Power Gap Between Goku & Others Closing...Not Good for DBS?

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Re: Power Gap Between Goku & Others Closing...Not Good for DBS?

Post by KingKaash » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:17 pm

Whatever wrote: For what its worth Brianne was included in the magazine as a fighter to look out for along with Jirren,for all we know she may been hiding some form or ability that makes her par on with ssjb,something like her equivalent of kaioken or time leap,or she may be holding like how toppo seemed inferior to ssjb goku because he was holding back.
Brianne aside as i said some characters most likely will have some abilities that make then on par with ssjb even if they are weaker.

Like Bergamo for example,if he plays his cards right he can gather enough strength to even surpass ssjb kaiokenx10 goku(i know that won't happen in the tournament but its possible he can do that in theory).

Or they can go for it the lazy way and have kaulifla achieve ssjb lol.
I have my reservations about Brianne being on a God tier because getting to a God tier is no simple matter. Now of course that seems contradictory to my main point of there being 5 fighters on a God tier for U7 but that's my point is that this gap closing for U7 characters may ruin the tournament since others aren't going to just easily get that. To me, Brianne will follow Magetta's path and push an SSJ Vegeta far but will lose quickly if Vegeta uses any higher strength. Of course I'm purely speculating. But if I want to play devil's advocate, then let's say Brianne can hang with the likes of Vegetas or Android 17s.

Also, Bergamo will get beat quick I bet. Goku knows his technique and will probably stay in his base form to eliminate Bergamo so Bergamo doesn't get any stronger. And I have high doubts Caulifla reaches SSJB. It'd be cool if she got her own form but not SSJB
Lionel wrote:You want rationality in these power jumps? Make a cohesive streamlined sequence of events whereby such increases would hold some quantifiable merit. They could have written Tenshinhan, Krillin, and Roshi as having requested to be trained by Whis. Somehow they acquire God Ki (it isn't exclusive to just Saiyans) and from there on out the flood gates have been opened for them to once again make inroads within the upper echelon of fighters. Also, maybe having them actually learn some of these invaluable techniques that help amplify their power like the Kaioken could help. Seriously, it's one of the longest, most tensely discussed hypothetical scenarios for allowing the humans to remain relevant and apparently this concept has never clicked in the minds of anyone at the studio for some reason. It wouldn't make sense for them to be trading blows with SSJB Goku or Vegeta, true, but being able to hold their own against SSJ2 using God Ki empowered Kaioken x20 (post-Whis training) doesn't sound unreasonable.
I wasn't talking about the humans...I was talking specifically about Gohan, Android 17 and Golden Frieza getting power boosts and making Universe 7 a superteam
JigSaw910 wrote: the problem with this is toei spent far too long on goku being in ssj2 fighting gohan. with that being said gohan also started to toss goku around in ssj2 and stood his ground with blue(how short it might be). To end this debate i personally see gohan getting stronger throughout the fight. He could of been on goku ssj2 level at the beginning, but untapped more of his potential as the fight went on...like his father does. Their are many evidences that back up my claim but I'm going to just wait until he fights someone worthwhile in the tournament. i have a feeling he will be the last one left along with vegeta
I agree with all of this. Gohan is near SSJB level already and will only further close the gap on Goku as the tournament progresses. Not completely catch up to him and definitely not surpass him. But close the gap. At least I hope that happens for Gohan since he's my favorite character.

Still though it makes it that much tougher on the rest of the other Universes to have worthy fighters to match that kind of power level
"Gohan, let it go. It is not a sin to fight for the right cause. There are those who words alone will not reach. Cell is such a being. I know how you feel Gohan, you are gentle, you do not like to hurt. I know because I too have learned these feelings. But it is because you cherish life that you must protect it. Please drop your restraints. Protect the life I once loved. You have the strength, my scanners sensed it..." -Android 16

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Re: Power Gap Between Goku & Others Closing...Not Good for DBS?

Post by Zagacious » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:37 pm

gofishus wrote:
Zagacious wrote:We definitely want other side characters to be relevant, like Piccolo,Gohan, and even some of the humans, but their relevance and the way they become relevant power-wise needs to make sense. It'd be a terrible thing to have Goku just be way overpowering everyone all the time like he was in DBZ, but it's a worse thing to have the power levels and results of peoples' training not make any sense at all. For example, Krillin is shown struggling fighting against regular humans, they made it seem like he regressed back to being weaker than he was even before DBZ, and then suddenly he is sparring with SSB Goku after a couple days of training. Now everyone knows he was holding back, but still these kind of choices can make things like power impossible to judge, and for a series that revolves mostly around fighting and getting stronger it's not good if we can't get at least a general idea of someone's abilities/skills in relation to another, or the feeling of 'improving' or 'surpassing' their own power doesn't have any sort of reward or feeling behind it beyond confusion.

Now for the new characters, it's not surprising a few of them are around SS3 level or a little beyond, but SSB power should be a rarity. The reason being it's unlikely that there would really be that many beings strong enough to blow up planets. If there was, there would be so much destruction that it seems unlikely they would develop technologically or even civilized at all if you have beings who are essentially stronger than Frieza was in Namek saga just walking around everywhere. Part of this is due to power creep. This is their universe and anything can happen, but to me it just doesn't make sense to have that many planet buster level people just walking around casually.
Planet busting isn't a god tier skill. Heck even Nappa and Vegeta were able to bust planets at the beginning of DBZ
I didn't say anything about it being god tier, but it was likely exaggerated as the entire point of that filler was to show how strong they were in comparison to Earth fighters. I said it doesn't make much sense for beings that can blow up planets to be common, because the type of warfare that would result wouldn't leave much planets behind and probably destroy their own civilizations as well if the power was too common. Even using the example you gave it's not that common, at the time in the series Vegeta and Nappa were some of the strongest of their races.

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