the 4 universes who dont participate are just an excuse for toei being lazy

[Jinzoningen MULE]

It was rather obvious some universes would be kept aside for more story material.

That's easy to say now, but I didn't see you or anyone else predicting it beforehand. Nevertheless, shortcuts were inevitable, and this was a good one.

Wait, isn't Zen-oh meant to be changing his mind about the erasing rule due to Bergamo's plea? If he does, then the four universes could re-enter for exhibition purposes.

It's just a tease. Spoilers say that Zeno will only remove the rule if Goku loses, but there's no way they'd ditch that rule when it's literally called "Universe Survival Saga". Expect Goku to beat Bogamo and look like a total dick.

It provides a new sort of theme to the tournament, as well. It has now become the "junk" universes fighting for their own existence.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I love this dynamic, it's the equivalent of making starving bums fight for a steak.

[Alee9977]

I really don't get how threads like this aren't closed immediatly, doesn't have any sense and I can't see how exluiding 4 universes from a tournament makes Toei lazy.

[Mazingerdestro]

I think people use the word "lazy" for others when they are too lazy to think of an excuse.

Toei wasn't lazy. They want to expand the series, not go all out and end it. As a result they will provide a great tournament and by stating that there are other universes possible more capable of the ones that fought here, imply a greater tournament in the future.

[pacz360]

Don't see any thing wrong with it. 120 characters seems to much anyway don't go all out save some for later.

[Ki Breaker]

I really don't get how threads like this aren't closed immediatly, doesn't have any sense and I can't see how exluiding 4 universes from a tournament makes Toei lazy.

It's best if it's not closed, all the ignorance is combined in one place instead of being scattered all over the important threads..

This is no way lazy in the slightest, it shouldn't be needing explanation, instead of going all out and wasting every universe it's awesome they are taking it slowly

[HeroR]

it also seems like toei are so in mad love with goku and vegeta that they dont wanna makes any stronger fighters then them

We know that literally the opposite of this is true considering that Hit is stronger than Goku and Vegeta in the anime.
If anyone was going to do that it would be Toyotaro but Toei? no

He isn't stronger. Hit is physically weaker than Goku and Vegeta. What puts him ahead is his ability.

[Hirovoid]

I think people use the word "lazy" for others when they are too lazy to think of an excuse.

Pretty much. The word "lazy" is misused so much in fandoms that it becomes hard to use it in serious critique.

[Analytical Delusion]

If they are never explored at any point, then I agree it would be disappointing.

Setting aside expectations though, in terms of raising the stakes in future arcs, saving the top universes makes the most sense. Otherwise, in terms of scale, what future plotlines wouldn't feel like a step down? I guess a rebellion against the Zenos/grand priest/potentially angels could make sense, but that's about it.

[gohan_black]

Wait, isn't Zen-oh meant to be changing his mind about the erasing rule due to Bergamo's plea? If he does, then the four universes could re-enter for exhibition purposes.

those are spoilers for upcoming episodes. thank you for ruining me

[TheMikado]

I can understand the disappointment, and it doesn't seem weird to state 12 universes and only have 8 participating when I'm pretty sure even Zen'o stated he wanted the tournament with all the universes. Further in universe it makes it strange because if AML reflects strength and Zen'os so concerned with seeing a good fight, why wouldn't you want to watch your strongest contenders to fight? I think in terms of the storyline it doesn't make much sense except to whittle down the characters a bit which would be a bit annoying.

[Big Black Sayian]

Funny enough 8 tournaments round it off to a perfect tournament bracket.

[Xeztin]

The 4 were definately saved for later story, they all had high human population. Imagine if Beerus never destroyed the Sayians. it seems these Gods of Destruction don't destroy just to destroy. I bet there are really strong races that'd had the chance to evolve unlike our universe because of Beerus

[LightBing]

The 4 were definately saved for later story, they all had high human population. Imagine if Beerus never destroyed the Sayians. it seems these Gods of Destruction don't destroy just to destroy. I bet there are really strong races that'd had the chance to evolve unlike our universe because of Beerus

I argue that Boo did more damage than Beerus, who sleeps more than he works. I would say that Boo/Babidi killing all the Kaioshins is the major factor for Universe 7 low score. Having an inexperienced, traumatized and possibly lacking teachings Kaioshin certainly hurt.

Regarding the thread itself, if anyone "fooled us" it was Mr.Toriyama and even then we don't know what the hell is going to happen with certainty. You're basically frustrated with a possibly scenario and you're lashing out. That isn't a reason to create a thread in my opinion, much less one where there's isn't even the minimal effort to use capitals.

[Low Tone G]

I can not believe that some people do not see what is the puspose of leaving 4 universes...
Maybe the are lazy, but they obviously aren't, cuz so many characters are boring to see them fight.

But if this arcs turns out to be a huge success wihch I predict will be, they could have the other universe at disposal for a future arc or even multiple arcs.

At this point, I don't really think Toriyama will completely leave the show, maybe he will write shorter arcs or even will funcion as a supervisor for Toei and Toyotaro, but now the stakes are too high.

I'm very impressed with this arc now, I coudn't really compare it with anything else in Super or even Z for he most part. The stakes are high like never before and not only that, but so far they handle the events spectaculously decent and they manage to build tense... the first 3 arcs are no worth mentioning in this regard.

[TheMathemagician]

it also seems like toei are so in mad love with goku and vegeta that they dont wanna makes any stronger fighters then them

We know that literally the opposite of this is true considering that Hit is stronger than Goku and Vegeta in the anime.
If anyone was going to do that it would be Toyotaro but Toei? no

He isn't stronger. Hit is physically weaker than Goku and Vegeta. What puts him ahead is his ability.

No in the anime Hit isn't physically weaker than Goku or Vegeta at all. But he definitely isn't stronger.

[HeroR]

He isn't stronger. Hit is physically weaker than Goku and Vegeta. What puts him ahead is his ability.

No in the anime Hit isn't physically weaker than Goku or Vegeta at all. But he definitely isn't stronger.[/quote]

He is physically weaker since Hit got overwhelmed by Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku the moment he figured out how to counter his Time-Skip. He only got ahead again after he improved it and it was noted that Hit's power didn't actually go up.

[Bullza]

This is actually a very good thing.

See when they revealed there were 12 universes, I like many fans were excited by the potential of the new adventures, worlds and enemies that could come with it.

I was concerned about this saga that by the end of it Universe 7 would win and all the other universes would be destroyed at which point all that potential is gone because all we'd have got out of it was two tournaments and Zamasu. There's not particularly much they could do afterward which had myself and some others wondering if this could be the end.

However no, what this now means is that by the end of this saga Universe 7 will win and the other 7 Universes will be destroyed but there's still another four 4 universes left, strong universes at that. So all that potential still remains.

[FoolsGil]

Sure, I'll go with the writer's being lazy.

And to anyone who wants to bring up that it's unlikely the series will show 120 fighters. You're right and you're wrong: We only need to see 40 and all 12 universes can still fight.

A tournament of 12 teams is like if the Tenkaichi Budokai opened its final matches from 8 to 12: Some folks would end up fighting 4 matches not 3, and as we follow U7, they'd be one of the ones having to fight an extra universe. So, forty opponents from 4 universes. Easy.

[YajirobiTheGreat]

Also it's rather obvious the 4 best universes are also being saved for future story arcs. I don't know why anyone expected them to "blow their load" all at once. It was rather obvious some universes would be kept aside for more story material.

I don't get the logic of this thread.

Yep. If anything, this is the opposite if lazy since it extends the show.

I personally wish they went even further excluded an additional four universes, so it was just 3, 6, 7, 9. That would still give us 22 new fighters. I think even eight Universes might be biting off more than the writers can chew and take away too much potential future stories and tournaments as it is. No way can they do much to develop many of 62 new fighters.