The Important Message Behind Vegeta's Inferiority

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It also shows your future not defined by your roots.

Goku is the born loser while Vegeta is the prodigy but Goku is the more genuine hard worker so he wins out.

I don't know if Goku is the harder worker than Vegeta. Even though Vegeta is a prodigy this guy trains every chance he gets. Always in the gravity room, then he found solitude in space when he became a Super Saiyan, Vegeta never gives up on surpassing Goku.

Now Goku probably utilizes his,training better to achieve maximum results, but I don't think he wants it more than Vegeta.

Emphasis on GENUINE hard worker, not harder worker. Vegeta tried to apply "hard work" into his training but it was basically just torturing his body while Goku kept aware of his limits and knew when to just chill.

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I think that's why I don't like the idea of him being Goku's equal or even his superior, like some parts of Super seem to imply. It completely ruins this message.

Yes, sure, you could say that Vegeta finally learnt why Goku was always better, and now he's training and getting stronger with the same, healthier mindset, but that just strips him of all of the character flaws he had in Z.

He's learnt all his lessons, and there's nowhere else for him to go.

Wouldn't that ruin the message ? if he didn't get stronger after aknowledging his flaws then that would mean he's still doing something wrong.

The point of character development is for them to get rid of their flaws and evolve into better characters.

He has been developing but not as much as before which is why I think Super should've introduced a completely new hero to develop from scratch alongside Goku and Vegeta.

We do have that hero, Beerus. I don't see a problem with a character not developing though. If they're interesting, I don't care if they don't change.

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Let's give Karin some credit too. The morals he taught Goku went hand in hand with Roshi's and were just as vital to Goku's development into a warrior.

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Goku's hard working attitude was great before Super inferred Vegeta actually works harder than Goku. Also that horrible Episode of Bardock special which implies now that Goku isn't great due to hard work but because he inherited his father's special genes.

It reminds me when Naruto managed to dick up the Hard Work Vs. Genius theme; it implied Neji, the natural born genius, was outdone by Naruto, the hardworker. Undermined ever so slightly by the fact he has a demon fox power up exclusive to himself, he inheritted his mother's huge chakra pool due to the genetics and he's the reincarnation of one of the two most powerful ninjas throughout history.

Obviously Goku's no where near as bad as that, but the Episode of Bardock did manage to retroactively spoil this aspect of the show for me.

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Goku's hard working attitude was great before Super inferred Vegeta actually works harder than Goku. Also that horrible Episode of Bardock special which implies now that Goku isn't great due to hard work but because he inherited his father's special genes.

It reminds me when Naruto managed to dick up the Hard Work Vs. Genius theme; it implied Neji, the natural born genius, was outdone by Naruto, the hardworker. Undermined ever so slightly by the fact he has a demon fox power up exclusive to himself, he inheritted his mother's huge chakra pool due to the genetics and he's the reincarnation of one of the two most powerful ninjas throughout history.

Obviously Goku's no where near as bad as that, but the Episode of Bardock did manage to retroactively spoil this aspect of the show for me.

Bardock was low-level scum himself. This just means he also represents the theme of overcoming your limitations, and since Goku was conceived before his father's transformation, he obviously didn't inherit any special genes.

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That horrible Episode of Bardock special which implies now that Goku isn't great due to hard work but because he inherited his father's special genes.

That wasn't written during the story's original run so it doesn't change my view on Goku's character.

[Attitudefan]

Vegeta can get women taller than him. Short guys with incredible personalities can win anyone over

Bulma is 165cm (5'5") and Vegeta is 164cm (5'4.5") just for reference. If Bulma wears heels, she's massive compared to Vegeta! (Sourced from Super Exciting Guide: Character Volume)

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It also shows your future not defined by your roots.

Goku is the born loser while Vegeta is the prodigy but Goku is the more genuine hard worker so he wins out.

I think the message it not about how hard you train. It's about how smart you approach getting stronger.

This.

We saw the difference in their approaches when they were in the ROSAT during the cell games.

While Goku and Gohan worked their butts off too, their method seemed to be a much smarter approach than Vegeta and Trunks.

Work smarter not harder!

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Work smarter not harder is applicable in real life as well. I appreciated that bit of cleverness, for lack of a better term, on Toriyama's part. It also says something about Vegeta that he doesn't copy Goku's training method in spite of its proven benefits.