Toei shouldn't have problem to retcon GT

[ekrolo2]

We have a female Broli type of character. I think Toei can bring SSj4 in Super somehow. I remember people was expecting Cabba to go SSj4 and introduce it as a new form in the show.

Now that the Dragon Room has this newfound influence, anything is possible. In fact, I expect them to bring SS4 in down the line.

Once Toriyama drops off the new stuff and Toei gets full-creative control, I expect a great many old stuff to start pouring back in. LSS is but the tip of a massive, Heroes-esque iceberg me thinks.

[TheMikado]

We have a female Broli type of character. I think Toei can bring SSj4 in Super somehow. I remember people was expecting Cabba to go SSj4 and introduce it as a new form in the show.

Now that the Dragon Room has this newfound influence, anything is possible. In fact, I expect them to bring SS4 in down the line.

Once Toriyama drops off the new stuff and Toei gets full-creative control, I expect a great many old stuff to start pouring back in. LSS is but the tip of a massive, Heroes-esque iceberg me thinks.

Exactly, except I think Toei has been steering the ship since the beginning. Just reading about the production of BoG makes me believe that's the case. The amount of fan service also leads me to believe that. Basically if there is a fan base for it that makes money it will be introduced and "canonized" at some point.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

We have a female Broli type of character. I think Toei can bring SSj4 in Super somehow. I remember people was expecting Cabba to go SSj4 and introduce it as a new form in the show.

Now that the Dragon Room has this newfound influence, anything is possible. In fact, I expect them to bring SS4 in down the line.

Once Toriyama drops off the new stuff and Toei gets full-creative control, I expect a great many old stuff to start pouring back in. LSS is but the tip of a massive, Heroes-esque iceberg me thinks.

They could easily make it happen even with Toriyama. After all, we know he corresponds with the DB Room, and they likely influenced him to include this Broly-type. There's no reason they couldn't do the same with other ideas. As long as they don't start directly contradicting shit left and right, I'm all for it.

[Kamiccolo9]

I mean, I'm fully expecting Super to end with Zeno or somebody pressing the reset button and reverting the cast back to their pre-BoG states. No issue with GT that didn't already exist before then.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I'm fully expecting Super to end with Zeno or somebody pressing the reset button and reverting the cast back to their pre-BoG states.

Why? Everything they've done so far (outside of a few little quirks) fits into the timeline just fine. There's no reason to think they'll backpedal on anything.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm fully expecting Super to end with Zeno or somebody pressing the reset button and reverting the cast back to their pre-BoG states.

Why? Everything they've done so far (outside of a few little quirks) fits into the timeline just fine. There's no reason to think they'll backpedal on anything.

To make fans' heads explode.

[Basaku]

Anyway, my point being is I've predicted they will somehow destroy this current timeline with Beerus since RoF. We now are presented with a storyline where 11 universes will be destroyed. I do not believe this is a narrative coincidence and sets the stage for what I believe will frustrate many hardcore canonists. They will make EoZ canon by retconting Goku meeting Beerus. Make EoZ canon and by extension GT.

Why would they ever do it like this? If anything, they will retcon GT and have something NEW in its place as a new show that will sell better etc. The only thing worthy from financial POV in GT is the SSJ4 design. Bring that back and the entire GT can fall into oblivion and get replaced with new adventures/shows/manga.

Once Toriyama drops off the new stuff and Toei gets full-creative control, I expect a great many old stuff to start pouring back in. LSS is but the tip of a massive, Heroes-esque iceberg me thinks.

Or simply keep Toriyama (since it's clearlt working for the better) while continuing to make "suggestions" to him about using this or that. He's not an idiot, he knows there's business side to this. I doubt he had any massive objections to using LSSJ design for Brola.

[ekrolo2]

Once Toriyama drops off the new stuff and Toei gets full-creative control, I expect a great many old stuff to start pouring back in. LSS is but the tip of a massive, Heroes-esque iceberg me thinks.

Or simply keep Toriyama (since it's clearlt working for the better) while continuing to make "suggestions" to him about using this or that. He's not an idiot, he knows there's business side to this. I doubt he had any massive objections to using LSSJ design for Brola.

Should Toriyama leave or go is something I'll reserve judgment on (but if Spirit Bomb Trunks is in the manga, he needs to leave).

[TheMikado]

Anyway, my point being is I've predicted they will somehow destroy this current timeline with Beerus since RoF. We now are presented with a storyline where 11 universes will be destroyed. I do not believe this is a narrative coincidence and sets the stage for what I believe will frustrate many hardcore canonists. They will make EoZ canon by retconting Goku meeting Beerus. Make EoZ canon and by extension GT.

Why would they ever do it like this? If anything, they will retcon GT and have something NEW in its place as a new show that will sell better etc. The only thing worthy from financial POV in GT is the SSJ4 design. Bring that back and the entire GT can fall into oblivion and get replaced with new adventures/shows/manga.

Once Toriyama drops off the new stuff and Toei gets full-creative control, I expect a great many old stuff to start pouring back in. LSS is but the tip of a massive, Heroes-esque iceberg me thinks.

Or simply keep Toriyama (since it's clearlt working for the better) while continuing to make "suggestions" to him about using this or that. He's not an idiot, he knows there's business side to this. I doubt he had any massive objections to using LSSJ design for Brola.

To answer your question GT was and still is one of their highest selling products short of Z. It was in even just recently in syndication on American TV Nicktoons from 2012-2015 nearly 20 years following its debut. Something the original Dragonball anime isn't even doing. They invest zero money and have a fully formed product in syndication right now.

They have just gotten to the point where a dubbed version of Super is playing on American TV. That said, as an executive they will need to determine that the cost of producing and overwriting GT is worth the cost of the free money it currently generates. If the English audience isn't wild about Super, they won't risk the viability of their free cash cow. It's just simple economics. They aren't going to overwrite it just because, it has to make financial success and the return on investment would have to outweigh the cash flow generated from GT which may be too high a risk to take given the mixed reception Super is getting.

[Basaku]

That said, as an executive they will need to determine that the cost of producing and overwriting GT is worth the cost of the free money it currently generates.

This has already been done, with much more popular Z. Kai, the "no cost" rehash of Z was not good enough for Toei, not generating enough profits despite extremly low costs and thus BOG/ROF/Super came about. You're heavily overemphasizing GT's financial importance. If even constant rehashing of Z wasn't good enough anymore, what makes you think GT is?

[TheMikado]

That said, as an executive they will need to determine that the cost of producing and overwriting GT is worth the cost of the free money it currently generates.

This has already been done, with much more popular Z. Kai, the "no cost" rehash of Z was not good enough for Toei, not generating enough profits despite extremly low costs and thus BOG/ROF/Super came about. You're heavily overemphasizing GT's financial importance. If even constant rehashing of Z wasn't good enough anymore, what makes you think GT is?

Where are you getting this concept of "anymore"????
Nothing they've produced has anything to do with replacing, its all in addition to. It's not a issue of it not cutting it anymore, it's a concept of wanting MORE money and to keep the Dragonball gravy train going. That's it. Reintroducing audiences to new material of an old product makes the older material viable again. It's no coincidence that GT started airing on Nicktoons after BoGs release. It's not a coincidence GT re-release have been in the past 10 years, a whole 10 years after it's initial release and still remains one of funimations biggest sellers even beating out original Dragonball and Z at one point. It's not a coincidence that It has been in syndication 20 years after its release internationally. The Regardless of how you feel personally about GT it still makes them money and is a viable product.

If they have a way to make as many products relevant as possible with no cost to them why wouldn't they do it? They're a business first. I'm not saying I know this will happen for sure but given the way the narrative it going in Super they could have easily wrap it up to make EoZ canon, preserve GT, and start somewhere else with more Dragonball media/series. Look, idk what's going to happen I'm just saying there is a perfectly plausible financial reason to keep GT regardless of what the internet myths have you believe. Was it as big as Z, absolutely not but it certainly beat out the original Dragonball anime internationally and in dollar amounts and if you consider the original a financial success then the same would hold true for Dragonball. It just wasn't as successful as GT as a follow up to Z and was disappointing in that regard.

[UltimateHammerBro]

I mean, I'm fully expecting Super to end with Zeno or somebody pressing the reset button and reverting the cast back to their pre-BoG states. No issue with GT that didn't already exist before then.

I actually agree with this. I think there'll be something like this at some point of the series.

All the events in Super make it hard for me to believe that the characters would peacefully go back to the status quo we saw in EoZ, but I don't think they'll actually retcon EoZ. Likewise, I don't think they're planning to retcon GT out loud, since it's giving Toei benefits even now. There's been a soft retcon in the form of details in Super which contradict GT (the Supreme Kai and Kibito being separate is the only one I can think about right now, but I recall noticing more of them) but nothing definite.

Some kind of retcon is the only way I see of keeping Super's events as having happened, while also not contradicting GT, thus maintaining EoZ as-is and leaving whether GT is canon or not to everyone's guess.

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This said, I expect Super to end in a timeskip and adapt EoZ, even if it's only in the form of flashforwards, then end at the same point the manga ended... only this time, they'd use the Kanzenban ending

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I mean, I'm fully expecting Super to end with Zeno or somebody pressing the reset button and reverting the cast back to their pre-BoG states. No issue with GT that didn't already exist before then.

There is literally no point. Super has been wildly more successful than GT doing that they're effectively getting rid of Super for GT who's only real marketability is SS4 so I think they will galdly officially forgoe GT.

[HeroR]

I mean, I'm fully expecting Super to end with Zeno or somebody pressing the reset button and reverting the cast back to their pre-BoG states. No issue with GT that didn't already exist before then.

I actually agree with this. I think there'll be something like this at some point of the series.

All the events in Super make it hard for me to believe that the characters would peacefully go back to the status quo we saw in EoZ, but I don't think they'll actually retcon EoZ. Likewise, I don't think they're planning to retcon GT out loud, since it's giving Toei benefits even now. There's been a soft retcon in the form of details in Super which contradict GT (the Supreme Kai and Kibito being separate is the only one I can think about right now, but I recall noticing more of them) but nothing definite.

Some kind of retcon is the only way I see of keeping Super's events as having happened, while also not contradicting GT, thus maintaining EoZ as-is and leaving whether GT is canon or not to everyone's guess.

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This said, I expect Super to end in a timeskip and adapt EoZ, even if it's only in the form of flashforwards, then end at the same point the manga ended... only this time, they'd use the Kanzenban ending

Hell works completely different in Super than GT. Freeza should be much stronger and have his golden form since his revival had nothing to do with the gods. In fact, he would be revived and murdered everyone since Whis wouldn't train Goku and Vegeta in this new reality. Pilaf Gang also have no reason to be old since Pilaf so no motive wishing for his age back.

I mean, I'm fully expecting Super to end with Zeno or somebody pressing the reset button and reverting the cast back to their pre-BoG states. No issue with GT that didn't already exist before then.

There is literally no point. Super has been wildly more successful than GT doing that they're effectively getting rid of Super for GT who's only real marketability is SS4 so I think they will galdly officially forgoe GT.

Plus, GT is even more disliked in Japan than it is internationally. They only like Super Saiyan 4 and some of the villains.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Plus, GT is even more disliked in Japan than it is internationally. They only like Super Saiyan 4 and some of the villains.

Not only that but after the colossal flop of the brand "Kai" to have a brand in "Super" that not only works but works really well, I think they'll want to hold on to it for a long time.

[HeroR]

Plus, GT is even more disliked in Japan than it is internationally. They only like Super Saiyan 4 and some of the villains.

Not only that but after the colossal flop of the brand "Kai" to have a brand in "Super" that not only works but works really well, I think they'll want to hold on to it for a long time.

In fairness, Kai was a rating smash, but a marketing flop since it was just Z abridge.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Plus, GT is even more disliked in Japan than it is internationally. They only like Super Saiyan 4 and some of the villains.

Not only that but after the colossal flop of the brand "Kai" to have a brand in "Super" that not only works but works really well, I think they'll want to hold on to it for a long time.

In fairness, Kai was a rating smash, but a marketing flop since it was just Z abridge.

I don't think that means as much since ratings seemed to be down a whole lot since then anyway. Kai's highest rated episode #47 (no surprise there) at 12.3% still never managed to beat the corresponding One Piece episode, 13%.

[HeroR]

I don't think that means as much since ratings seemed to be down a whole lot since then anyway. Kai's highest rated episode #47 (no surprise there) at 12.3% still never managed to beat the corresponding One Piece episode, 13%.

You can't compare the ratings from 2009 to today. Look at GT ratings for context.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I don't think that means as much since ratings seemed to be down a whole lot since then anyway. Kai's highest rated episode #47 (no surprise there) at 12.3% still never managed to beat the corresponding One Piece episode, 13%.

You can't compare the ratings from 2009 to today. Look at GT ratings for context.

I was comparing it to the OP episode that aired after #47 in 2010.

[HeroR]

I was comparing it to the OP episode that aired after #47 in 2010.

I meant in general tv ratings are going down thanks to DVR and the internet. So you can do a side-by-side ratings comparison from 2009-2011 to today. What you can do is look at rankings.