku" to even begin with. He was just an evil guys soul using Goku's body as a vessel.

I still think the closest we've gotten to an "Evil Goku" is Perfect Cell. I totally believe that if Goku became casually evil he would totally act like Perfect Cell. I mean, throwing a tournament to test his new found strength against the strongest opponents instead of taking the easy route and just blowing up the planet? C'mon, that's totally a thing Goku would do.

I disagree. Cell was more like Vegeta than Goku. Especially after he acted like a little bitch after Gohan beat him up. Cell was also going to terrorized the planet after he won, something Goku wouldn't do. He would nuke it and move on since Goku isn't interested in stepping on bugs. Goku would most likely act closer to Beerus if he was 'evil', who is more apathetic than evil.

If Cell was more like Vegeta, he wouldn't have had the tournament to even begin with. He would have just went ahead and terrorised everyone on Earth, before blowing up the planet, moving on to the next one and repeating the process.

[HeroR]

If Cell was more like Vegeta, he wouldn't have had the tournament to even begin with. He would have just went ahead and terrorised everyone on Earth, before blowing up the planet, moving on to the next one and repeating the process.

Cell only wanted the tournament to show off and test his body, which is very Vegeta. The very reason why Vegeta got tricked into letting Cell become perfect was because he wanted a strong opponent to test his new Super Saiyan form on before he used it to beat up Goku.

[Lord Beerus]

If Cell was more like Vegeta, he wouldn't have had the tournament to even begin with. He would have just went ahead and terrorised everyone on Earth, before blowing up the planet, moving on to the next one and repeating the process.

Cell only wanted the tournament to show off and test his body, which is very Vegeta. The very reason why Vegeta got tricked into letting Cell become perfect was because he wanted a strong opponent to test his new Super Saiyan form on before he used it to beat up Goku.

Fair point. But I'd also notch this up as Vegeta becoming far less intelligent in battle by this. Back on Namek and when he debuted in the Saiyan arc, he was way more pragmatic in battle and would often take the opportunity immediately to kill an opponent when given the chance.

[HeroR]

Fair point. But I'd also notch this up as Vegeta becoming far less intelligent in battle by this. Back on Namek and when he debuted in the Saiyan arc, he was way more pragmatic in battle and would often take the opportunity immediately to kill an opponent when given the chance.

So was Cell, who used sneak attacks and didn't play around when he was imperfect. You got in his way, he took you down quick like he did Piccolo and tried to do against 16. Cell then became progressively dumber as he became more perfect. Just like a certain Saiyan prince.

[DragonBallFoodie]

No, he wasn't.

Cell, Mira and Turles are halfway there, but they still aren't a "Goku's evil version". The only way we would get to see "evil" Goku it would be if he doesn't hit his head.

This, and maybe a version where he accepted Lord Beerus's offer to become a god of destruction.

[dbs fanboy]

Gokû Black was a very entertaining villain, but he wasn't the Evil Gokû I had hoped for. I wanted a Gokû that was warped by a seemingly endless string of losses. I had a whole head canon where he came from a world where he was the only survivor. He and his friends had defeated a bad guy at the cost of the loss of everyone's lives and the earth's natural resources with the exception of Gokû, who was given the time ring by dubious sources and used it to start hoping timelines to try and find one where everyone was still alive and could help him restore his world, but he ran into hundreds and thousands of worlds that didn't have anything like that first that he started to fear he'd been tricked and later he became depressed and finally succumbed to madness.

Wait a damn minute:
-Loses everyone. Checked
-Travels to another timeline. Checked

Could this future Trunks fate? he may get mad with all this shit.

[Fionordequester]

Actually, Black IS the "Evil Goku" I always wanted...because I never wanted one to begin with. I typically find "evil clone" villains to be really boring, so if you're doing to do one, I'd prefer for them to be unique in some way. They need something to set them apart ASIDE from just "I'm this guy, but evil".

And boy howdy did Black deliver!

[TheUltimateNinja]

The scene where he stabs Vegeta alone puts him in my top 5 favorite characters.

[Faisal Shourov]

Black is not even Goku, so no

[Lord Frieza]

I would say yes and that in part he is Goku. If Zamasu had just switched bodies with Goku then I would agree with others who say Black is just another Ginyu but he's not.

Black himself pointed that Goku's body is effecting him and we has seen a clear distinction between Goku Black and Zamasu. Black has Zamasu's core values but like Goku, Black loves fighting, loves growing stronger. testing his strength against the strong and will even hold back so he doesn't end the fight too quickly. Black's personality is almost a fusion of Goku and Zamasu, not just a simple body swap.

Black is by far the best evil Goku we were going to get because the only other option is him literally being like Turles (who is what Goku would have been like) or a more generic Goku is being controlled by "insert who/what here". Black provided us with the best of both. A Goku who is evil but with reason to act differently and be more interesting then a generic saiyan or just someone else joyriding Goku's body.

[HeroR]

I would say yes and that in part he is Goku. If Zamasu had just switched bodies with Goku then I would agree with others who say Black is just another Ginyu but he's not.

Black himself pointed that Goku's body is effecting him and we has seen a clear distinction between Goku Black and Zamasu. Black has Zamasu's core values but like Goku, Black loves fighting, loves growing stronger. testing his strength against the strong and will even hold back so he doesn't end the fight too quickly. Black's personality is almost a fusion of Goku and Zamasu, not just a simple body swap.

Black is by far the best evil Goku we were going to get because the only other option is him literally being like Turles (who is what Goku would have been like) or a more generic Goku is being controlled by "insert who/what here". Black provided us with the best of both. A Goku who is evil but with reason to act differently and be more interesting then a generic saiyan or just someone else joyriding Goku's body.

Turles is Toei's idea of what Goku would be like as a Saiyan. And he wasn't even good at it since Turles is just like Vegeta except he eats fruit.

[Lord Frieza]

I would say yes and that in part he is Goku. If Zamasu had just switched bodies with Goku then I would agree with others who say Black is just another Ginyu but he's not.

Black himself pointed that Goku's body is effecting him and we has seen a clear distinction between Goku Black and Zamasu. Black has Zamasu's core values but like Goku, Black loves fighting, loves growing stronger. testing his strength against the strong and will even hold back so he doesn't end the fight too quickly. Black's personality is almost a fusion of Goku and Zamasu, not just a simple body swap.

Black is by far the best evil Goku we were going to get because the only other option is him literally being like Turles (who is what Goku would have been like) or a more generic Goku is being controlled by "insert who/what here". Black provided us with the best of both. A Goku who is evil but with reason to act differently and be more interesting then a generic saiyan or just someone else joyriding Goku's body.

Turles is Toei's idea of what Goku would be like as a Saiyan. And he wasn't even good at it since Turles is just like Vegeta except he eats fruit.

Well then Just like Raditz or Nappa or old Vegeta. There really is not a big difference in overall personality between them all and Turles so Toei's interpretation was more then justified and ,while not cannon, very likely accurate.

[Doctor.]

Not really, no. Black is a great character but my idea of an evil Goku would be our Goku met with unforunate circumstances which would sway him to the the position of the antagonist or make him go evil, even. Obviously though, this would be extremely hard to do without ruining Goku's character and I don't trust Toriyama or Toei to execute such a concept correctly.

[HeroR]

Not really, no. Black is a great character but my idea of an evil Goku would be our Goku met with unforunate circumstances which would sway him to the the position of the antagonist or make him go evil, even. Obviously though, this would be extremely hard to do without ruining Goku's character and I don't trust Toriyama or Toei to execute such a concept correctly.

Given how Goku is, he wouldn't turn evil under any condition unless he was forced into it. As Goku's personality stands, the closest to evil he will ever get is Beerus, morally apathetic and just to fight stuff or beserk Gohan from the Cell Games.

[Lord Frieza]

The big problem I personally see with trying to do "Evil Goku" is...he'll either a generic saiyan, Cell, Broly or Buu. Can you see the problem their? Its already been done.

Trying to make Goku go evil hits gigantic bump because of Goku's personality. The four options I just mentioned are pretty much the the only ways to go and I would even say Goku becoming like Cell would almost be character breaking because Goku is not as generally intelligent as Cell. To make Goku like Cell, Frieza or Black you would have to fundamentally alter Goku's entire character at which point he will stop being Goku anyway.

And thus we reach the real issue. Dragon Ball as already done all the ideas you could do with an Evil Goku with other characters. How can you repackage any of that without it feeling generic or "done"?

Black was literally the only door they had left, a villain who takes over Goku's body but ironically being influence by the very body he stole.

[Doctor.]

Not really, no. Black is a great character but my idea of an evil Goku would be our Goku met with unforunate circumstances which would sway him to the the position of the antagonist or make him go evil, even. Obviously though, this would be extremely hard to do without ruining Goku's character and I don't trust Toriyama or Toei to execute such a concept correctly.

Given how Goku is, he wouldn't turn evil under any condition unless he was forced into it. As Goku's personality stands, the closest to evil he will ever get is Beerus, morally apathetic and just to fight stuff or beserk Gohan from the Cell Games.

Goku can turn evil. Goku can do anything. It's up to the writers to make it believable. That's also why I said he could be an antagonist. He doesn't necessarily need to be evil to be an antagonist.

[ekrolo2]

Goku can turn evil. Goku can do anything. It's up to the writers to make it believable. That's also why I said he could be an antagonist. He doesn't necessarily need to be evil to be an antagonist.

The most plausible way to go about it is to do what Super implied with Beerus: he gets monumentally bored with nothing to challenge him so he starts going around, stirring trouble in hopes of meeting a strong opponent and getting progressively more frustrated as he can't find anyone to fill these shoes. I'd even say a messed up version of Oob would work great in this scenario, someone Goku feels a lot of potential in and who's life he destroys so he can inspire this individual to train as hard as possible to fight him some day.