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Dragon Ball continuing I can see, but with Toriyama's contribution to the story? Probably not. He'll probably let Toyotaro/Toei/DBR(Dragon Ball Room) do their thing. He'd just be happy that Dragon Ball can go on going for years on end.
Dragon Ball Super is published as being written by Toriyama, I think that when Toriyama will stop writing stories they will create a new Dragon Ball serie.
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Chuquita wrote:I have disappointingly low expectations for this arc; how disengaged I am fluctuates based on the most recent episodes I've seen.
Something just feels off about this arc. It feels like Toriyama isn't as involved with it as he was with the last 2 movies and arcs. Him not giving any comment for it adds to that feeling I have.
The last 2 arcs (especially Black's) got me interested from the very start but that's not the case with this one. It's taking awhile to really get started but if this is how the whole arc is going to be then we're in for a very broing ride.
That's right, we never did get a comment from him this arc. That is strange.
I'm hanging on the best I can, but I'm not invested in this arc. I had no idea where the Zamasu arc was going in the beginning with the mystery surrounding Gokû Black. Here I feel like I can see what the ending will be a mile away. There's nothing fun for me to theorize about.
Then I wonder if Toriyama is really all that attached to this arc other than contributing character designs (even then, in that department, most of the designs are either PARTIALLY done by him or by Toyotaro). Toyotaro mentioned that he would be sending Toei information for the Universal Survival arc, so maybe this arc is more akin to Toyotaro's vision? I don't know.
Dragon Ball continuing I can see, but with Toriyama's contribution to the story? Probably not. He'll probably let Toyotaro/Toei/DBR(Dragon Ball Room) do their thing. He'd just be happy that Dragon Ball can go on going for years on end.
Well, he already doesn't do much, right? He just writes some lines about what he wants Toei/Toyotaro do, and it's done. Probably, he wasn't responsable for any of those new characters' designs. Maybe, only Jiran and the gods of destruction. I really doubt he would make 70 new character all by himself.
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Trickster wrote:Probably, he wasn't resposable for any of those new characters' designs. Maybe, only Jiran and the gods of destruction. I really doubt he would make 70 new character all by himself.
It was revealed what designs he worked on awhile ago, though. Who designed Jiren has been unspecified.
I assume by have to, you mean either the show stops making money? Stopping a story only after it's been run into the ground is a bad idea. Hopefully they can still create a satisfying ending.
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ABED wrote:Stopping a story only after it's been run into the ground is a bad idea.
I also don't think it's a good idea but that's what happens when something turns into a big franchise.
I think Toriyama's stories will lead to EOZ then he'll just stop there and Toei will just continue until it stops making $$$.
I don't think it should end just to say it ended cause if there are good stories that can be told then they should be but if they're out of ideas then they should stop, for awhile at least until they can think of new stories.
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ABED wrote:Stopping a story only after it's been run into the ground is a bad idea.
I also don't think it's a good idea but that's what happens when something turns into a big franchise.
I think Toriyama's stories will lead to EOZ then he'll just stop there and Toei will just continue until it stops making $$$.
I don't think it should end just to say it ended cause if there are good stories that can be told then they should be but if they're out of ideas then they should stop, for awhile at least until they can think of new stories.
But it's not. I know there's plenty of precident for it, but not every successful series or movie keeps going until it runs out of steam or the cash stops flowing in. There are almost always good stories to tell, but sometimes it's best to end things and end them well. Logan is a perfect example. Granted, Hugh is getting up there in age and finds it harder to get into Wolverine shape, but he probably had a few films left in him, but he left on a great note. I'm not even a big fan of revivals. Rarely are they done well. Sometimes time has passed and the magic is gone.
They keep expanding the DB world, but it feels like more of the same. First there's Kami, then there's a god above him then there are 3 others like Kaio-sama, and they are overseen by someone who is overseen by someone who is overseen by someone. It turns out there are multiple other universes with similar hierarchies who are overseen by someone. I enjoy Burn Notice and the organization that had the main character burned as a spy has a hierarchy, but it knew not to have a guy behind the guy who's behind the guy who's behind the guy who is behind the guy who created the organization that had Michael burned. At a certain point, it's no longer world building, it's simply repetitive.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
mfwlegend3 wrote:Then I wonder if Toriyama is really all that attached to this arc other than contributing character designs (even then, in that department, most of the designs are either PARTIALLY done by him or by Toyotaro). Toyotaro mentioned that he would be sending Toei information for the Universal Survival arc, so maybe this arc is more akin to Toyotaro's vision? I don't know.
I think Toriyama definitely is still involved since Toyo talked about how this arc had a typical Toriyama twist, it's just for some reason they haven't released any comments by him, it might just be they wanted to avoid spoilers and we are all over thinking this! I did make a thread on the DBS sub forum as to why I think it's his last involvement piecing together numerous evidence but it still remains to be seen.
ABED wrote:I assume by have to, you mean either the show stops making money? Stopping a story only after it's been run into the ground is a bad idea. Hopefully they can still create a satisfying ending.
But that's the problem Super wasn't made for creative purposes in the first place it was made for milking.
I see the series lasting another 3-5 years. It all really depends on how well organised this new "Dragon Ball Room" is when it comes to expanding and telling new stories when Toriyama call it quits on the franchise again.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Chuquita wrote:I'm definitely tired of all the hierarchy stuff. I wish we'd get another arc with a villain.
We may get one. I think U7 will win and Goku will probably be allow to wish back one Universe. Maybe U6 since Goku seems to be found of Hit and Cabba. Maybe a villain from U1, U5, U8 and U12 because those universes are not getting destroyed.
I think Super is going to last a lot longer than you guys think. The show/merch is making way too much money for them to kill it even after 2-3 years. TOEI never intended to revive the series just for a few years to let it die again.
I swear we'll be in the year 2022 and people will be saying, "Is Super going to end now?"
precita wrote:I think Super is going to last a lot longer than you guys think. The show/merch is making way too much money for them to kill it even after 2-3 years. TOEI never intended to revive the series just for a few years to let it die again.
I swear we'll be in the year 2022 and people will be saying, "Is Super going to end now?"
The likes of Bandai have been clamouring for a new series for some time too, after GT and Kai flops it seems, Super being so successful it is only logic that they are gonna milk it for all it's worth. We haven't even got any Super related movies or specials, it is just starting out. I'd be incredibly shocked if it ended after this arc.
Selfishly, i'd like it to go on indefinitely, just because its new material in the Dragonball universe. I know that's ridiculous, but it is my selfish hope haha. But honestly, I see them either continuing until they reach the End of Z point, or possibly even going past that- and if they do, I haven't a clue what they'll do with it.
Chuquita wrote:Jiren? Yeah he doesn't do a single thing for me, adversary-wise.
They haven't revealed all 70 of them yet so maybe there's someone among them I'll be interested to watch.
Gokû Black was so amazing and incredible of a bad guy I really can't see them topping him anytime soon.
I can't even remember his name so that should give you an idea about how interesting I think he is.
If the main villain is anything to go by then you shouldn't expect much out of the others.
I just want someone who's not so uninteresting that I don't remember his/her name.
I mean, he hasn't even appeared on the show yet. I'm not really much a fan of his design or the whole Pride Troopers stuff (what we've seen at least) but I don't know how you can declare someone uninteresting before he even shows up.
