So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Booze Sama » Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:30 am

Kaioshin didn't know of Beerus and was panicking when he was blowing planets to smitherins, and now he's cursing him out on his inability to do his job?

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Kishido » Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:20 am

Not once it is said that the mortal level is just power.

We have intelligence, culture and such things as well.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by namekiansaiyan » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:17 am

It just means Universe 7 will have to get stronger with Toriyama actually making the non Saiyans stronger.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by supersaiyan1993 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:25 am

well the average is stronger. we still havent seen all of universe 6 fighters. the saiyans are still alive and that brolly girl most likely will be the strongest saiyan of u6. there might also be a some strong namakians and perhaps even a buu counter part. we might also have more members from frost/frieza race.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Kishido » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:27 am

Again mortal level =/= power level

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by HeroR » Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:48 am

Alee9977 wrote:The universe quality is not only power but also living quality, intelligence and many other factors incluiding power. Not everything is about power, and that's something very clear to see, just look at Zenos' expressions when watching the fights, that tells you they are not used to watch these things.

Also, U7 low quality makes sense, I mean, all the planets we saw and different races there are aren't really interesting, look at the primitive life the Nameks have.
This is assumption. No such thing have been stated what the mortal level is outside of Zen'o being impressed that low level mortals could give such a good fight.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:12 am

Booze Sama wrote:It makes you think what the hell happened in U9. I'd be interested to learn about characters who stopped their universe's equivalent of Buu.
There probably wasn't a universes equivalent, each universe is unique so just because one thing happened in one universe doesn't necessarily mean that the samething happened in another. Given the god hierarchy of U9 it's not surprising an indecisive GoD and an arrogant Kaioshin it's not particularly surprising their universe is complete crap.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Luso Saiyan » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:42 am

Cipher wrote:Not a single thing in the episode indicates the measurement is based on strength, and several lines of dialogue imply they're looking at other factors.
Oh, look: reason. Sadly it will get past by most.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Big Black Sayian » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:52 am

Maybe U6 Earth being destroyed bought the average up. :p

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Shinda Forever » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:04 am

namekiansaiyan wrote:It just means Universe 7 will have to get stronger with Toriyama actually making the non Saiyans stronger.
Totally correct which means the non saiyans will receive special training like Ro Kaioshin unlocking potential. It is the only way universe 7 can become more competitive overall otherwise they can lose early due to exhaustion.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by namekiansaiyan » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:13 pm

Luso Saiyan wrote:
Cipher wrote:Not a single thing in the episode indicates the measurement is based on strength, and several lines of dialogue imply they're looking at other factors.
Oh, look: reason. Sadly it will get past by most.
Whatever they lack they will have to improve to have a chance in winning the tournament. Power must at least be taken into consideration with this rating.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Booze Sama » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:56 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Booze Sama wrote:It makes you think what the hell happened in U9. I'd be interested to learn about characters who stopped their universe's equivalent of Buu.
There probably wasn't a universes equivalent, each universe is unique so just because one thing happened in one universe doesn't necessarily mean that the samething happened in another. Given the god hierarchy of U9 it's not surprising an indecisive GoD and an arrogant Kaioshin it's not particularly surprising their universe is complete crap.
No I mean, obviously they've had some villains. I'm not talking about whether it's the exact same as U7

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by GodKaio-Ken » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:06 pm

If they didn't mean power level average I don't understand why a martial arts tournament should decide it. Or why Zeno would be surprised with strong fighters from low level universes. Less quality of life would actually equal more fighting and potentially stronger people.
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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by julianix » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:19 pm

GodKaio-Ken wrote:If they didn't mean power level average I don't understand why a martial arts tournament should decide it. Or why Zeno would be surprised with strong fighters from low level universes. Less quality of life would actually equal more fighting and potentially stronger people.
Because when you're going to slaughter the weak and poor you make a spectacle out of it.

Universe 8 is a highly populated civilized universe so they are exempt.. univiverse 7 might be a Barron waste land full of trash.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by WittyUsername » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:48 pm

For the longest time, the strongest fighter Universe 7 had was Freeza, so Universe 7 being such a low ranking universe doesn't particularly surprise me.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by pacz360 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:13 pm

Kishido wrote:Again mortal level =/= power level
Power sure as hell plays into this the tournament is called the tournament of power while other things factor in the ranking power is sure as hell on of them.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Faisal Shourov » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:28 pm

There are barely 15-20 people in U7 who can bust planets (Goku, Beerus, Whis, Gohan, Buu, Vegeta, Android 18, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, Buu, Android 17, Frieza, Cell, Dabura, Tien etc). U6 has a planet full of Saiyans, and each and every one of them has potential to become super saiyan. Planet Sadal alone has more potential than entire Universe 7. So yeah, Universe 7 is weak as shit
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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:29 pm

Faisal Shourov wrote:There are barely 15-20 people in U7 who can bust planets (Goku, Beerus, Whis, Gohan, Buu, Vegeta, Android 18, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, Buu, Android 17, Frieza, Cell, Dabura, Tien etc). U6 has a planet full of Saiyans, and each and every one of them has potential to become super saiyan. Planet Sadal alone has more potential than entire Universe 7. So yeah, Universe 7 is weak as shit
When you put it that way U7 really does seem like garbage.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by Faisal Shourov » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:43 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Faisal Shourov wrote:There are barely 15-20 people in U7 who can bust planets (Goku, Beerus, Whis, Gohan, Buu, Vegeta, Android 18, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, Buu, Android 17, Frieza, Cell, Dabura, Tien etc). U6 has a planet full of Saiyans, and each and every one of them has potential to become super saiyan. Planet Sadal alone has more potential than entire Universe 7. So yeah, Universe 7 is weak as shit
When you put it that way U7 really does seem like garbage.
It is garbage. U7 has been piggybacking Goku and Vegeta for a long time now. Just imagine how many super saiyan gods could universe 6 get by the god ritual.
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Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.

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Re: So Champa's universe is stronger than Universe 7

Post by precita » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:51 pm

It's kind of ironic that Goku and Vegeta and their off-spring like Gohan/Trunks/Goten are the only reasons U6 has strong fighters.

Even Piccolo likely never reached SSJ2 level. There's nothing to suggest he would be able to beat Perfect Cell.

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