How important is every fighter on team Universe 7?

[namekiansaiyan]

Majority of people will have
1. Goku
2. Vegeta
3/4/5. Piccolo/Buu/Gohan
6/7. Android 17/18
8/9. Krillin/Tien
10. Roshi

Most will say that power is the only important thing in the tournament, so I would like to know how Universe 7 will win if Goku loses, especially as many people seem to think that this is a simple knockout tournament?

If some people say it is because Goku will not lose, then what is the point of having people like Roshi, Tien and Krillin participate?

I can't think of any good reasonable answers to these questions so that us why I think it will not all be about power and a system where you can lose a match but still be in the tournament and help you team later on.

[Kagari]

No reason to argue with this guy. All he does on this forum is blindly hate on Gohan.

At least I give reasons while others just say I don't like a character.

Anyway that has nothing to do with this discussion.

Give me some reasons why Gohan should be number 3 like the others are saying.

He's not wrong though. You were the one telling people they should forget about him in a very public thread. As for why he should be near Goku and Vegeta in the rankings? He's still the third strongest on the team, for one. And two, he seems to have come pretty far since we last saw him in the Resurrection F arc if these past several episodes mean anything. Certainly, even in the promotional art for the new arc he doesn't look as weak as he did back then. We'll find out how he's progressed soon enough.

[namekiansaiyan]

No reason to argue with this guy. All he does on this forum is blindly hate on Gohan.

At least I give reasons while others just say I don't like a character.

Anyway that has nothing to do with this discussion.

Give me some reasons why Gohan should be number 3 like the others are saying.

He's not wrong though. You were the one telling people they should forget about him in a very public thread. As for why he should be near Goku and Vegeta in the rankings? He's still the third strongest on the team, for one. And two, he seems to have come pretty far since we last saw him in the Resurrection F arc if these past several episodes mean anything. Certainly, even in the promotional art for the new arc he doesn't look as weak as he did back then. We'll find out how he's progressed soon enough.

The last few episodes were him just making a movie. The krillin episodes means more.

My rankings are not 100% about as we do not know the other fighters.

If you was in charge of team Universe 7 would you actually trust Gohan to get you a win when needed above some of the others you would tank below him?

[incarnati0n]

At least I give reasons while others just say I don't like a character.

Anyway that has nothing to do with this discussion.

Give me some reasons why Gohan should be number 3 like the others are saying.

He's not wrong though. You were the one telling people they should forget about him in a very public thread. As for why he should be near Goku and Vegeta in the rankings? He's still the third strongest on the team, for one. And two, he seems to have come pretty far since we last saw him in the Resurrection F arc if these past several episodes mean anything. Certainly, even in the promotional art for the new arc he doesn't look as weak as he did back then. We'll find out how he's progressed soon enough.

The last few episodes were him just making a movie. The krillin episodes means more.

My rankings are not 100% about as we do not know the other fighters.

If you was in charge of team Universe 7 would you actually trust Gohan to get you a win when needed above some of the others you would tank below him?

If you go by the metric of who actually gets the job done. Well, Gohan actually got it done in the past so I guess by that metric he actually is above everyone but Goku.

[TheMathemagician]

He's not wrong though. You were the one telling people they should forget about him in a very public thread. As for why he should be near Goku and Vegeta in the rankings? He's still the third strongest on the team, for one. And two, he seems to have come pretty far since we last saw him in the Resurrection F arc if these past several episodes mean anything. Certainly, even in the promotional art for the new arc he doesn't look as weak as he did back then. We'll find out how he's progressed soon enough.

The last few episodes were him just making a movie. The krillin episodes means more.

My rankings are not 100% about as we do not know the other fighters.

If you was in charge of team Universe 7 would you actually trust Gohan to get you a win when needed above some of the others you would tank below him?

If you go by the metric of who actually gets the job done. Well, Gohan actually got it done in the past so I guess by that metric he actually is above everyone but Goku.

To be fair, Gohan caused his own father's death even when Goku told him to just finish the job. He only got the job done after screwing up. Though at the same time, technically yes, Gohan is the only other person to get the job done against a major antagonist. But Goku is really the only one I'd put my faith in when fighting a major antagonist.

[Doctor.]

Majority of people will have
1. Goku
2. Vegeta
3/4/5. Piccolo/Buu/Gohan
6/7. Android 17/18
8/9. Krillin/Tien
10. Roshi

Most will say that power is the only important thing in the tournament, so I would like to know how Universe 7 will win if Goku loses, especially as many people seem to think that this is a simple knockout tournament?

If some people say it is because Goku will not lose, then what is the point of having people like Roshi, Tien and Krillin participate?

I can't think of any good reasonable answers to these questions so that us why I think it will not all be about power and a system where you can lose a match but still be in the tournament and help you team later on.

The promo material for the arc mentions combo moves between 18, 17 and Kuririn, so I imagine teamwork will play a big part.

[namekiansaiyan]

The last few episodes were him just making a movie. The krillin episodes means more.

My rankings are not 100% about as we do not know the other fighters.

If you was in charge of team Universe 7 would you actually trust Gohan to get you a win when needed above some of the others you would tank below him?

If you go by the metric of who actually gets the job done. Well, Gohan actually got it done in the past so I guess by that metric he actually is above everyone but Goku.

To be fair, Gohan caused his own father's death even when Goku told him to just finish the job. He only got the job done after screwing up. Though at the same time, technically yes, Gohan is the only other person to get the job done against a major antagonist. But Goku is really the only one I'd put my faith in when fighting a major antagonist.

Every opponent in the tournament essentiallyis a villain simply becuase they are trying to blow your universe up.

A tournament fight is completely different to any other fight as you do not have time to mess around or any help from others unless it is a team battle.

Majority of people will have
1. Goku
2. Vegeta
3/4/5. Piccolo/Buu/Gohan
6/7. Android 17/18
8/9. Krillin/Tien
10. Roshi

Most will say that power is the only important thing in the tournament, so I would like to know how Universe 7 will win if Goku loses, especially as many people seem to think that this is a simple knockout tournament?

If some people say it is because Goku will not lose, then what is the point of having people like Roshi, Tien and Krillin participate?

I can't think of any good reasonable answers to these questions so that us why I think it will not all be about power and a system where you can lose a match but still be in the tournament and help you team later on.

The promo material for the arc mentions combo moves between 18, 17 and Kuririn, so I imagine teamwork will play a big part.

That is also part of my point as we already have partial comfirmation that it will not only be about power as they will be using combo moves.

[Draconic]

If we do get three way battles, or at least something like that, Kame-Sennin coaching Buu and Gohan trough the fight would be amazing, since the two are the least skilled warriors, but at the same time the ones with the most potential. Who best to bring that out than the good old master? He always shined in tournaments with these type of character moments. Certainly would justify his inclusion for me.

[Beyond]

If we do get three way battles, or at least something like that, Kame-Sennin coaching Buu and Gohan trough the fight would be amazing, since the two are the least skilled warriors, but at the same time the ones with the most potential. Who best to bring that out than the good old master? He always shined in tournaments with these type of character moments. Certainly would justify his inclusion for me.

I don't think Gohan is the least skilled on the team. I imagine he has more skill than the andriods. If Gohan is training with Piccolo then the way I see it is Gohan's skill level stat goes up and piccolo's power level stat goes up. In and ideal world Gohan would probably be just behind Piccolo in skill now, and Piccolo would be only 1 or 2 tiers below Gohan. Also there ability to work as a team would be at a peak. Gohan could potentially be the 4th or 5th most skilled now behind only Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Tien.

[TheMathemagician]

If we do get three way battles, or at least something like that, Kame-Sennin coaching Buu and Gohan trough the fight would be amazing, since the two are the least skilled warriors, but at the same time the ones with the most potential. Who best to bring that out than the good old master? He always shined in tournaments with these type of character moments. Certainly would justify his inclusion for me.

I don't think Gohan is the least skilled on the team. I imagine he has more skill than the andriods. If Gohan is training with Piccolo then the way I see it is Gohan's skill level stat goes up and piccolo's power level stat goes up. In and ideal world Gohan would probably be just behind Piccolo in skill now, and Piccolo would be only 1 or 2 tiers below Gohan. Also there ability to work as a team would be at a peak. Gohan could potentially be the 4th or 5th most skilled now behind only Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Tien.

True enough. Honestly, if a large portion of this tournament's format is tag teams, I'm just really hoping Goku and Vegeta aren't paired together. I'd rather see Vegeta and Gohan paired, or Goku and Piccolo paired than that.

[sintzu]

Neither Gohan or Piccolo are close in power to Mr. Buu and it's not even close.

Buu lost most of his power when he separated with Gray Buu.

[Lord Beerus]

I still have no real idea how this tournament will be structured for all the contestants to fight. But if I'm being brutally honesty, it's going to be boil down to Goku and/or Vegeta, with Gohan showing off how impressive another universe is as he loses in his second or third fight, Piccolo losing in his second or frst battle, so bullshit will happen again with Majin Boo where he won't fight, 17 being the dark horse and performing the best, 18 losing valiantly in her first match and Krillin and Roshi jobbing hard first time round.

[sintzu]

If I'm being brutally honesty, it's going to be boil down to Goku and/or Vegeta.

We already got a funny ending for the U6 tournament so hopefully it won't happen again and it really does end on Goku and/or Vegeta winning the final fight.

[Kagari]

I still have no real idea how this tournament will be structured for all the contestants to fight. But if I'm being brutally honesty, it's going to be boil down to Goku and/or Vegeta, with Gohan showing off how impressive another universe is as he loses in his second or third fight, Piccolo losing in his second or frst battle, so bullshit will happen again with Majin Boo where he won't fight, 17 being the dark horse and performing the best, 18 losing valiantly in her first match and Krillin and Roshi jobbing hard first time round.

After the outcome of the last arc I wouldn't be so sure.

[TheMathemagician]

I still have no real idea how this tournament will be structured for all the contestants to fight. But if I'm being brutally honesty, it's going to be boil down to Goku and/or Vegeta, with Gohan showing off how impressive another universe is as he loses in his second or third fight, Piccolo losing in his second or frst battle, so bullshit will happen again with Majin Boo where he won't fight, 17 being the dark horse and performing the best, 18 losing valiantly in her first match and Krillin and Roshi jobbing hard first time round.

After the outcome of the last arc I wouldn't be so sure.

Rarely anything in Super so far has ended with Goku and or Vegeta defeating the main antagonist, so I agree. Chances are they won't be the ones having to finish things up. Heck for all we know, this saga could end with Beerus needing to fight another God to keep his universe alive. With that said, it doesn't rule Goku/Vegeta finishing things up out.

[pacz360]

I still have no real idea how this tournament will be structured for all the contestants to fight. But if I'm being brutally honesty, it's going to be boil down to Goku and/or Vegeta, with Gohan showing off how impressive another universe is as he loses in his second or third fight, Piccolo losing in his second or frst battle, so bullshit will happen again with Majin Boo where he won't fight, 17 being the dark horse and performing the best, 18 losing valiantly in her first match and Krillin and Roshi jobbing hard first time round.

After the outcome of the last arc I wouldn't be so sure.

Exactly look at the arcs in super
Bog: goku failed to defeat beerus where beerus was holding back
Rof: goku and vegeta failed to kill freeza the first time and needed whis to rewind time to prevent earth to get blown up again.
U6: vegeta got stomped by hit and goku needed ssjb kkx10 to compete with him and even then admitted he would've lost to him despite the latter restricted from using his killing techniques.
Zamasu arc: literally needed the god of the verse to put down giygamasu for good despite the multiple chances to beat the duo before they fuse.
Goku and vegeta track record of beating the main baddy in super is pretty poor really.

[TheMathemagician]

I still have no real idea how this tournament will be structured for all the contestants to fight. But if I'm being brutally honesty, it's going to be boil down to Goku and/or Vegeta, with Gohan showing off how impressive another universe is as he loses in his second or third fight, Piccolo losing in his second or frst battle, so bullshit will happen again with Majin Boo where he won't fight, 17 being the dark horse and performing the best, 18 losing valiantly in her first match and Krillin and Roshi jobbing hard first time round.

After the outcome of the last arc I wouldn't be so sure.

Exactly look at the arcs in super
Bog: goku failed to defeat beerus where beerus was holding back
Rof: goku and vegeta failed to kill freeza the first time and needed whis to rewind time to prevent earth to get blown up again.
U6: vegeta got stomped by hit and goku needed ssjb kkx10 to compete with him and even then admitted he would've lost to him despite the latter restricted from using his killing techniques.
Zamasu arc: literally needed the god of the verse to put down giygamasu for good despite the multiple chances to beat the duo before they fuse.
Goku and vegeta track record of beating the main baddy in super is pretty poor really.

Goku's record of beating main antagonists after the 23rd tournament hasn't been all that good to begin with. In Z, he went 50% on beating the main antagonists, as Gohan beat the other two.

[namekiansaiyan]

If I'm being brutally honesty, it's going to be boil down to Goku and/or Vegeta.

We already got a funny ending for the U6 tournament so hopefully it won't happen again and it really does end on Goku and/or Vegeta winning the final fight.

We can all be almost 100% that Vegeta will not win the final battle by himself.

This tournament has to be a Universe knockout and not singles knockout.

[HeroR]

Goku's record of beating main antagonists after the 23rd tournament hasn't been all that good to begin with. In Z, he went 50% on beating the main antagonists, as Gohan beat the other two.

Both of Gohan's victories were due to teamwork. He didn't beat Vegeta by himself and he needed help to beat Cell, first by Goku encouraging him after he gave up and then Vegeta distracting Cell.

Goku had insisted in every major win in Z, with Freeza being an outright win after he went Super Saiyan.

Exactly look at the arcs in super
Bog: goku failed to defeat beerus where beerus was holding back
Rof: goku and vegeta failed to kill freeza the first time and needed whis to rewind time to prevent earth to get blown up again.
U6: vegeta got stomped by hit and goku needed ssjb kkx10 to compete with him and even then admitted he would've lost to him despite the latter restricted from using his killing techniques.
Zamasu arc: literally needed the god of the verse to put down giygamasu for good despite the multiple chances to beat the duo before they fuse.
Goku and vegeta track record of beating the main baddy in super is pretty poor really.

That isn't what Goku said. He said he would have lost to Hit because Beerus wasted his time after he asked for all the rules to be dropped. Before then, Goku was sure he could win even with Hit's killing technique. And Goku technically beat Freeza. Then Freeze cheated, so Goku cheated back. So, it comes out even.

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I don't think Gohan is the least skilled on the team. I imagine he has more skill than the andriods. If Gohan is training with Piccolo then the way I see it is Gohan's skill level stat goes up and piccolo's power level stat goes up. In and ideal world Gohan would probably be just behind Piccolo in skill now, and Piccolo would be only 1 or 2 tiers below Gohan. Also there ability to work as a team would be at a peak. Gohan could potentially be the 4th or 5th most skilled now behind only Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Tien.

Gohan is in the middle. He is more skilled than Buu and the androids, but he's far inferior to everyone else.

[Booze Sama]

Some will be for fodder